Left = Us, Right = Me

[Buckeyes85]

Also much more humble as well.

In my experience, folks on the left/progressive side of the spectrum have a much higher opinion of themselves than conservatives.

Maybe the higher opinion of themselves is well founded?

Assume the premise of this thread is fairly accurate- if there are 2 people that in most respects seem very similar; person one thinks of their own best interests obviously, but also has concerns for the wellbeing of others; person 2 thinks only of themselves. I would clearly have a higher opinion of person 1.

 

[Buckeyes85]

That’s just human nature. And the opposite could happen as well.

Thinking of your own best interests first is human nature.
That is not the same as thinking only of your own best interests.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Most conservatives. Fixed yours.

The conservatives who actually do care about other people are definitely in the minority considering no conservative policies reflect it.

Agree, most.

 

[jpn]

Plenty of lefties took a right turn when leftist stuff hit them personally. Your bias is showing.

And righties took a left turn when they turned to the ACA for health insurance.
Or they took advantage of lower prescription drug prices thanks to Democrats.
Or they ate healthy food, breathed clean air, and worked in safe conditions thanks to Democrats and unions.
Or they enjoyed a better wage due to Democrats efforts to increase the minimum wage in various states and locals.
Or they enjoy expanded child care benefits thanks to Democrats.
Or they have access to rural hospitals due the Democrats' ACA.
Bias? Or appreciation of reality?

 

[Hari Seldon]

And righties took a left turn when they turned to the ACA for health insurance.
Or they took advantage of lower prescription drug prices thanks to Democrats.
Or they ate healthy food, breathed clean air, and worked in safe conditions thanks to Democrats and unions.
Or they enjoyed a better wage due to Democrats efforts to increase the minimum wage in various states and locals.
Or they enjoy expanded child care benefits thanks to Democrats.
Or they have access to rural hospitals due the Democrats' ACA.
Bias? Or appreciation of reality?

Let's not forget social security and Medicare.

 

[jpn]

Let's not forget social security and Medicare.

And these days, support for democracy itself.

 

[Hari Seldon]

And these days, support for democracy itself.

It still kills me remembering the Bush supporter in a wheel chair screaming about government interference with his Medicare.

 

[jpn]

Most conservatives. Fixed yours.
The conservatives who actually do care about other people are definitely in the minority considering no conservative policies reflect it.

Well, to be fair, most conservatives do seem to be terribly concerned about the "high taxes" of the rich and regulations on the powerful.

Trump tells billionaires he'll keep their taxes low at $50 million fundraising gala

President Joe Biden released a video Saturday hitting Trump for promising to extend the 2017 tax cuts.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[jpn]

Oh yeah, and a woman's right to choose.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

“We” is just “Me” with extra steps.

 

[Questerr]

Well, to be fair, most conservatives do seem to be terribly concerned about the "high taxes" of the rich and regulations on the powerful.

Trump tells billionaires he'll keep their taxes low at $50 million fundraising gala

President Joe Biden released a video Saturday hitting Trump for promising to extend the 2017 tax cuts.

www.nbcnews.com

Because they think deep down if they work hard enough they too will be rich and powerful.

 

[Zyphlin]

I think in general this is a fair generalization in terms of “us” and “me”, but not necessarily fair with the inherently slanted take being presented on that.

Both a COLLECTIVE mindset and a INDIVIDUAL mindset...which is a more fair way of painting us versus me…have positive and negative aspects. However, not surprisingly, those preferring one tends to only paint the positives for theirs and the negative for the other.

Also, neither us or me tends to be exclusive. Me for instance often includes an element of “us”, focused around family and close friends. While Us tends to have an element of me, in that it often excludes those that are seen as lesser / wrong.

I think the push and pull between the collective concern and the individualistic concern is a great thing and part of what our system works. Too much control given to the collective and you lose autonomy and agency. Too control given to the individual and you lose security and community. You need a healthy mix, a push and pull, to strike a balance.

 

[eman623]

It works the other way too.

You know the old saw about a conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged.

A conservative is also a liberal who just paid 50+% of his income in taxes.

A conservative is also a liberal who had to wear a mask to enter a restaurant only to take it off once he got to his table, only to have to put it back on to go to the bathroom.

A conservative is also a liberal who almost lost his career because he decided against getting a vaccine that doesn't prevent Covid and only kills 1 in 1000 of people under 50.

A conservative is also a liberal who has had his bike stolen out of his garage by a homeless addict living in a tent at the local park.

A conservative is also a liberal who is a minority and is tired of being kept on a liberal plantation.

 

[Geoist]

And righties took a left turn when they turned to the ACA for health insurance.
Or they took advantage of lower prescription drug prices thanks to Democrats.
Or they ate healthy food, breathed clean air, and worked in safe conditions thanks to Democrats and unions.
Or they enjoyed a better wage due to Democrats efforts to increase the minimum wage in various states and locals.
Or they enjoy expanded child care benefits thanks to Democrats.
Or they have access to rural hospitals due the Democrats' ACA.
Bias? Or appreciation of reality?

Plenty of GOP reps have no problem taking credit for the very bills they voted against. Absolutely no shame.

 

[holbritter]

Thinking of your own best interests first is human nature.
That is not the same as thinking only of your own best interests.

I'm aware. How you do you know they were thinking of ONY their best interest? The examples given do not support that.

 

[Hari Seldon]

It works the other way too.

You know the old saw about a conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged.

A conservative is also a liberal who just paid 50+% of his income in taxes.

A conservative is also a liberal who had to wear a mask to enter a restaurant only to take it off once he got to his table, only to have to put it back on to go to the bathroom.

A conservative is also a liberal who almost lost his career because he decided against getting a vaccine that doesn't prevent Covid and only kills 1 in 1000 of people under 50.

A conservative is also a liberal who has had his bike stolen out of his garage by a homeless addict living in a tent at the local park.

A conservative is also a liberal who is a minority and is tired of being kept on a liberal plantation.

What nonsense. Poor conservative victims.

 

[jpn]

Because they think deep down if they work hard enough they too will be rich and powerful.

Or, they think the only reason they aren't rich and powerful is because of liberals, the deep state, and dark-skinned people.

 

[jpn]

It works the other way too.

A liberal is a conservative whose child turns out gay.
A liberal is anyone who needed an abortion and almost died and now can't have children thanks to conservatives.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Agree or disagree with this political cartoon?

Shouldn't surprise anyone that I agree. I have seen too many anecdotal examples with conservative friends and family who only take liberal/leftwing positions once it's something that affects them:

Wife's family became anti-war once her sister joined the Army.

My brother became pro legal weed once he started smoking it.

Parents softened on gay rights when they learned their best friend was gay.

My aunt became pro-gay marriage once she learned her daughter was gay (but tbf, the rest of the extended family did not hesitate to tell her she's going to hell for her perversion).

Family stopped being pro-police when my brother was wrongfully charged by some corrupt cops.

Wife's family softened on criminal justice when a family member was charged with murder.

Turns out conservatives do sometimes have empathy for others... as long as they know them personally.

So-called 'left-wing' AUTHORITARIANS want use 'government' force/coercion to ram their generally miserable, stoooooooopid, etc., ideas down everyone's throat as much/more than so-called 'right-wing' AUTHORITARIANS.

To facilitate this they maintain a lack of transparency, outright secrecy, misinfo, etc. which apparently is ok with many Republicrat-level 'left/right' AUTHORITARIANS. ugh..

 

[eman623]

What nonsense. Poor conservative victims.

LOL. You mean liberal victims.

 

[jpn]

While Democrats reduce the price of insulin for seniors, here's what Republicans in Florida are doing:

More than 22K children dropped from Florida KidCare in 2024 as state challenges federal eligibility protections​

In a move that some have called “egregious,” Florida since January has dropped more than 22,000 children from a subsidized health insurance program for failing to pay premiums despite the federal government saying it cannot.​

​

 

[Hello My Son]

Agree or disagree with this political cartoon?

Shouldn't surprise anyone that I agree. I have seen too many anecdotal examples with conservative friends and family who only take liberal/leftwing positions once it's something that affects them:

Wife's family became anti-war once her sister joined the Army.

My brother became pro legal weed once he started smoking it.

Parents softened on gay rights when they learned their best friend was gay.

My aunt became pro-gay marriage once she learned her daughter was gay (but tbf, the rest of the extended family did not hesitate to tell her she's going to hell for her perversion).

Family stopped being pro-police when my brother was wrongfully charged by some corrupt cops.

Wife's family softened on criminal justice when a family member was charged with murder.

Turns out conservatives do sometimes have empathy for others... as long as they know them personally.

That's pretty much how everyone is on topics of debate, whether personal experience drives them more to the right or more to the left.

Also, there isn't much difference between having a mental process of "us versus them" and "me versus them." Often, the results end up similarly segregated and with massive amounts of people unwilling to consider opposing perspectives. Closed-mindedness can be anti-intellectual in many circumstances no matter who's engaging in it.

 

[jpn]

So-called 'left-wing' AUTHORITARIANS want use 'government' force/coercion to ram their generally miserable, stoooooooopid, etc., ideas down everyone's throat as much/more than so-called 'right-wing' AUTHORITARIANS

Meanwhile, Republicans are doing the Lord's work:

 

[jpn]

That's pretty much how everyone is on topics of debate, whether personal experience drives them more to the right or more to the left.

Also, there isn't much difference between having a mental process of "us versus them" and "me versus them." Often, the results end up similarly segregated and with massive amounts of people unwilling to consider opposing perspectives. Closed-mindedness can be anti-intellectual in many circumstances no matter who's engaging in it.

Comparing policy preferences leaves Democrats looking pretty damn good. See my posts above.

Republican policies are generally unpopular, so they distract their voters with fake culture wars.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

A conservative is also a liberal who just paid 50+% of his income in taxes.

Hi$tory hath shewn that the/?your stinking 'conservative' Republicans are just as responsible as the stinking 'liberal' Democrats for the government $pending that drives taxes, government bond issuance, 'inflation', etc.... ugh...