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Leaked chart by Politico shows winners and losers in California's redistricting. Wow.

Lord of Planar said:
Agreed, but we were speaking of congressional districts which are indirectly based on the bias from the average growth.
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That may be what you're talking about, but I was specifically addressing this:

JMB1911A1 said:
Not yet. But Texas is on track to gain 4 seats in 2030 as well as FL. CA and the blue states are losing population.
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This was true for a few years, but no longer the case.

My gripe with the Census Bureau is in how they define metro/micropolitan areas in Northern Nevada. The designations made sense when they were created. Not so much today. Carson City, an independent city, is its own metro area. Douglas County as well as Lyon County are micropolitan areas. Decades ago, there were miles of undeveloped land between Reno-Sparks and Carson City as well as between Carson City and Minden/Gardnerville in Douglas County. Fernley in Lyon County is separated from Sparks by the Virginia Range.

Today, (sub)urban sprawl has connected each into one metropolis. Fernley is still disconnected by undevelopable mountain terrain, but it has grown into a bedroom community. As well, the Bureau does not cross the state line. Truckee (separated by the Sierra) is another bedroom community of Reno, but it is included in Sacramento's metro area. Incline Village at Lake Tahoe is included in Reno's metro area, but Kings Beach across the state line is not.

That's my gripe with the Bureau. Lol. The actual population of the Reno/Tahoe area is about 750,000, which you'd never figure out if unfamiliar with the region.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Considering the already heavily gerrymandered states by the Dems:

IL: 43% voted for Trump, only 3 of 17 Representatives are GOP (17%)
MA: 36% voted for Trump, No Reps are GOP, all 9 are Dems (0%)
NY: 43% voted for Trump, only 7/26 Reps are GOP (26%)
CA: 38% voter for Trump, only 9 or 52 Reps are GOP (17%)

The Texas gerrymandering is just for the GOP stay even, and the Dems scream bloody murder. Go figure.
Apparently in the Dem's view, only Dems should be permitted to gerrymander.
Such an entitlement attitude. Such hubris.

So we are seeing CA which is already a single party state, becoming even more so a single party state.

Democrats claim to what to take 'the California model nation wide', clearly, they want a single party nation.

And, or course, any push back against that is 'just racist'. :rolleyes:
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Not true. See my post 105 and subsequent response to Luther. There are red states just as bad. If you look at the total votes for dems and reps in congress in the last election, the current makeup of congress is pretty close to right. If Texas redistricts, however, that’ll throw it out of whack, so California will have to redistrict to compensate.
 
eohrnberger said:
Considering the already heavily gerrymandered states by the Dems:

IL: 43% voted for Trump, only 3 of 17 Representatives are GOP (17%)
MA: 36% voted for Trump, No Reps are GOP, all 9 are Dems (0%)
NY: 43% voted for Trump, only 7/26 Reps are GOP (26%)
CA: 38% voter for Trump, only 9 or 52 Reps are GOP (17%)
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And Arizona: Harris received 46.7% of the vote from this state, but 3 out of the 9 (33.33%) Reps from this state are Dems. However, it doesn't mean that Arizona is a "heavily gerrymandered" state. Both Arizona and California have an independent commission that draws district boundaries.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
You do realize that there are more registered democrats in Texas than there are Republicans, right?
independentvoterproject.org

Texas Voter Registration Statistics

Learn more about Texas's Partisan primaries, partisan voter registration statistics, current voter totals, political parties, and more from the Independent Voter Project.
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Since you don’t need to register by party to vote in TX, even primaries, that statistic has been proved to be bullshit.

So, any Conservative who voted in the Dem primary to ensure that the vegetable Biden was on the ticket is counted a Democrat by this form.

Heck, if there are so many Democrats in TX, why are you so worried about the districts?
 
mrjurrs said:
Fascists gonna be fascists, don't ever try to claim Texans are more American than Californians.
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How is it fascist? Gerrymandering has been happening since the nations founding. It is your argument that its only fascist when republicans do it? Or do you have no real argument
 
venice_ca said:
What? Non sequitur. And what slogans?

Newsom’s view of immigrants is well within the mainstream of California Democrats, and others.

Are you aware that LAPD Chief Daryl Gates — no one’s idea of a bleeding heart — was the first to institute the policy of not asking immigration status of residents? Special Order 40 implemented in 1979. Gates wanted crime to be reported, and fear of LAPD cooperation with La Migra was keeping immigrant communities from contacting the police.

Immigrants — millions of them — are Californians. They’re from Asia, Latin America, Europe, Africa, and California is their home. No one wants violent criminals in the streets, but they are a small minority within immigrant communities. The CA GOP fails to attract voters due to their anti immigrant rhetoric, and generally painting with an extremely broad brush. It’s as if they are purposely ignorant that California’s population is minority dominant.
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LOL. "mainstream of lliberal Californians". Loonies love company. 🤣
 
Gatsby said:
Do you support banning ALL gerrymandering, or only when Democrats do it?
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Nope, I support a fair, bipartisan process
Gatsby said:
Do you support banning ALL gerrymandering, or only when Democrats do it?
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Well they are the originator and acknowledged experts at the art, but, I support the current system in use here in California - a bi-partisan commission.
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Gatsby said:
Yes. This is what should happen. I don't know if it will, but that remains to be seen.
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No, I think, like California, states should have bipartisan commissions that handle drawing precincts
 
CaughtInThe said:
I'm here for it. Wipe the floor with the cheating republicans/magas.
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And as anyone would and should expect, the Republicans come out of the woodwork to bitch and moan about the turnabout that's fair play and the gerrymandering they pioneered and initiated. Partisan districting that suppresses political representation is perfectly fine for them, an organic outgrowth of the republic, an expression of its rules as intended and American as apple pie, but 'childish' and of course, an utter affront to democracy when Democrats do it; rules for thee, but not for me.

GOP, hypocrisy is thy name.

As ever, their accusations remain confessions.
 
Bullseye said:
No, I think, like California, states should have bipartisan commissions that handle drawing precincts
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I agree, that would be the best approach. But it needs to be a federal agreement rather than state-by-state, or else we're left with the situation where a few Democratic or swing states have bipartisan or independent map-drawers out of an interest in good governance or practical necessity, whereas virtually no Republican states ever will.

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Gatsby said:
I agree, that would be the best approach. But it needs to be a federal agreement rather than state-by-state, or else we're left with the situation where a few Democratic or swing states have bipartisan or independent map-drawers out of an interest in good governance or practical necessity, whereas virtually no Republican states ever will.

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I disagree; it's a state privilege and duty.
 
Bullseye said:
I disagree; it's a state privilege and duty.
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Oh. So what you really want is for California to have a bipartisan commission and for Texas to have a hyperpartisan gerrymander. Seems fair. 🤡

I hope California hits Republicans as hard as they can, because of shit like this. You don't actually want bipartisan commissions, you want them exclusively when and where they benefit you. Republicans are not going to learn anything until they are made to feel a lot of political pain.
 
Gatsby said:
Oh. So what you really want is for California to have a bipartisan commission and for Texas to have a hyperpartisan gerrymander. Seems fair. 🤡

I hope California hits Republicans as hard as they can, because of shit like this. You don't actually want bipartisan commissions, you want them exclusively when and where they benefit you. Republicans are not going to learn anything until they are made to feel a lot of political pain.
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First off, don't try to tell me what I want or don't want. I want the states to exercise their constitutional duties rather than another Federal FIAT
 
Bullseye said:
First off, don't try to tell me what I want or don't want. I want the states to exercise their constitutional duties rather than another Federal FIAT
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You want that because it would give the failing GOP an edge.

However, all of the nation doesn't necessarily want that, so Dems are responding accordingly. 😀
 
EnchantedMuggle said:
You want that because it would give the failing GOP an edge.
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Nope, I want it because it's the Constitutional way
EnchantedMuggle said:
However, all of the nation doesn't necessarily want that, so Dems are responding accordingly. 😀
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Except what I'm advocating gives each state the freedom to establish their own process. Kinda like it says in the Constitution.
 
Let me be a little cleare. This is what I want:

In the Bill of Rights, the Tenth Amendment stands apart. Unlike other amendments that protect specific rights like freedom of speech or religion, it clarifies the very nature of the American system of government.

The amendment is the constitutional foundation of state power—the principle that underpins the authority of the government closest to the people.

As ratified on December 15, 1791, the text reads: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

This declaration is the source of your state’s authority to govern most aspects of your daily life. It establishes federalism, the American system of dividing and sharing power between a national government and individual state governments.
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