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Last Hope for LGBTQ?

Spakian

Spakian

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This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.

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Anyone?
 
This debate is over.
 
Yeah, I think the toothpaste is out of the tube on this one. Society has come too far to go back, there would be a ton of support from the citizenry to block this, or disregard it.
 

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Spakian said:
This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.

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As an actual gay I can tell you this sort of thing is scary. I just don't know what else to say other than #PackTheCourt
 
NerdcoreSteve said:
As an actual gay I can tell you this sort of thing is scary. I just don't know what else to say other than #PackTheCourt
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Gay marriage is a losing issue for conservatives. I hope they try their hearts out.
 
dex4974 said:
Gay marriage is a losing issue for conservatives. I hope they try their hearts out.
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The conservative court doesn't have to pay attention to what the electorate thinks.
 
Spakian said:
This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.

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Clarence Thomas an idiot who might be too stupid to be on the bench because that decision does not in any way affect a church, or he is pandering to religious idiots who still do not understand how limited that decision is, even after 5years. No church can be required by the state to marry anyone even if the couple is white heterosexual and are members.

Bigotry is not a right of religious people. He should know that from the Newman v. Piggie Park decision that mandated that people like him cannot be refused service in a public business by racists who hide behind religion.
 
Spakian said:
This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.

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I want Christian marriage outlawed because it offends my religion and affects me in some nebulous way.
 
Yea, lets just yank the constitution, empathy, or sense of what is fair and logical, and put the country under biblical law. Lets save god some time, and beat these 'sinners' back into the closet. (spoken sarcastically, for those who do not recognize such nonsense)
 
Spakian said:
This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.

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A comment and an opinion;
1. **** Thomas and Alito. Apparently, they skipped law school on the day the Establishment Clause was taught.

2. No way the two homophobes would succeed.
 
Spakian said:
This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.
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Cart before the horse, and suspension of stare decisis (Latin for "to stand by things decided.")

A few things have to happen before Alito and Thomas get their way with this renewed war on the LGBTQ community. Namely it will take a case before the courts on the very grounds they are commenting on in some way originating on a religious freedom argument that is strong enough to overrule someone else's rights.

What does not happen is the Supreme Court going off in a corner and on their own opening up some old decided case and retrying the original decision, what they can do is deal with a new case that challenges an old decision or precedent from a prior Supreme Court ruling under "exceptional circumstances, or special justification or, at minimum, strong grounds."

The Supreme Court can do this any number of ways and in more recent rulings likes the idea of trying to distinguish the law, or facts of an argument, from a prior decision from some other case before it. Meaning limit the prior decision's application or restrict the new decision's scope of impact.

"How this is going" is all a planned set up. As you recall various states have been tossing around the idea of taking Roe v Wade for a test drive by a more conservative leaning Supreme Court via new State laws. A similar plan is being set up under the guise of religious freedoms in some States that basically says if a person declares they cannot do something for the public because of a religious objection then their rights outweigh someone else's and that person cannot be held responsible for the outcome.

You could argue that Alito, Thomas, and the other more conservative leaning justices are waiting for this sort of challenge on the back of a likely 6-3 set up via Trump's latest nomination and likely conformation. But everything would have to line up. A state law that passes, a challenge to that law by someone from the LGBTQ community marginalized by someone, and working its way up through the courts to the Supreme Court. The nature of the argument and the nature of the defense by some new State law will be key to a long standing Republican goal of sending the LGBTQ group into social and economic outcast, and sending the nation back to 1950's mentality.
 
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The conservative court doesn't have to pay attention to what the electorate thinks.
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Did you notice that only 2 justices opined?

No way the other conservative Justices would get onboard with the two homophobe dingbats.
 
Spakian said:
This week, judges Alito and Thomas made some comments on LGBTQ rights. They made claims saying that they should block LGBTQ marriages because it affects Christians that follow anti-LGBTQ rules. I personally am not LGBTQ, but I would like to see your opinion on how this is going.

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The Supreme Court should not overturn the ruling.
 
Where does it say in the constitution that the government has to buy into some people's mental problems?
 
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