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Last dialysis facility destroyed - 160 sick people scheduled to die, on average, today.

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I wasn't willing to believe the first story I read, so I quizzed the AI at length. The last facility was intentionally, systematically bombed and bulldozed, though 160 people were depending on it. The stories also say 40% of Gaza's people needing dialysis were already dead at that time. Though it failed, curiously, to identify sources in traditional US media, it pointed to Euronews which I think should count for some people. The AI did not come up with any stories about people needing dialysis being evacuated from Gaza, and estimated that, since the facility was demolished on May 31, they would be dying on average about today (give or take a few days).

In numbers (160 vs 60), selection (desperately sick people), and premeditation (confining the people for a week in a place where they can't be treated), this appears to substantially surpass the Stephen Paddock massacre in overall and applied malice.

Is there anything that can be said on Israel's side of this story? Hopefully something involving these patients having been evacuated safely!!!!
 
bythoughts said:
The AI did not come up with any stories about people needing dialysis being evacuated from Gaza, and estimated that, since the facility was demolished on May 31, they would be dying on average about today (give or take a few days).
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Evacuated where? Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon are even less interested in the wellbeing of Palestinians than Israel.
 
If Hamas would release its hostages and surrender, all of this suffering would end.
 
Fletch said:
If Hamas would release its hostages and surrender, all of this suffering would end.
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That's like the police deciding to execute a bunch of random onlookers watching a bank hostage siege situation if the robbers don't release the hostages.

It makes no sense at all.

How is killing people because they can't have medication helping anyone here?
 
Fletch said:
If Hamas would release its hostages and surrender, all of this suffering would end.
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If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. If turnips were watches, I'd wear one by my side. If "ifs" and "ands" were pots and pans, There'd be no work for tinkers' hands.
 
Fletch said:
If Hamas would release its hostages and surrender, all of this suffering would end.
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That depends on what you mean by "surrender," but it doesn't appear to be that simple.
 
Peter said:
That's like the police deciding to execute a bunch of random onlookers watching a bank hostage siege situation if the robbers don't release the hostages.
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Who is a random onlooker and who is an accomplice? The Gazans could save themselves by sacking up and getting rid of Hamas instead of harboring, aiding, and abetting them. The United States said over 20 years ago that it would no longer distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them.
 
poppopfox said:
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. If turnips were watches, I'd wear one by my side. If "ifs" and "ands" were pots and pans, There'd be no work for tinkers' hands.
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Translation: its sad trombone time for Gaza.
 
Simplistic minds latch onto simplistic solutions as if the complex world does not exist.
 
Right. If a group of terrorists embeds in a schoolhouse and shoots at cops then the cops aren't allowed to do anything because they might kill a hostage. Similarly, Israel has no right to defend themselves against terrorists because the terrorists are holding an entire nation hostage. We simply have to accept the death of Israelis and, if Hamas kills Palestinians too, we have to blame Israel for that. We understand precisely what you're saying.
 

How exactly do people who are homeless and starving get rid of an armed terrorist organisation/government??

Meanwhile you still advocate for killing the onlookers. Maybe those onlookers should get rid of the bank robbers and the police should kill them if they don't because they would be aiding the bank robbers by not dealing with them?
 
Aristaeus said:
How exactly do people who are homeless and starving get rid of an armed terrorist organisation/government??
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I don’t know. That’s a them problem. How did a mob of desert rabble manage to topple Gaddafi and shank him in the ass? How did a mob of rando Egyptians topple US-backed Mubarak? Etc.
Aristaeus said:
Meanwhile you still advocate for killing the onlookers. Maybe those onlookers should get rid of the bank robbers and the police should kill them if they don't because they would be aiding the bank robbers by not dealing with them?
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Collateral damage is unavoidable.
 
Napoleon said:
Translation: its sad trombone time for Gaza.
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Ignorant of the common "if - then" fallacy?

The "if-then fallacy" refers to several logical fallacies that occur when reasoning with conditional statements (if-then statements). These fallacies involve drawing incorrect conclusions based on faulty interpretations of the relationship between the antecedent (the "if" part) and the consequent (the "then" part) of a conditional statement.
If Hamas would release its hostages and surrender, antecedent.

all of this suffering would end, consequent.

Can you, Napoleon, prove the suffering would end? Doubt it. Karma endures.
 
Life is suffering. I’ve never claimed otherwise.
 
Israel can’t beat Hamas with the most advanced tanks and planes money can buy, and you think a bunch of random civilians could?

 
Tigerace117 said:
Israel’s actions in the West Bank show that to be false.... and Israel couldn’t care less about “the hostages”
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So you say. But when Hamas surrenders and releases the hostage and Israel continues the fight, you might convince me that it is the Israelis with the bad intentions.
 
Fletch said:
So you say. But when Hamas surrenders and releases the hostage and Israel continues the fight, you might convince me that it is the Israelis with the bad intentions.
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Israel is carrying out routine attacks on Palestinian civilians in the West Bank, which Hamas does not control.

The pretense that Israel cares about “the hostages” is clearly debunked by the indiscriminate bombing campaign they have carried out.
 
Then Hamas should let them go and surrender. But they wont and you dont want them to.
 
Nonsense, in the WB Israel is targeting terror cells like the one that murdered the young Jewish mother and her soon to be born baby several days ago.
 
Apocalypse said:
Nonsense, in the WB Israel is targeting terror cells like the one that murdered the young Jewish mother and her soon to be born baby several days ago.
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Israel appears incapable of figuring out what a “terror cell” is, as the constant attacks on medics, journalists, and unarmed civilians demonstrates.
 
Fletch said:
Then Hamas should let them go and surrender. But they wont and you dont want them to.
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Which wouldn’t stop Israel murdering Palestinian civilians, and, as already pointed out, Israel couldn’t care less about “the hostages”

There is no incentive for the Palestinians to “surrender” to the people carrying out borderline genocide against them.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Israel appears incapable of figuring out what a “terror cell” is, as the constant attacks on medics, journalists, and unarmed civilians demonstrates.
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There are no constant attacks, Israel is targeting terrorists and part of wars are tragic incidents, compared to the level of intensity and the prolonged conflict it's not unusual at all to say the least. Israel has every right to defend itself and trying to deny it is futile.
 
Yeah, Israel always says that. Then it always turns out the people targeted are medics they dumped into a mass grave, or innocent civilians Israeli tanks shot at, or journalists gunned down by IDF personnel.

Israel’s actions are not “defensive”, as the plans to resume colonization of Gaza show.
 
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