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Lead in gasoline tied to over 150 million excess cases of mental health disorders, study suggests

Gosh. Ya think so?
Not the first time I've been taken in. Quite a few years ago
there was an April 1st Article about releasing polar bears in
Antarctica in order to save them from extinction. But then
Bill Gates wants to block the sun with dust. Forbes.
 
Not the first time I've been taken in. Quite a few years ago
there was an April 1st Article about releasing polar bears in
Antarctica in order to save them from extinction. But then
Bill Gates wants to block the sun with dust. Forbes.
Funny, I've seen you get taken in on a regular basis.
 
Wow, lead is a toxic poison with all kinds of nasty effects on the human body. Leaded gasoline was a massive disaster, be thankful they removed it.

That explains why we have so many retarded leftists today.

Leaded gasoline was banned for new cars starting model year 1975. Leaded gas was still available for older cars until 1992 in California, and other states followed.

In 1970, president Nixon signed The Clean Air Act which outlawed lead in paint use, starting 1974. Paint used in federal projects had than ban imposed in 1971. Remember, there was a paint concern also.

Lead was used for decades before its health effects were recognized in the 60's, and look at how slow government was to respond.
 
Sadly, lead in gasoline most affected the most densely populated areas of the country. Exactly where we find Democrat strongholds today. That lead is some nasssssty stuff!
Yep. The atmospheric concentration makes a difference. Probably why most densely populated areas are blue, while most less populated areas are red.

I never thought of that "why are democrats so stupid" connection until this thread.

Thank-you Beefheart.
 
I recall when they first introduced unleaded gas in the 70s. Stupid people lost their minds. You'd think the world was coming to an end. Still, it took us and the automobile industry 20 years to complete the conversion.
There were legitimate concerns at the time about automotive performance, and the public at large did not understand the reasons. TEL was used as an anti-knock agent. Without it, engines could not get the came power.

My first car that required unleaded gasoline was rated at 160 HP, but used a 350 CID (5.7 liter) engine. Previously, such an engine could achieve over 300 HP easily, and almost 400 HP in factory stock muscle cars with exhaust, cam, and fuel injection. Between the unleaded gasoline and old technology catalytic converters, so much power possibilities were gone.

I was in the Army, and in 1986 my new assignment was Germany. I picked up a 1977 Firebird Esprit with the optional V8 engine. At the time, Germany was still using leafed gasoline and this car was made for unleaded. It was standard protocol to remove the catalytic converters, because leaded gasoline would destroy them. This car, factory stock 160 HP rated would run like a raped ape! Without the catalytic converter and using leaded gas, it would hit over 170 MPH on the autobahn. It wasn't until better computer control and a standardized gasoline formulation, that we can achieve good high performance internal combustion engines again with unleaded gas.

350 CID "R" code engine. 4 core radiator, Rochester quadrajet, duel exhaust. 2.41 rear axle. Turbohydromatic 350 transmission. 4,000 RPM at the driveshaft was 150 MPH. I forgot which tires I was buying for it, but they were good sticky tires, and I was replacing theme every year. I wanted to maintain control at those speeds and paid for "Z" rated tires. They were not 40,000 mile tires.

I lived off base in Gaertigen, stationed at Patch Barracks in Viahingen. My average commute speed was around 130 MPH.
 
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Democrats now need to focus their environmental agenda on the most dangerous environmental problem facing humanity today and push for all industrial releases have a pH of zero. Or less.
I never heard of this idea before.

Please elaborate.
 
Same here. I thought it was done away with in late 80s or so.
There was a difference between car model years being banned of using unleaded gasoline, and when unleaded gasoline was no longer available.

1974 for car model years in the USA.

1992 unleaded was no longer available in California.

1996 for the rest of the nation. Most the world by 2000.

I lived through these times. I had to refresh my memory by looking things up, so I did.
 
🤣😂🤣

Definitely less.

You’ve got a real future as Trumps nominee to head the NSF.
Why less? Please explain. A pH of zero is neutral. Less than zero (negative) is acidic. More than zero (positive) is alkaline.
 
So a large chunk of people who grew up smoking cigarettes and being exposed to lead gasoline is probably the largest block of people who vote.
We still have acceptable toxins in out foods. When is that going to stop?
 
This explains the whole Trump phenomenon!
Except lead in the atmosphere would vary by population density. The greater the density, the greater the lead. The greater populated areas correspond to democrats. The lesser dense areas are generally republican.

See how badly it has affected your intelligence?
 
A pH of zero? Your grade in 11th grade chemistry must have been zero or
you didn't take 11th grade chemistry or any chemistry at any grade level.

pH Wikipedia
pH for dummies
What is pH?

Hmmm, maybe you were being sarcastic. Eye Roll (@@)
My first though was the lead poisoning and easily indoctrinated.

I wonder now, does lead in the head make it easier to be indoctrinated?

My years during this peak lead problem, was living in a rural area rather than a city. maybe that is one reason I lean right, instead of retarded left. Less lead poisoning than most the US population for my time.

I never lived in a densely populated area until 1992.
 
There were legitimate concerns at the time about automotive performance, and the public at large did not understand the reasons. TEL was used as an anti-knock agent. Without it, engines could not get the came power.

My first car that required unleaded gasoline was rated at 160 HP, but used a 350 CID (5.7 liter) engine. Previously, such an engine could achieve over 300 HP easily, and almost 400 HP in factory stock muscle cars with exhaust, cam, and fuel injection. Between the unleaded gasoline and old technology catalytic converters, so much power possibilities were gone.

I was in the Army, and in 1986 my new assignment was Germany. I picked up a 1977 Firebird Esprit with the optional V8 engine. At the time, Germany was still using leafed gasoline and this car was made for unleaded. It was standard protocol to remove the catalytic converters, because leaded gasoline would destroy them. This car, factory stock 160 HP rated would run like a raped ape! Without the catalytic converter and using leaded gas, it would hit over 170 MPH on the autobahn. It wasn't until better computer control and a standardized gasoline formulation, that we can achieve good high performance internal combustion engines again with unleaded gas.

350 CID "R" code engine. 4 core radiator, Rochester quadrajet, duel exhaust. 2.41 rear axle. Turbohydromatic 350 transmission. 4,000 RPM at the driveshaft was 150 MPH. I forgot which tires I was buying for it, but they were good sticky tires, and I was replacing theme every year. I wanted to maintain control at those speeds and paid for "Z" rated tires. They were not 40,000 mile tires.

I lived off base in Gaertigen, stationed at Patch Barracks in Viahingen. My average commute speed was around 130 MPH.
Leaded and unleaded gasoline had little to do with decreasing horsepower over the years. I was once very interested in the 351 Cleveland engine, and searched for the horsepower ratings over the years. (we didn't have internet then, data was difficult to find) Horsepower was lost, year after year, due to engineering decisions, most of which were unrelated to fuel. Pollution concerns were the biggest factor, just as anti-pollution stole horsepower from GM, Mopar, and every other engine manufacturer. High compression engines were decompressed, from ratios of 11:1 down to 8:1 to reduce pollution, and they all lost power as a result.

Note, I have not claimed that unleaded had no effect on horsepower. I am only saying that a lot of other things had greater effects. Today, ethanol has a much greater effect on horsepower and fuel mileage than the switch from leaded gasoline had.
 
Leaded and unleaded gasoline had little to do with decreasing horsepower over the years. I was once very interested in the 351 Cleveland engine, and searched for the horsepower ratings over the years. (we didn't have internet then, data was difficult to find) Horsepower was lost, year after year, due to engineering decisions, most of which were unrelated to fuel. Pollution concerns were the biggest factor, just as anti-pollution stole horsepower from GM, Mopar, and every other engine manufacturer. High compression engines were decompressed, from ratios of 11:1 down to 8:1 to reduce pollution, and they all lost power as a result.
The engineering decisions were based on replacing lead as an anti-knock, and having to use catalytic converters to reduce emissions. Early catalytic converters were restrictive of exhaust flow and reduced power output, except for really expensive ones for the time.
Note, I have not claimed that unleaded had no effect on horsepower. I am only saying that a lot of other things had greater effects. Today, ethanol has a much greater effect on horsepower and fuel mileage than the switch from leaded gasoline had.
Ethanol actually has little effect on horsepower. A 10% mix produces 96% the power of 100% gasoline by volume, but ethanol burns cooler and allows for slightly greater compression. Top fueler run 100% ethanol for more power.

The grade of gasoline use to make a difference for power for two reasons. Not only do you need higher octane rating for higher compression, but the hydrocarbon mixes were also different between gasoline grades before they were all standardized. Higher octane gasoline used to also have more power per unit than regular. Now they are equal.
 
There were legitimate concerns at the time about automotive performance, and the public at large did not understand the reasons. TEL was used as an anti-knock agent. Without it, engines could not get the came power.

My first car that required unleaded gasoline was rated at 160 HP, but used a 350 CID (5.7 liter) engine. Previously, such an engine could achieve over 300 HP easily, and almost 400 HP in factory stock muscle cars with exhaust, cam, and fuel injection. Between the unleaded gasoline and old technology catalytic converters, so much power possibilities were gone.

I was in the Army, and in 1986 my new assignment was Germany. I picked up a 1977 Firebird Esprit with the optional V8 engine. At the time, Germany was still using leafed gasoline and this car was made for unleaded. It was standard protocol to remove the catalytic converters, because leaded gasoline would destroy them. This car, factory stock 160 HP rated would run like a raped ape! Without the catalytic converter and using leaded gas, it would hit over 170 MPH on the autobahn. It wasn't until better computer control and a standardized gasoline formulation, that we can achieve good high performance internal combustion engines again with unleaded gas.

350 CID "R" code engine. 4 core radiator, Rochester quadrajet, duel exhaust. 2.41 rear axle. Turbohydromatic 350 transmission. 4,000 RPM at the driveshaft was 150 MPH. I forgot which tires I was buying for it, but they were good sticky tires, and I was replacing theme every year. I wanted to maintain control at those speeds and paid for "Z" rated tires. They were not 40,000 mile tires.

I lived off base in Gaertigen, stationed at Patch Barracks in Viahingen. My average commute speed was around 130 MPH.

I call bullshit on the +170mph Firebird.
 
I call bullshit on the +170mph Firebird.
Most people do. You do not understand the engineering of cars.

2.41 rear axle with the torque between 4k and 5k RPM to do it.

Do you understand power, torque, speed, etc?
 
Most people do. You do not understand the engineering of cars.

2.41 rear axle with the torque between 4k and 5k RPM to do it.

Do you understand power, torque, speed, etc?

How long did it take for that 8:1 compression smog dog to arrive at +170mph with those 2.41 gears?

How strong was the tailwind? 😆
 
How long did it take for that 8:1 compression smog dog to arrive at +170mph with those 2.41 gears?

How strong was the tailwind? 😆
It did not get there quickly. Remember, it had no catalytic converter on it restricting the exhaust flow. It was removed for its trip to Germany because at the time, they didn't have unleaded gasoline. It had a Rochester Quadraject, and when those secondaries opened....

What other fake, self proclaimed auto experts tell me, is that it did not have the "rocket" engine in it. But it did. Factory stock.

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I was the Bandit of the Autobahn. Remember "Smokey and the bandit?" Same body car, different rear axle ratio.

 
Leaded gas adversely affected a lot of people. I have some of the symptoms.
 
At the time, GM used three different 350 engines. The Oldsmobile 350 was the most oversquere design of the four and also has the big valves and the largest intake cross section of the four. It had weak torque at the lower RPMs but it started breathing well at and beyond 3,000 RPM. the driveshaft was only turning about 4,500 RPM for 170 MPH. The engine was a little over 5,500 RPM.
 
It did not get there quickly. Remember, it had no catalytic converter on it restricting the exhaust flow. It was removed for its trip to Germany because at the time, they didn't have unleaded gasoline. It had a Rochester Quadraject, and when those secondaries opened....

What other fake, self proclaimed auto experts tell me, is that it did not have the "rocket" engine in it. But it did. Factory stock.

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I was the Bandit of the Autobahn. Remember "Smokey and the bandit?" Same body car, different rear axle ratio.



Which also wouldn't do 170 mph. I don't GAS that Oldsmobile called their engines "Rockets". Your Firebird didn't magically go over 170 mph just because you removed the catalytic converter.
 
Which also wouldn't do 170 mph. I don't GAS that Oldsmobile called their engines "Rockets". Your Firebird didn't magically go over 170 mph just because you removed the catalytic converter.
It was a combination of available torque, and the rear gear ratio.

I take it you failed physics. It was the Esprit. It came with a different gear ratio than the Formulas and Trans Ams.

I know what I had, I know what it would do.
 
It was a combination of available torque, and the rear gear ratio.

I take it you failed physics. It was the Esprit. It came with a different gear ratio than the Formulas and Trans Ams.

I know what I had, I know what it would do.

😆 The Esprit was basically a cosmetic and interior package. Developed to appeal to the feminine demographic more than the T/A, according to some.

The torque was anemic. I guess if you put that little 10 bolt rear end in a Trans Am and take off its cat, you could expect to see north of 200 mph! Hell, if your Esprit had a manual transmission, maybe it would achieve that! 😆

I think it is you who doesn't understand that cars don't operate in a vacuum, and simplistic calculations of rpm and rear axle ratio don't translate well to operation in a more dense atmosphere. Within that simplistic calculation, a four cylinder Pinto would perform exactly the same as your Firebird. I saw some calculations that a 77 Esprit was theoretically capable of 170 kilometers per hour, when accounting for weight and air resistance. Such speed theoretically achievable after a little over 10 minutes of WOT operation. Personally, I think it might have done a bit better than that, but 170 mph just by removing the cat is out of the question.

How did you determine that remarkable car achieved over 170 mph?
 
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😆 The Esprit was basically a cosmetic and interior package. Developed to appeal to the feminine demographic more than the T/A, according to some.
Yes, it was the nicer interior package.
I guess if you put that little 10 bolt rear end in a Trans Am and take off its cat, you could expect to see north of 200 mph! Hell, if your Esprit had a manual transmission, maybe it would achieve that! 😆
I doubt it.
I think it is you who doesn't understand that cars don't operate in a vacuum, and simplistic calculations of rpm and rear axle ratio don't translate well to operation in a more dense atmosphere. Within that simplistic calculation, a four cylinder Pinto would perform exactly the same as your Firebird. I saw some calculations that a 77 Esprit was theoretically capable of 170 kilometers per hour, when accounting for weight and air resistance. Such speed theoretically achievable after a little over 10 minutes of WOT operation. Personally, I think it might have done a bit better than that, but 170 mph just by removing the cat is out of the question.
Why are you being foolish?
How did you determine that remarkable car achieved over 170 mph?
By how fast I could go past other cars made by German standards that had a ignition cutoff at 250 KPH. I drove that car for six years there. Only passed twice at full speed.

This thing would go faster than the BMW 750 iL when it came out. it would go faster than just about everything.

I can understand you questing my words, but I know what I had. I know what it would do.

You obviously are ignorant to physics. Stop calling me a liar, because that is what you are doing.
 
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