Leah Remini to tackle Jehovah's Witnesses (1 Viewer)

[What if...?]

Well still the best way to find out about someone's religion is to talk to them about their religion if you don't want to find out about it then don't.

I have and from what I've learned, Sherman had it about right as to religion, not spirituality.

 

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Well, that could be the reason right there that you're not a JW today...lol...

Nah. Hypocrisy and ignorance and base human nature were my reasons.

The elders were not behaving consistent with the idea of god they had taught me.

 

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You sure don't remember much now, do ya? It certainly is your run of the mill souls, as you call it...

Going to hell?

Not anywhere that I remember.

Dying for good, yes.

But the lake of fire? Only for those I mentioned.

 

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You are a lost soul, aren't you?

You just don't like to think about how much of a dick your god is.

Got an excuse for the bear incident?

 

[What if...?]

if someone believes the Earth is flat then yes mock them



First Amendment says you can't.

Doesn't stop them trying.

Which is why vigilance is necessary.

 

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You were a Jehovah's Witness?

Yup..

 

[CLAX1911]

He left at 10 for cryin out loud...what does a 10 year old know?

every parent should remove their child from that organization they cover up child molestation. Good for his parents.

Probably a lot of his anger stems from his parents who evidently had much more influence over him for a much longer period of time......

and not for the backwards screwball religion he was part of...sure.

 

[CLAX1911]

Doesn't stop them trying.

yes it does. Try and make a law forcing people to respect the establishment of a religion and see how fast the Supreme Court knocks it down.

Which is why vigilance is necessary.

I think it is important to stand by the First Amendment as well

 

[CLAX1911]

Yup..

Well I'm glad you got out. It seems to be very detrimental to the people who participate.

 

[What if...?]

Were you "put on trial"?

No. I confronted the elders over the disfellowshipment of the most loving and spiritual couple in the congregation for taking a human serum drug. I challenged the whole drug transfusion thing and the fact That the elders did it because the couple weren't elders but everybody in the congregation turned to them for guidance and the elders didn't like the challenge to their power.

I left them in a huff and never went back.

My mom didn't like it knew me well enough to let it go. I went toe to toe with adults, successfully, quite often.

They were all a little gun-shy.

 

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And now he is merely an angry atheist...

Not at all.

I believe the universe is an artefact. That something far more amazing than our phisical existence is going on.

I just can't attribute the woundrous universe we live in with the asshole you worship.

If he exists at all he's just claiming responsibility for some other entitie's work.

 

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Man has free will. God has not taken that from him.

If god is timeless man only has a perfect illusion of free will.

Nothing he could do would be unknown to jahweh at the moment of creation.

Pass/fail would be at the moment "let there be light" was uttered.

If every choice is known at the moment of creation, all actions are known to that creator and there is no true free will.

Only the illusion of it.

 

[RAMOSS]

And the blood transfusion thing is clearly a dietary restriction.

Disfellowshipping the most loving, spiritual couple in the congregation because the wife had to take a human serum drug or die that led to me abandoning the jw's.

(It was also clearly because while neither was an elder the congregation regularly looked to the for guidance and the elders didn't like it. They did NOT like being called on it by a ten year old.)

There is a principle in Judaism called "Pikuach nefesh". When the life of an specific person is at stake, almost all the "commands to do not" ( mitzvah lo ta'aseh) are inapplicable.

 

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He left at 10 for cryin out loud...what does a 10 year old know? Probably a lot of his anger stems from his parents who evidently had much more influence over him for a much longer period of time......

You don't know me. I was reading and comprehending at a high school level in second grade.

Lots of adults came at me from positions similar to yours and got their asses handed to them. I corrected teachers with evidence more than once.

The elders were not behaving in a way consistent with the idea of god they were teaching. I called them on it, defended my position, and when they dismissed me out of hand, I left. They made no effort to refute my points.

 

[veritas1]

If god is timeless man only has a perfect illusion of free will.

Nothing he could do would be unknown to jahweh at the moment of creation.

Pass/fail would be at the moment "let there be light" was uttered.

If every choice is known at the moment of creation, all actions are known to that creator and there is no true free will.

Only the illusion of it.

I'm not dismissing that possibility. It is a position held by some people. However, anyone capable at arriving at that conclusion should also be capable of making the proper decision about salvation, correct? If he doesn't believe in the possibility of salvation then what he thinks about God or free will ultimately doesn't matter.

 

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And that is a flat out lie, among many others you've told here mainly about God...

How do they get around the oath?

You're not supposed to take oaths, right?

Nothing besides jahweh, right?

I was in California. Here's the California firefighters oath:

​I so solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.

No way is that OK if the pledge of allegiance or anthem are forbidden.

Even the traditional "fireman's oath" is an oath to "god", not "Jehovah" and therefore forbidden.

Maybe they don't do an oath where you live, some places don't.

But the oath here in California would have precluded being a paramedic and a Witness.

 

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every parent should remove their child from that organization they cover up child molestation. Good for his parents.

and not for the backwards screwball religion he was part of...sure.

My parents had nothing to do with it. My dad wasn't a.member, and was in the navy and not around much.

My mother was appalled.

 

[What if...?]

yes it does. Try and make a law forcing people to respect the establishment of a religion and see how fast the Supreme Court knocks it down.

I think it is important to stand by the First Amendment as well

They don't try to establish the religion, just shape laws congruent with it.

So men with guns will discourage straying.

 

[What if...?]

I'm not dismissing that possibility. It is a position held by some people. However, anyone capable at arriving at that conclusion should also be capable of making the proper decision about salvation, correct? If he doesn't believe in the possibility of salvation then what he thinks about God or free will ultimately doesn't matter.

I don't think we're in jeopardy in the first place.

Reincarnation models make more sense.

You can't "perfect" a would in one lifetime.

Why would any entity want a bunch of average, single lived persons hanging around forever?

 

[What if...?]

I'm not dismissing that possibility. It is a position held by some people. However, anyone capable at arriving at that conclusion should also be capable of making the proper decision about salvation, correct? If he doesn't believe in the possibility of salvation then what he thinks about God or free will ultimately doesn't matter.

Whether we actually have free will is a common philosophical subject.

Doesn't require "salvation" as an element of the debate.

 

[veritas1]

Whether we actually have free will is a common philosophical subject.

Doesn't require "salvation" as an element of the debate.

Yes, but you asked about why you should be created at all if God knows you're going to hell. Avoiding hell is what salvation is all about.

 

[CLAX1911]

My parents had nothing to do with it. My dad wasn't a.member, and was in the navy and not around much.

My mother was appalled.

So your mother and father created you tell the either had sex out of wedlock or your mom married a non Jehovah's Witness. Either one of those things would have gotten them disfellowshipped

 

[CLAX1911]

They don't try to establish the religion, just shape laws congruent with it.

So men with guns will discourage straying.

Like laws against the murderer or theft?

 

[Sweden]

Oh, so you have evidence that the laws of physics always existed? The Big Bang suggests that the universe didn't always exist so why should physics? What was here before the universe and why should physics exist outside the universe? Can you answer any of those questions? The laws of physics are the way they must be but that doesn't answer the question of how they got that way or when. You have assumed, a priori, that God doesn't exist and then reached your conclusions based on that premise. However, your assumption is not a provable fact, it is only an assumption. IF God exists, then He can certainly direct "physics" to do whatever it is He pleases. Intellectual honesty should at least lead you to acknowledge that.

'Intellectual honesty'? From a believer in magic? Really? Just the usual tedious logic chopping.

 

[What if...?]

Yes, but you asked about why you should be created at all if God knows you're going to hell. Avoiding hell is what salvation is all about.

He must know at the moment of creation if he is not bound by time.

Doesn't matter what YOU think you're doing.

He knows already.

Nobody is actually "saved", there is no actual test.

Pass/fail at the moment of creation or jahweh doesn't have the power attributed to him. IS bound by time.

Nothing but an illusion of free will. Everything pre-determined from His perspective.