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Leftist Activists Demand New York Museum Remove Teddy Roosevelt Statue

Phys251 said:
Do they have the right to make this demand? Not to actually take the statue down, but to simply demand that the city take it down?
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Doesn't matter. The totalitarian left will force them to comply with their demands.
 
DamnYankee said:
Doesn't matter. The totalitarian left will force them to comply with their demands.
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That's a dodge. Since you chose to address my post, I want a yes-or-no answer from you: Yes or no, do these people have the right to demand that the statues will come down? Yes or no.
 
Phys251 said:
That's a dodge. Since you chose to address my post, I want a yes-or-no answer from you: Yes or no, do these people have the right to demand that the statues will come down? Yes or no.
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It doesn't matter if they have the "right" to ask demand.

1. Demanding is not asking.
2. Your question is irrelevant to the point that they are demanding such. Your question is irrelevant as being a deflection to what was being pointed out.
3. You are not entitled to have irrelevant questions answered, let alone any question.
 
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Excon said:
It doesn't matter if they have the "right" to ask demand.
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It matters 100%. Just because they disagree with your ideology does not mean they have fewer rights than you do.

1. Demanding is not asking.
2. Your question is irrelevant to the point that they are now demanding such. Your question is irrelevant as being a deflection to what was being pointed out.
3. You are not entitled to have irrelevant questions answered, let alone any question.
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These infantile deflections are dismissed. Now answer my question. Yes or no, do these people have the right to demand that the statues will come down? Yes or no.
 
Phys251 said:
It matters 100%. Just because they disagree with your ideology does not mean they have fewer rights than you do.
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No.
You are still not getting it.
It does not matter if they have the right ot ask or not, it is the fact that they demanded it be removed that is the issue. Not whether they have the right ot do so or not.


Phys251 said:
These infantile deflections are dismissed.
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Yes, I agree. Your irrelevant deflection was infantile.


Phys251 said:
Now answer my question. Yes or no, do these people have the right to demand that the statues will come down? Yes or no.
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:lamo
And again. Pay attention this time.

Your question is irrelevant to the point that they are now demanding such.
Your question is irrelevant as being a deflection to what was being pointed out.
You are not entitled to have irrelevant questions answered, let alone any question. ​
 
Excon said:
No.
You are still not getting it.
It does not matter if they have the right ot ask or not, it is the fact that they demanded it be removed that is the issue. Not whether they have the right ot do so or not.
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First of all, learn to spell the simple word "to." Second, your repeated dodging suggests that you do not believe that these petitioners are entitled to their First Amendment rights. Do you? The jury is still deliberating on that question.

Yes, I agree. Your irrelevant deflection was infantile.

:lamo
And again. Pay attention this time.

Your question is irrelevant to the point that they are now demanding such.
Your question is irrelevant as being a deflection to what was being pointed out.
You are not entitled to have irrelevant questions answered, let alone any question. ​
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100% irrelevant and will not be addressed. The whole issue surrounding these monuments and these marches has been "free speech," has it not? Well then, let's see what the rest of the very same amendment that protects free speech has to say for these petitioners:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I question whether you support the right highlighted in bold. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. I have no way of knowing either way yet, because you won't answer a very. Simple. Question. :shrug:
 
What has begun is the spamming of this forum with stories of statue protests.

Do you have any idea how long people have been protesting statues of controversial historical figures?

Why don't you just ask the liberals here what they think about Teddy Roosevelt statues?

I'm liberal and Black and I don't care about Teddy Roosevelt. Everyone was racists back then. I do care about statues of confederates because they fought against my freedom. You don't care because it wasn't your freedom at stake.

The one president who is so vile that he shouldn't be honored is Andrew Jackson...but maybe Donald J. Trump will be the second.

And removing statues is not erasing history. There are museums and books. Statues are people from the past that we honor today. We don't honor the Confederacy today.
 
Considering the web site immediately starts complaining about 'social Justice Warriors', why do you think it's a good source for facts?
 
Excon said:
Not that it matters to the stupidity of those trying to remove the statue, but you realize that was back in in 2016, right?
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They used a Tweet Pic is from a protest last Columbus Day, the article is about a 200 person protest 8-14-17.
 
Phys251 said:
First of all, learn to spell the simple word "to."
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Typical nonsense.
Nothing indicates I do not know who to spell the word to, too or even two.
Next time if you want to acknowledge a typo just include [sic] when you quote it. Duh!


Phys251 said:
Second, your repeated dodging ...
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Pointing out that your question is irrelevant is not dodging.
You asking the irrelevant question to begin with is.



Phys251 said:
... suggests that you do not believe that these petitioners are entitled to their First Amendment rights.
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Nonsensical speculative bs used to dodge your being wrong in asking the question in the first place.


Phys251 said:
100% irrelevant and will not be addressed.
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Exactly why your question will not be addressed other than to point out it is irrelevant.
At least you understand the concept.


Phys251 said:
The whole issue surrounding these monuments and these marches has been "free speech," has it not? Well then, let's see what the rest of the very same amendment that protects free speech has to say for these petitioners:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I question whether you support the right highlighted in bold. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. I have no way of knowing either way yet, because you won't answer a very. Simple. Question. :shrug:
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And you still do not get it.
Again.
It does not matter if they have the right ot ask or not, it is the fact that they demanded it be removed that is the issue. Not whether they have the right ot[SUP][sic][/SUP] do so or not.​

If you can not get that straight there is no point to any further until you do.
 
RAMOSS said:
Considering the web site immediately starts complaining about 'social Justice Warriors', why do you think it's a good source for facts?
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even Snopes confirmed it, although they made a lame attempt to muddy by pointing out irrelevancy that it's not the exact same Leftist organization wanting the Confederate Statues removed.
 
Casca XV said:
They used a Tweet Pic is from a protest last Columbus Day, the article is about a 200 person protest 8-14-17.
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Correction, they didn't just use a Tweet Pic, they used a Tweet as supporting material of the protest. A Tweet from 2016, and an article from the Guardian from 2016.
The protest was in Oct 2016.
 
Phys251 said:
That's a dodge. Since you chose to address my post, I want a yes-or-no answer from you: Yes or no, do these people have the right to demand that the statues will come down? Yes or no.
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No the dodge and distraction is your #2 post a distinction with out a difference.
 
Casca XV said:
even Snopes confirmed it, although they made a lame attempt to muddy by pointing out irrelevancy that it's not the exact same Leftist organization wanting the Confederate Statues removed.
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After looking it up, it is , pointed out that the informatino is 'out dated', and was actualy in october of last year, not in response to the whole confederate issue at all. So, there is a lot of misinformation and spin given.

It's known as 'lying'/
 
Phys251 said:
Do they have the right to make this demand? Not to actually take the statue down, but to simply demand that the city take it down?
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They have the right to ask for its removal. They have the right to PEACEfully assemble and protest the statue if they so desire. They have the right to petition the locality for an election or run candidates to council if that's how their city works to decide its fate. But no I dont think they do not have a right to demand its removal. It may all come down to hair splitting on the definition of "demand"
 
RAMOSS said:
After looking it up, it is , pointed out that the informatino is 'out dated', and was actualy in october of last year, not in response to the whole confederate issue at all. So, there is a lot of misinformation and spin given.

It's known as 'lying'/
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Nice try: leftist wanting Teddy Roosevelt statue remove is not a lie. Neither is CNN Reporters wanting all Washington and Jefferson Statues removed

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...atues/&usg=AFQjCNEfBdvnR58Osvyzi-HbDrcZJsxXPw

Lets not leave out the Pasture organizing demonstrations in Chicago to do the same

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...e-geo/&usg=AFQjCNGKGJfn46TEPFQcFPWGLH3zYh6eZQ
 
Phys251 said:
Do they have the right to make this demand? Not to actually take the statue down, but to simply demand that the city take it down?
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They nor does anyone have the right to demand anything. They are free to ask and make a persuasive argument to convince others. This nonsense of demanding things or else is something that needs to stop.

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Phys251 said:
First of all, learn to spell the simple word "to." Second, your repeated dodging suggests that you do not believe that these petitioners are entitled to their First Amendment rights. Do you? The jury is still deliberating on that question.



100% irrelevant and will not be addressed. The whole issue surrounding these monuments and these marches has been "free speech," has it not? Well then, let's see what the rest of the very same amendment that protects free speech has to say for these petitioners:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I question whether you support the right highlighted in bold. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. I have no way of knowing either way yet, because you won't answer a very. Simple. Question. :shrug:
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I question if you understand the limitation to the right of free speech that I highlighted.


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SonOfDaedalus said:
What has begun is the spamming of this forum with stories of statue protests.

Do you have any idea how long people have been protesting statues of controversial historical figures?

Why don't you just ask the liberals here what they think about Teddy Roosevelt statues?

I'm liberal and Black and I don't care about Teddy Roosevelt. Everyone was racists back then. I do care about statues of confederates because they fought against my freedom. You don't care because it wasn't your freedom at stake.

The one president who is so vile that he shouldn't be honored is Andrew Jackson...but maybe Donald J. Trump will be the second.

And removing statues is not erasing history. There are museums and books. Statues are people from the past that we honor today. We don't honor the Confederacy today.
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I respect this post. You have every right to feel as you do and ask the statues be removed. I support you on this as well and join you in requesting they be removed out of respect to you and others like you.

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Phys251 said:
That's a dodge. Since you chose to address my post, I want a yes-or-no answer from you: Yes or no, do these people have the right to demand that the statues will come down? Yes or no.
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You "want?" Who are you to demand anything? That's the problem with you leftist, you think you are owed something for nothing. As I said, it doesn't matter if they have a right or not, they will force others to comply with their demands. What do you think now?
 
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