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Larry Nassar, pedophile US Gymnastics team doc, stabbed multiple times in jail

mike2810 said:
It is easy to say we need jail reform and safe jails.

What would you recommend to make jails "safe"?
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I know it's easy to type out solutions over the internet. It's been a while since I've read up on this topic but it seems that the prisons in which inmates are treated like people who just need to be separated from mainstream society, as opposed to animals who need to be caged, are less violent and the inmates typically do better upon release.

I cannot advocate Nasser's release into general society. His crimes are to heinous and too numerous to allow that. But I don't think him getting murdered is justice, and more to the point, cheering this kind of thing on doesn't make us a better society. It just makes us vindictive and violent, and we have plenty of both outside prison walls.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
So in the context of the thread, you would have Nassar incarcerated with petty criminals?
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Controversial opinion, but I think the concern should be to identify inmates that are truly capable of violence and first separate them on that basis. What Nasser did was disgusting and the fact that he engaged in such behavior repeatedly warrants the sentence he received - that is not in question. I do question having him share space with people who are capable of murder or who have a lengthy history of violent assaults.
 
multivita-man said:
Already explained it.
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Your explanation was that those capable of murder should be separated. Everyone is capable of killing another. Pointless argument. So why should Nassar be separated from the general prison population? Why should a serial child molester that committed these crime for what, 18 years, get special treatment?
 
multivita-man said:
Yeah, more of this performative death to rapists and pedophiles shit. Gets old.
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And you recognize a fellow traveler that wants special treatment for poor little white guys who are serial child molesters.
 
eohrnberger said:
Oh well. Tough break. Should have considered this likely possibility before commencing his molestations.
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I don't think these sickos are letting the consequences of their behavior stop them.
 
Mongidig said:
I don't think these sickos are letting the consequences of their behavior stop them.
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Then it sucks to be them. Sucks worse to be one of their victims.
Sorry, simply no pity for them, nor rapists.
 
multivita-man said:
Controversial opinion, but I think the concern should be to identify inmates that are truly capable of violence and first separate them on that basis. What Nasser did was disgusting and the fact that he engaged in such behavior repeatedly warrants the sentence he received - that is not in question. I do question having him share space with people who are capable of murder or who have a lengthy history of violent assaults.
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Nasser himself has a lengthy history of violent assaults. If we separated those inmates from the general population, he would still be in with the dangerous people.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your explanation was that those capable of murder should be separated.
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Sorry I should have been clear - I was referring to my first post (#26):

I cannot advocate Nasser's release into general society. His crimes are to heinous and too numerous to allow that. But I don't think him getting murdered is justice, and more to the point, cheering this kind of thing on doesn't make us a better society. It just makes us vindictive and violent, and we have plenty of both outside prison walls.
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Gimmesometruth said:
Everyone is capable of killing another.
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True, but some people have a documented history of violence both in and out of prison, and we should do more to make prisons safer and more humane.

We need to change the whole prison culture/code thing. Obviously, quite easy for me to talk about on the internet when I'm not one of many responsible for actually dealing with these people - I get that. But that process begins by redefining and reimagining what prison should be in the first place. It should be a place where inmates become better people, even the worst ones.

Gimmesometruth said:
So why should Nassar be separated from the general prison population? Why should a serial child molester that committed these crime for what, 18 years, get special treatment?
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It's a well-documented fact that sex offenders are likely to get violently assaulted in prison. There's probably a part of me that thinks they deserve to live in fear of being assaulted, but the more rational side of me says that's not really justice. Justice is removing him from society and giving him a lifetime to reflect on what he did to his victims. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Gatsby said:
Nasser himself has a lengthy history of violent assaults. If we separated those inmates from the general population, he would still be in with the dangerous people.
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Yes, sex crimes are a physical assault and didn't mean to suggest otherwise, but looking at the guy, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's itching to fight his cellie or a prison yard badass. Getting knifed was predictable. Let's stop pretending it's not.

If it seems like I'm defending Nasser, I'm sure as hell not; I'm defending the principle of making prisons less violent, which actually turns out better inmates, who will in turn become more likely to be better people on the outside (not applicable in Nasser's case I guess but for most inmates). It's also a lot safer for the people who work in those prisons too. There's that.
 
multivita-man said:
Controversial opinion, but I think the concern should be to identify inmates that are truly capable of violence and first separate them on that basis. What Nasser did was disgusting and the fact that he engaged in such behavior repeatedly warrants the sentence he received - that is not in question. I do question having him share space with people who are capable of murder or who have a lengthy history of violent assaults.
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He certainly deserves his sentence but I question cheering for those who punish him further.
 
multivita-man said:
Justice is removing him from society and giving him a lifetime to reflect on what he did to his victims.
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Yeah, that is justice, the quiet, safe space to think about the destruction you caused to individuals and society.
 
multivita-man said:
Yes, sex crimes are a physical assault and didn't mean to suggest otherwise, but looking at the guy, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's itching to fight his cellie or a prison yard badass. Getting knifed was predictable. Let's stop pretending it's not.
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Sure, he's probably not the prison yard badass who will stab someone...but he might very well be the prison yard creeper who will rape someone.
multivita-man said:
If it seems like I'm defending Nasser, I'm sure as hell not; I'm defending the principle of making prisons less violent, which actually turns out better inmates, who will in turn become more likely to be better people on the outside (not applicable in Nasser's case I guess but for most inmates). It's also a lot safer for the people who work in those prisons too. There's that.
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I don't think you're defending Nasser. I just don't see any way to separate "dangerous inmates" from "non-dangerous inmates" that would put someone like Nasser in the latter group.
 
Gatsby said:
Sure, he's probably not the prison yard badass who will stab someone...but he might very well be the prison yard creeper who will rape someone.

I don't think you're defending Nasser. I just don't see any way to separate "dangerous inmates" from "non-dangerous inmates" that would put someone like Nasser in the latter group.
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How so? Are there 15-year old gymnasts in his prison?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yeah, that is justice, the quiet, safe space to think about the destruction you caused to individuals and society.
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Pretty much.

That and the fact that he will never be a truly free man ever again. He shouldn't be free. He should be controlled. He should be forced to develop some sort of awareness and conscience of what he did to his victims specifically.

I concede...easy to talk about on a message board. Much harder to reform a centuries' old institution and pull all the resources needed to make these kinds of changes I envision. Much, much easier to say **** him, let him get shanked. I get it on some level, actually.
 
Bound to happen, in some regards I am curious what took so long for others there to go after Nassar.
 
reflechissez said:
How so? Are there 15-year old gymnasts in his prison?
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I think common sense would suggest that a convicted rapist will be more likely than most inmates to rape someone in prison. Even if he can't have his first choice of victims.
 
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