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"Last Night in Sweden"? Trump Remarks Baffles a Nation

Trump said Sweden. This suburb is in Sweden.

Tres Borrachas is correct that the article is in error when it states that Trump referred to that suburb in his speech. He didn't He was referring to Sweden in general and the higher crime rate, from the heavy influx of immigrants into Sweden. And I believe the riot illustrated by the Daily Mail was on Sunday? After Trump's speech anyway.

But it sure did illustrate his point that Sweden is having its own problem with immigration. :)
 
Swedish definition of rape changed to be much wider in 2005. Correlating pretty much exactly with the sharp rise.

So try again.
I've got a better correlation to clear up doubt about Cause. Unlike the embarrassed Leftists of Sweden, Next-Door Norway DOES release some stats.
In addition to my Graphs of correlation, and correlation of Cities, even Neighborhoods with more immigrants, having more Crime I've posted previously in the Europe section..
We do have Norway/Oslo... next door with a similar mix, if not the higher immigrant density of Sweden...
and we DO have official Stats:

Immigration and Crime - Wiki
Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Norway

A 2011...report, the data for 2009 shows that first-generation immigrants from Africa were 3x more likely than ethnic Norwegians... to be convicted of a felony while Somali immigrants in particular being 4.4x more likely to be convicted of a felony than an ethnic Norwegian was. Similarly, Iraqis and Pakistanis were found to have rates of conviction for felonies greater than ethnic Norwegians by a factor of 3 and 2.6 respectively. Another finding.. Second-Generation African and Asian immigrants had a Higher rate of Convictions for felonies than first-generation immigrants... over 60%. For Asian immigrants an Increase from 9.3 per 1,000 to 17.1 per 1,000 was observed...

In 2010, a spokesperson for the Oslo Police Department stated that Every case of assault Rapes in Oslo in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 was committed by a non-Western immigrant.... A 2011 report by the Oslo Police District shows that of the 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 54.2% were of Norwegian, other European or American origin. In the cases of "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals, the 5 identified individuals were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin..."​

Some breathtaking numbers above, and...
3-4x Higher for First Generation is bad enough. That going up 50%-100% in the Second Generation is epic failure of the policy.
Bye now.
 
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After Trump was criticized for his comments on Sweden, a suburb broke out in a riot in an area that is 90% foreign born and Muslim. Fox News reported on it but I haven't seen it reported in the MSM have you?

A video was posted on youtube showing the violence tearing up stores, looting, car burnings and cops stoned. The woman in the video says there are 55 no go zones in Sweden because of the violence.

She calls the Prime Minister out because he said everything was just fine in Sweden and they were not having any problems. And she says the riots happen all the time.

 
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After Trump was criticized for his comments on Sweden, a suburb broke out in a riot in an area that is 90% foreign born and Muslim. Fox News reported on it but I haven't seen it reported in the MSM have you?

A video was posted on youtube showing the violence tearing up stores, looting, car burnings and cops stoned. The woman in the video says there are 55 no go zones in Sweden because of the violence.

She calls the Prime Minister out because he said everything was just fine in Sweden and they were not having any problems.



Actually, Trump had factually made a general statement about how immigration policies were affecting Swedish society. This is just one of the types of impact we are seeing.
 
Gawd, you don't have a clue who you're talking to. If Clinton had won I'd be having just as much of a hoot ragging on her supporters. I detested the Harpie from Arkie just a touch less than I detest Trump.
I didn't lose any election, I voted Liberal, even if the NDP candidate won my riding. Trudeau is inexperienced, sure, but I wouldn't trade him for any of that shower of clowns you guys had to choose from.

Yes, hope this country realizes it when yours actually needs help. Maybe we can segregate people like you out of the equation and truly help those Canadians that get it

By the way how about these headlines? All is well in Sweden??

Rioting erupts in immigrant-dominated Swedish suburb | Fox News
 
He was referring to the problems Sweden's had with their liberal immigrant program. Here's what he said in context.



And here's what he was referring to.



How do I know this? Well, once I didn't think he was a dirty rotten liar, I Googled.

If you were speaking for forty minutes without notes, you might make a mistake or two as well.

Remind me again. Why was he speaking in the first place?
 
So, when Trump said that thousands of Muslims celebrated in New Jersey when the Twin Towers were attacked,
When he said that three to five million illegals voted for Hillary,
When he said that Obama was born in Kenya,
When he said that the murder rate was the highest in 47 years,
When he said that he got more electoral votes than anyone since Reagan,
When he said that 100 busloads of illegal voters went to New Hampshire,
When he told any one of his outrageous falsehoods,
he was just exaggerating to make a point? Really?

Maybe he wasn't exaggerating even though nothing he does is going to prevent people from making an issue out of the comments

Rioting erupts in immigrant-dominated Swedish suburb | Fox News

Logic and common sense say that he is right in California however doubt that there ever will be an investigation because that would be asking the state that allows for illegals to get a driver's license and supports sanctuary cities to police themselves. That isn't going to happen with those loonies in California, By the way, Love this report as well

DHS secretary orders immigration agent hiring surge, end to 'catch-and-release' | Fox News

Maybe the state ought to secede now rather than wait. hope the red areas of California can do what W. Va. did
 
Trump continues to cite non-existent terrorist attacks. :roll: It's just another Sunday morning. He keeps saying he is going to make this country strong. If the ban wasn't enough people should be really worried about what happens next.



https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/...in-sweden-trumps-remark-baffles-a-nation.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...or-incident/RHZuydisC35g8tZI6S5mqK/story.html

Yeah, when asked about it, Trump referred to Fox News...

Trump is an idiot and his behavior is disgracing the country.
 
He does write a few and he doesn't allow a speech writer to choose what the content will be. But he does mostly speak extemporaneously pulling together bits and pieces of what he has heard or read and including them in his presentation. And along with some natural exaggeration for effect or humor he will remember something differently than actually occurred.

The thousands of Muslims on rooftops celebrating the successful 9/11 attack for instance. Such celebrations did happen here in America as has been definitively shown, but the actual thousands were overseas and in his mind he merged the two. The point he was making was spot on but because he misstated part of the fact, that is all his opponents cared about and they continue to repeat it and repeat it and repeat it as a LIE.

His supporters go with what he intends to communicate. His opponents nitpick every instance of hyperbole, every slight misspeak, anything they can use to detract from his vision and agenda and attempt to destroy him.

It is hateful.

Exactly. And people need to get over it. No one really cared that Bush mangled words, or that Obama said Um a lot. I dont see why we should care that Trump speaks exactly like most of his opponents do in their life, with exaggeration, hyperbole, and ad hominems.
 
Tres Borrachas is correct that the article is in error when it states that Trump referred to that suburb in his speech. He didn't He was referring to Sweden in general and the higher crime rate, from the heavy influx of immigrants into Sweden. And I believe the riot illustrated by the Daily Mail was on Sunday? After Trump's speech anyway.

But it sure did illustrate his point that Sweden is having its own problem with immigration. :)

Unfortunately this country has a problem with riots, too. And it isn't immigrants who are rioting. A few years ago a bunch of rotten college kids a few miles from me rioted and looted a lovely town that was home to one of the biggest and best pumpkin fests in the world. Not sure of the college demographics but I've driven through it enough to know it's primarily white. Then I remember riots after hockey games, both here and in Canada. They weren't immigrants.

People who riot and loot are sad sacks. But the incident in whatever town that wasn't doesn't really make the case that Sweden has an immigrant gone wild problem IMO.
 
So, when Trump said that thousands of Muslims celebrated in New Jersey when the Twin Towers were attacked,
When he said that three to five million illegals voted for Hillary,
When he said that Obama was born in Kenya,
When he said that the murder rate was the highest in 47 years,
When he said that he got more electoral votes than anyone since Reagan,
When he said that 100 busloads of illegal voters went to New Hampshire,
When he told any one of his outrageous falsehoods,
he was just exaggerating to make a point? Really?

I'm still waiting, along with everyone else in New Hampshire, for Trump's proof that 3000 people were bussed into New Hampshire to vote illegally on election day. Stephen Miller went on television and continued that lie. So far, not a shred of evidence anywhere, even though every lawmaker - Republican and Democrat - in the state has asked for it, every news outlet has asked for it, the Manchester Union Leader has asked for it, there is a bounty ($1000) offered to anyone with evidence, and so on. Nada. Zip. Zilch. That was absolutely a vile lie from Trump.
 
Exactly. And people need to get over it. No one really cared that Bush mangled words, or that Obama said Um a lot. I dont see why we should care that Trump speaks exactly like most of his opponents do in their life, with exaggeration, hyperbole, and ad hominems.

Oh my goodness GWB's mangled words were legion and Obama's gaffes were quite plentiful--some of them funny (like the 57 states) and some of them useful to hateful people on the right who wanted to make hay with them instead of allowing for what he actually intended to say. I can't say either were allowed such misspeaks with good humor and nature from all the opposition, but that is what they mostly are. Normal human misspeaks or lack of complete clarity in memory, etc.

The mean spirited will demonize people for that. Intellectually honest people do not.

It's as simple as that.
 
Unfortunately this country has a problem with riots, too. And it isn't immigrants who are rioting. A few years ago a bunch of rotten college kids a few miles from me rioted and looted a lovely town that was home to one of the biggest and best pumpkin fests in the world. Not sure of the college demographics but I've driven through it enough to know it's primarily white. Then I remember riots after hockey games, both here and in Canada. They weren't immigrants.

People who riot and loot are sad sacks. But the incident in whatever town that wasn't doesn't really make the case that Sweden has an immigrant gone wild problem IMO.

I agree. Most of the riots these days are thugs and goons who call themselves things like Occupy Wallstreet et al and brainwashed, indoctrinated college kids who consider it their moral right to deny speech or presence to any who think differently from them. There are cases of destructive demonstrations at political rallies, the Presidential Inauguration, and some of that here and there has been instigated by pro-illegal immigration groups. And of course there are racially charged riots like Ferguson et al and other incidents.

As for riots committed by not only losers but the winners when it comes to sports teams, that is just incomprehensible to me.
 
Oh my goodness GWB's mangled words were legion and Obama's gaffes were quite plentiful--some of them funny (like the 57 states) and some of them useful to hateful people on the right who wanted to make hay with them instead of allowing for what he actually intended to say. I can't say either were allowed such misspeaks with good humor and nature from all the opposition, but that is what they mostly are. Normal human misspeaks or lack of complete clarity in memory, etc.

The mean spirited will demonize people for that. Intellectually honest people do not.

It's as simple as that.

Part of the problem with the POTUS misspeaking or making gaffes, including those that you just mentioned (Bush and Obama), is that there is a higher expectation from people of the person in the job. It's like when people went crazy because Mariah Carey couldn't lip sync her own song on her New Years Eve performance, I believe it was. If little Billy messed up in the school play, he wouldn't be the subject of ongoing ridicule and attacks. But Mariah was, because she's a professional and people expect her to know her job. Part of the job of POTUS, a very big part, is communication.

I will attribute this Sweden thing to Trump misspeaking, and not doing a good or even normal job of stringing his thoughts and sentences together. He has to work on that if he has any hope of being well received by Americans and the world while he's POTUS. But he has told some pretty whopping lies, like the one about the illegal voters being bussed here into NH. That not only is a lie, but it actually denigrates the state and our voting operation, which as you know is very important to us because of our first voting status, both in the primaries and the general election. There was no reason for that lie other than he couldn't bear to learn that Hillary won this state, even by a small margin. That was simply put very un-Presidential of him, and intended to malign New Hampshire.
 
I agree. Most of the riots these days are thugs and goons who call themselves things like Occupy Wallstreet et al and brainwashed, indoctrinated college kids who consider it their moral right to deny speech or presence to any who think differently from them. There are cases of destructive demonstrations at political rallies, the Presidential Inauguration, and some of that here and there has been instigated by pro-illegal immigration groups. And of course there are racially charged riots like Ferguson et al and other incidents.

As for riots committed by not only losers but the winners when it comes to sports teams, that is just incomprehensible to me.

I'm starting to think that people don't even need an excuse to riot anymore. A day ending in "y" seems to be a reason to riot. And I'll bet most of the rioters never even know what they're rioting about.
 
Maybe he wasn't exaggerating even though nothing he does is going to prevent people from making an issue out of the comments

Rioting erupts in immigrant-dominated Swedish suburb | Fox News

Logic and common sense say that he is right in California however doubt that there ever will be an investigation because that would be asking the state that allows for illegals to get a driver's license and supports sanctuary cities to police themselves. That isn't going to happen with those loonies in California, By the way, Love this report as well

DHS secretary orders immigration agent hiring surge, end to 'catch-and-release' | Fox News

Maybe the state ought to secede now rather than wait. hope the red areas of California can do what W. Va. did


People should make an issue out of comments made by the president of the United States when those comments can be shown beyond a doubt to be false comments.

Not sure just what California and the illegal aliens have to do with that.
 
I agree. Most of the riots these days are thugs and goons who call themselves things like Occupy Wallstreet et al and brainwashed, indoctrinated college kids who consider it their moral right to deny speech or presence to any who think differently from them. There are cases of destructive demonstrations at political rallies, the Presidential Inauguration, and some of that here and there has been instigated by pro-illegal immigration groups. And of course there are racially charged riots like Ferguson et al and other incidents.

As for riots committed by not only losers but the winners when it comes to sports teams, that is just incomprehensible to me.

Rioters have always been thugs and goons, nothing new there. Maybe there are more thugs and goons around than there used to be.
 
Part of the problem with the POTUS misspeaking or making gaffes, including those that you just mentioned (Bush and Obama), is that there is a higher expectation from people of the person in the job. It's like when people went crazy because Mariah Carey couldn't lip sync her own song on her New Years Eve performance, I believe it was. If little Billy messed up in the school play, he wouldn't be the subject of ongoing ridicule and attacks. But Mariah was, because she's a professional and people expect her to know her job. Part of the job of POTUS, a very big part, is communication.

I will attribute this Sweden thing to Trump misspeaking, and not doing a good or even normal job of stringing his thoughts and sentences together. He has to work on that if he has any hope of being well received by Americans and the world while he's POTUS. But he has told some pretty whopping lies, like the one about the illegal voters being bussed here into NH. That not only is a lie, but it actually denigrates the state and our voting operation, which as you know is very important to us because of our first voting status, both in the primaries and the general election. There was no reason for that lie other than he couldn't bear to learn that Hillary won this state, even by a small margin. That was simply put very un-Presidential of him, and intended to malign New Hampshire.

I agree 100% I wish he would not make statements like that without citing his source or where he got the information. I am not ready to believe that he knew it was a lie when he said it. He has been a prolific social media guy for years and i am sure he gets a lot of his information as many of us do from a snippet here, a line there, somebody stating something. We might remember where we got what we think we know and we might remember it accurately. Or not.

But I will concede that it is careless to make statements like that without backing them up at the time or immediately after and I really really wish he would not do that.

As for higher expectations, there is a higher standard imposed on the person (the rhetorical) you do not support than there is for the one you do. Obama for instance was immediately forgiven by his followers for every gaffe, was allowed to make many misstatements of fact without consequence, and express very emotionally charged statements that he was allowed while a Republican would have been blasted.

He once said when elected he would take Arabic translators out of Iraq and send them to Afghanistan where they were needed more. No Arabic is spoke in Afghanistan. He was allowed that clearly erroneous statement while his opponent would have been immediately declared incompetent and unfit to run for office.

He was allowed such errors of fact, misspeaks, etc. without his supporters assuming he was lying.

Trump supporters also allow Trump to misspeak and get facts wrong without assuming he is lying. You have to deliberately make a statement you know is untrue to lie. Repeating a lie that you believe to be true does not make a person a liar. The only difference between Trump and Obama in that regard is that Obama had a friendly press who reported but didn't make a huge deal out of every gaffe and misspeak. Trump does not have that luxury.

As for it being a problem. Maybe. Maybe not. Trump has enjoyed incredible success and beat all the odds just being himself. I doubt he will change. Which is why I don't focus on his personal weaknesses but rather on his agenda and goals to meet it and will support him in that all the way.
 
I'm starting to think that people don't even need an excuse to riot anymore. A day ending in "y" seems to be a reason to riot. And I'll bet most of the rioters never even know what they're rioting about.

Oh that's a given. Even in the much publicized women's march--disclaimer: that was not a riot--the man-on-the-street interviewers talked to many women who had no clue what the goal was. Same with those burning, looting, vandalizing, destroying etc.
 
Rioters have always been thugs and goons, nothing new there. Maybe there are more thugs and goons around than there used to be.

I know folks on the board will blast me for saying it, but I honestly think there are more thugs and goons than there used to be because there are more leftists encouraging people to be thugs and goons.
 
I know folks on the board will blast me for saying it, but I honestly think there are more thugs and goons than there used to be because there are more leftists encouraging people to be thugs and goons.

Fair enough. I blame the idiots, morons and jackasses on conservatism, so it's a wash.
 
Fair enough. I blame the idiots, morons and jackasses on conservatism, so it's a wash.

You are hard put to find conservatives who are out rioting, looting, burning, destroying, terrorizing, committing assault and battery though. It seems that almost all of those who do that are angry because they don't like some conservative or conservative initiative.
 
You are hard put to find conservatives who are out rioting, looting, burning, destroying, terrorizing, committing assault and battery though. It seems that almost all of those who do that are angry because they don't like some conservative or conservative initiative.

You won't find many liberals doing that stuff. Not everyone on the left is liberal.
 
You won't find many liberals doing that stuff. Not everyone on the left is liberal.

That is true. But those kids on campus denying people the right to accept an invitation to speak or the people who invited the speaker from hearing him/her speak are progressives i.e. liberals.

It is a progressive/liberal/leftist mentality that counts it as righteousness to use verbal, economic, and/or physical violence to bludgeon into submission those who believe, speak, or practice other than the progressive/liberal/leftist doctrines.

Those utilizing violence and hate speech to destroy a sitting President who hasn't even had time to get his cabinet into place are progressives/liberals/leftists.

Do all progressives/liberals/leftists do that? Of course not. But those who do are mostly progressives/liberals/leftists.
 
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