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I think this bill has a much better chance of being passed than Feinstein's bill.

"New Jersey Sen. Frank Lautenberg and New York Rep. Carolyn McCarthy said Tuesday that they have introduced companion bills to ban high-capacity magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition."

"It is clearer than ever that there is no place in our communities for military-style supersized magazines like those used inside Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Aurora, and in Tucson, and I will keep working to reinstate the ban on them," said Mr. Lautenberg.

His bill has attracted 16 Democratic co-sponsors, including Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, who is planning to roll out a ban on military-style, so-called assault weapons on Thursday. He first introduced the bill in 2011 after a deranged gunman killed six people and wounded 13 others, including former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, at a Tucson shopping center.


Ms. McCarthy, a Democrat from New York, called high-capacity magazines "the common thread in every mass shooting in recent history." Her husband was killed in a shooting spree on the Long Island Rail Road in 1993."


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"The legislation would simply reintroduce the prohibition of high-capacity magazines that existed under the federal Assault Weapons Ban from 1994 to 2004."

"Former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney have expressed support for reinstating the ban on high-capacity magazines in the past, and polls show that 65 percent of Americans support such a ban."

Frank Lautenberg High-Capacity Magazine Ban Introduced On First Day Of Senate Session


 
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You know as well as I do that most semi-automatic handguns hold at least ten rounds. Who do you think you're fooling? Bush doesn't support banning handguns, which this would do. So your claims are bull****.
 

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There are such things as revolvers, and if I recall correctly the magnum is a popular revolver
 

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Ms. McCarthy, a Democrat from New York, called high-capacity magazines "the common thread in every mass shooting in recent history." Her husband was killed in a shooting spree on the Long Island Rail Road in 1993."
  1. 30rnd is not high-capacity, it's standard. High-capacity = 60/100rnd mags, which is why the CO theater shooter's rifle kept jamming, allowing people to escape during the assault.
  2. The CT shooter had ammunition left over. He didn't stop because he ran out of ammunition, he stopped because he accomplished his goal.
  3. Columbine was carried out using AWB-compliant 10rnd mags. 18 of them. Over 130 rounds were fired before the shooters killed themselves. When you limit the mag size, perps simply bring more mags.
  4. All of these mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.
  5. All of these mass shooters were taking SSRIs.
  6. My oldest son is alive today because I had a gun to repel a violent burglar.
 
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  1. 30rnd is not high-capacity, it's standard. High-capacity = 60/100rnd mags.
  2. Columbine was carried out using AWB-compliant 10rnd mags.

A 30 round magizine for a handgun is high capacity. No pistol I have heard of needed 30 rounds as a standard issue magizine
 

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You know as well as I do that most semi-automatic handguns hold at least ten rounds. Who do you think you're fooling? Bush doesn't support banning handguns, which this would do. So your claims are bull****.

"Would sign, but would not push, gun restrictions

Bush has said he would sign a law requiring trigger locks with handgun sales but wouldn’t push such legislation. Bush has endorsed outlawing the import of certain high-capacity ammunition clips. Bush also would raise the legal age for handgun purchases from 18 to 21.
Source: Judy Holland, Hearst Newspapers , Apr 14, 2000

Ban automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips

* Supports stronger enforcement of existing gun laws, would provide more funding for aggressive gun law enforcement programs such as Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia
* Supports requiring instant background checks at gun shows by allowing gun show promoters to access the instant check system on behalf of vendors
* Supports law-abiding American’s constitutional right to own guns to protect their families and home
* Supports the current ban on automatic weapons
* Supports banning the importation of foreign made, “high-capacity” ammunition clips
* Supports voluntary safety locks
* Opposes government mandated registration of all guns owned by law abiding citizens "

Source: GeorgeWBush.com: ‘Issues: Policy Points Overview’ , Apr 2, 2000

George W. Bush on Gun Control
 

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A 30 round magizine for a handgun is high capacity. No pistol I have heard of needed 30 rounds as a standard issue magazine
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Kel-Tec today announced the newest gun to their lineup, the PMR-30 pistol chambered in .22WMR. The PMR-30 is a double stack semiautomatic pistol that has a 30 round magazine.

Forget all about mag limits, we need to do the exact opposite: Repeal the 1986 Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners' Protection Act.


 

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Why repeal the Hughes amendment, but could you explain why you think it should be repealed?
 

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Ban automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips

  1. Automatic weapons have been banned for 27 years now.
  2. No automatic weapon was used in any modern mass shooting.
  3. Only 2 legally owned (as opposed to illegally modified) automatic weapons have been used in any crime over the last 72 years, even before they were banned in 1986.
 

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1. 30rnd is not high-capacity, it's standard. High-capacity = 60/100rnd mags.
2. Columbine was carried out using AWB-compliant 10rnd mags.

1. Your opinion.

2. Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)

"Mass shootings are a unique feature of American life which have occurred consistently throughout history in every region of the country. The increased lethality of such incidents is made possible by the use of large capacity ammunition magazines (defined as more than 10-rounds) which enable a shooter to rapidly fire off as many as 100-rounds without having to reload the firearm. Designed for military use to kill greater numbers of people more effectively, large capacity ammunition magazines have facilitated some of the worst mass murders ever committed in the United States. As these incidents occur in every region of the country, restricting civilian access to these weapons is not a state specific problem. The federal government needs to take action to protect all Americans by reinstating the ban on large capacity ammunition magazines.

This database provides an overview of significant mass shooting incidents in America (defined by the FBI as four or more victims killed), all of which involved large capacity ammunition magazines."
Citizens Crime Commission of New York City - Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)
 

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Why repeal the Hughes amendment, but could you explain why you think it should be repealed?
Setting aside our own opinions of gun ownership, the Hughes Amendment is simply illegal, it violates the Militia Act of 1903.

The average citizen has the right to personally own any modern firearm which is designed and intended to be used by one person, which the Army and police issue to individual members.

We need our well regulated militia because we aren't supposed to have a standing Army. We aren't supposed to have a standing army because we should be in a peace-time condition. We should be in a peace-time condition because the War on Terror is illegal; Congress never declared war, and Congress does not have the authority to grant the POTUS permission to use the Army without a deceleration of war. Additionally, it is illegal to send National Guard units to other countries and engage in offensive warfare, yet I spent last year in Afghanistan anyway.
 

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1. Your opinion [experience as a military veteran of a foreign war, having been formally trained with the M16/M4 platform].
Truth is not an opinion. The 30rnd mag is standard issue, aka "in common use". You can't find a 10rnd mag in the service even if you wanted one.
 

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2. Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)
Crime is at an all time low, down 54% from 1994:


Sources used in the video:


The AWB had failed to have an impact on gun crime in the United States. A 2004 Department of Justice report concluded:
"Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. [Assault weapons] were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."
 

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Why all the concern for victims of mass shootings and not the victims of clubs and hammers which have killed countless more people?
It looks to me like its not about protecting people at all - its about driving a wedge issue between the left and the right - and gaining
control over people isn't it?

1. Your opinion.

2. Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)

"Mass shootings are a unique feature of American life which have occurred consistently throughout history in every region of the country. The increased lethality of such incidents is made possible by the use of large capacity ammunition magazines (defined as more than 10-rounds) which enable a shooter to rapidly fire off as many as 100-rounds without having to reload the firearm. Designed for military use to kill greater numbers of people more effectively, large capacity ammunition magazines have facilitated some of the worst mass murders ever committed in the United States. As these incidents occur in every region of the country, restricting civilian access to these weapons is not a state specific problem. The federal government needs to take action to protect all Americans by reinstating the ban on large capacity ammunition magazines.

This database provides an overview of significant mass shooting incidents in America (defined by the FBI as four or more victims killed), all of which involved large capacity ammunition magazines."
Citizens Crime Commission of New York City - Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)
 

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Crime is at an all time low, down 54% from 1994:


Sources used in the video:


The AWB had failed to have an impact on gun crime in the United States. A 2004 Department of Justice report concluded:
"Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. [Assault weapons] were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."


Closing the private gun sale loophole is designed to reduce crime. The high capacity magazine ban is not designed to reduce crime, it is designed to reduce the number of kills in mass murders.
 

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1. Your opinion.
This is how retarded your side of this issue is:

‘Paper Gun’ At School Prompts Suspension Of Philadelphia Girl

girl-takes-paper-gun-to-school.jpg


A Philadelphia fifth grader was suspended for having a paper gun at school. The little girl maintains she was chastised by staff and ridiculed by her peers. The child also claims that after the piece of paper that kind of resembled a gun was found, she was searched in front of the entire class. Critics who feel the teacher overreacted wonder if the educator was checking for paper bullets in the little girl’s pockets.

Here's a picture of the gun in question:

paper24n-2-web-e1359301704670.jpg


There's your military-grade military-style high-capacity semi-automatic assault paper gun WMD.
 

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Closing the private gun sale loophole is designed to reduce crime.
That's not a loophole.
Loophole
: a means of escape; especially : an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded

The original intent of Gun Control Act and FOPA did not include a desire to run a backround check on every single gun sale ever. The rule only applied to FFL holders.

If you're now saying the original intent of the GCT and FOPA was to document every gun sale, then that's a conspiracy theory you're welcome to open a thread on in the Conspiracy Theory forum of DebatePolitics.com.

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If you don't have a Class-A Commercial Drivers License, you do not have to get a physical every year and receive a [URL="https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/medical/aboutDOTexam.htm"]DoT medical card[/url] to drive your car to work. It's not that you're getting away with some loophole, its that the rule doesn't apply to you because you don't have that license.

Performing background checks is a requirement of having an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License"]Federal Firearms License[/url] , so naturally if you don't have an FFL, those rules do not apply to you, just like you don't have to get a DoT medical card if you don't have a class-A CDL.

A loophole is an ambiguity or omission. There was never any rule requiring all gun sales to have a background check performed, for private sales to have found a loophole. The rule only applied to Federal Firearms License holders, aka licensed dealers. The rule never did apply to anyone without an FFL, and it wasn't meant to.

Requiring citizens who do not operate a gun business to perform background checks is something completely new, not something which was supposed to have always been.

I'm not saying I oppose the idea, I'm only pointing out that no background checks for private gun sales is not a loophole, by definition. To call it a loophole is to lie, and that the Obama Administration would knowingly present this lie is highly suspect.
 

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Why all the concern for victims of mass shootings and not the victims of clubs and hammers which have killed countless more people?
It looks to me like its not about protecting people at all - its about driving a wedge issue between the left and the right - and gaining
control over people isn't it?

My guess because the pussies that are committing most of the mass murders are using high cap mags rather than clubs and hammers. They would actually have to have balls to commit mass murders with clubs and hammers.

What wedge between the left and right? A majority of the left and right support a ban on high cap mags. It is only the extreme far right that oppose it, and they are politically irrelevant.
 

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The high capacity magazine ban is not designed to reduce crime, it is designed to reduce the number of kills in mass murders.

  • 30rnd is not high-capacity, it's standard. High-capacity = 60/100rnd mags, which is why the CO theater shooter's rifle kept jamming, allowing people to escape during the assault.
  • The CT shooter had ammunition left over. He didn't stop because he ran out of ammunition, he stopped because he accomplished his goal.
  • Columbine was carried out using AWB-compliant 10rnd mags. 18 of them. Over 130 rounds were fired before the shooters killed themselves. When you limit the mag size, perps simply bring more mags.
  • All of these mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.
  • All of these mass shooters were taking SSRIs.
  • My oldest son is alive today because I had a gun to repel a violent burglar.
 

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  • 30rnd is not high-capacity, it's standard. High-capacity = 60/100rnd mags, which is why the CO theater shooter's rifle kept jamming, allowing people to escape during the assault.
  • The CT shooter had ammunition left over. He didn't stop because he ran out of ammunition, he stopped because he accomplished his goal.
  • Columbine was carried out using AWB-compliant 10rnd mags. 18 of them. Over 130 rounds were fired before the shooters killed themselves. When you limit the mag size, perps simply bring more mags.
  • All of these mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.
  • All of these mass shooters were taking SSRIs.
  • My oldest son is alive today because I had a gun to repel a violent burglar.

Thanks for your opinion!
 

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  • 30rnd is not high-capacity, it's standard. High-capacity = 60/100rnd mags, which is why the CO theater shooter's rifle kept jamming, allowing people to escape during the assault.
  • The CT shooter had ammunition left over. He didn't stop because he ran out of ammunition, he stopped because he accomplished his goal.
  • Columbine was carried out using AWB-compliant 10rnd mags. 18 of them. Over 130 rounds were fired before the shooters killed themselves. When you limit the mag size, perps simply bring more mags.
  • All of these mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.
  • All of these mass shooters were taking SSRIs.
  • My oldest son is alive today because I had a gun to repel a violent burglar.


1. Your opinion.

2. Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)

"Mass shootings are a unique feature of American life which have occurred consistently throughout history in every region of the country. The increased lethality of such incidents is made possible by the use of large capacity ammunition magazines (defined as more than 10-rounds) which enable a shooter to rapidly fire off as many as 100-rounds without having to reload the firearm. Designed for military use to kill greater numbers of people more effectively, large capacity ammunition magazines have facilitated some of the worst mass murders ever committed in the United States. As these incidents occur in every region of the country, restricting civilian access to these weapons is not a state specific problem. The federal government needs to take action to protect all Americans by reinstating the ban on large capacity ammunition magazines.

This database provides an overview of significant mass shooting incidents in America (defined by the FBI as four or more victims killed), all of which involved large capacity ammunition magazines."
Citizens Crime Commission of New York City - Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)
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Also:
WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE? A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy

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Guns are just one among numerous available deadly instruments. Thus, banning guns cannot reduce the amount of suicides. Such measures only reduce the number of suicides by firearms. Suicides committed in other ways increase to make up the difference. People do not commit suicide because they have guns available. They kill themselves for reasons they deem sufficient, and in the absence of firearms they just kill themselves in some other way.
 
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