EarlzP
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as I said a certain amount of speculation is good for the market, after that it's nothing more then thievery
Ok, but my point is that speculation is a business forecasting tool that without, many could not accurately do the jobs that they do, hence they would have to hedge their costs themselves, increasing pricing to the consumer.
j-mac
as I said a certain amount of speculation is good for the market, after that it's nothing more then thieveryincreasing pricing to the consumer
Good grief ... guess again !!
Ok, but my point is that speculation is a business forecasting tool that without, many could not accurately do the jobs that they do, hence they would have to hedge their costs themselves, increasing pricing to the consumer.
j-mac
FactCheck.org : Playing Politics with Gasoline Prices
Oil industry analysts say several factors contribute to high cost of crude oil: increased demand for oil as the world economy begins to recover, turmoil in oil producing countries in the Mideast and North Africa, a weaker U.S. dollar, and speculation in the oil futures market.
:shrug: you can argue about their relative importance all day long. that's what he was trying to address.
yes, that is because (as I noted above) PP specifically counts each event separately in order to minimize the focus on paper. so, for example, if you come into PP because you believe you are pregnant and want to abort, and PP confirms that you are pregnant and sets up a date, and then you come back on that date and abort your baby; that is counted as a person coming in for a pregnancy test, and a person coming in for an abortion rather than the same person taking multiple procedures in the process of getting an abortion. slap on a post-abortion checkup and you've already reduced the number of patients receiving abortions to 1/3.
Are you seriously suggesting that Libbos don't refer to their opponents as racists/bigots/homophobes at every oppurtune moment? I think we call know that's a totally infantile claim you're making, there.
He wants to generate massive social change...much like the one term Marxist president Obama. When a leftist says those things what do you think he means?that is beyond stupid
no other way to put it
that someone who wants to improve our social condition must therefor be a socialist is absurd, by any measure
this is the fellow who heads an organization which seeks to improve the working conditions of union employees
having the community/state as the business owner, as would be the circumstance within a socialist society, would not do anything but make his position more difficult
you must not understand either socialism or unionism ... more likely, you don't grasp an understanding of both
This is very much a typical comment of yours. "Blah. Blah blah blaha. bla blah bla bla bla bla blah. I think it describes perfectly the fear that so many on the right seem to be expressing by going overboard to mock, ridicule and attack these demonstrations. I suspect the right sees - for the first time in a long time - a public anger at the wealthy and that worries the right and scares them."
you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment.
many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard
If that is the latest right wing meme, it reveals they are terrified of this entire movement - only really in its beginning stages.
The wealthy...the left and right...the markets and the banks...what would happen if they just shut down for a month? What woulod happen if the wealthy just pulled ALL of their investment capital? What would happen to the average middle income Americans retirement accounts? What would happen to the job markets? What would happen to student loans, home loans, small business loans?
The people being protested against...if they were smart? They would very publicly give these assclowns everything they want. Pull ALL thier money out of the markets...stick them in secure overseas markets. They should very much point out why...hey...just giving the unwashed masses what they want. Careful what you wish for.
you kinda posted a little... weird, but i'll try to address what seemed to be your key points.
Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable to Ryan Budget
I have siblings on Medicaid. roughly a quarter of the uninsured qualify for Medicaid - including 69% of uninsured children. Another 43% have incomes above 250% of the poverty line - 55K for a family of 4. the CBO reports that roughly 60% of them are under the age of 35, and 86% report that they are in good or excellent health; many can probably be assumed to be uninsured by choice.
with the large job losses of the current recession, obviously, many have lost their insurance because they have lost their employment. which is argument #1,487 for making health insurance a portable individual market rather than employer-provided.
I currently live abroad as well (Japan), courtesy of the USMC. My experiences thus far with government healthcare have been atrocious. Waiting times are indeed much higher in UHC nations, and care is indeed much less available. for example, in Canada, the total median waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased to 18.3 weeks from 17.8 weeks observed in 2006, and the median waiting time period for an MRI was 10.1 weeks. In Britain, you can wait around 10 months to start getting treated after you are diagnosed with cancer. It seems this helps especially to keep healthcare costs down with respect to lung and prostrate cancer patients, as a higher percentage of them die in the meantime, thereby saving the state the expense. Incidentally, they don't have a death panel. Instead, they have the Orwellian-named N.I.C.E., which serves the same function:
generally speaking, if you get cancer, you want to get as far away from a UHC system as possible.
Can you say "Kill the goose"? Certain people aren't going to be happy unless the expand misery as far and wide as possible. To them there are just some people too lucky and way to happy.
Ah yes. It is the rightwing libertarian desire to weaken and even destroy labor unions and the destruction of General Motors would have further that extremist goal. Save the banks - save Wall Street - save corporate America even if it means holding your nose as you claimed you did - but smile from ear to ear and scream loudly for the destruction of the American labor movement.
If people were to become socialist simply to make people miserable, then fundamentally they would have to accept a point of view that is not socialist since they would be trying to spread misery by using socialism (which they would have to view as negative). This is just plain absurd to think people would want to do this.
Is this what the protesters have been asking for? Source for this claim?
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum
I've thought about that too... is this the 1% of 1% of the socialist / Marxists wannabes joined by Unions to simply make everyone as miserable and idiotic as they are or is this a real movement with a point? So far, the jury is out on that one.
I would tend to agree, therefore the premise that socialism = misery is probably not a conscious thought or effort, those who are pushing that point of view must therefore believe that the socialist changes they are calling for are actually GOOD.If people were to become socialist simply to make people miserable, then fundamentally they would have to accept a point of view that is not socialist since they would be trying to spread misery by using socialism (which they would have to view as negative). This is just plain absurd to think people would want to do this.
They probably believe a lot of things... in actuality we don't really know what they believe as there isn't a coherent or cohesive view. I've found the following sites with all sorts of things from demands to "calls to action".More likely, they believe that their way is the way to the greater good.
And so we call on people to act
We call for a revolution of the mind as well as the body politic.
- We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.
- We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.
- We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.
- We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.
- We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.
As we did when we marched on Wall Street last year, working people call on corporations, big banks, and the financial industry to do their part to create good jobs, stop foreclosures and pay their fair share of taxes.
· Wall Street and corporate America must invest in America: Big corporations should invest some of the $2 trillion in cash they have on hand, and use it to create good jobs. And the banks themselves should be making credit more accessible to small businesses, instead of parking almost $1 trillion at the Federal Reserve.
· Stop foreclosures: Banks should write down the 14 million mortgages that are underwater and stop the more than 10 million pending foreclosures to stop the downward spiral of our housing markets and inject more than $70 billion into our economy.
· Fund education and jobs by taxing financial speculation: A tiny tax on financial transactions could raise hundreds of billions in revenue that could fund education and create jobs rebuilding our country. And it would discourage speculation and encourage long term investment.
We will open our union halls and community centers as well as our arms and our hearts to those with the courage to stand up and demand a better America.
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
Repeal of the patriot act
Eleimate "Personhood" legal status for corporations
Forced acquisition of the federal reserve for 1 billion dollars
Repeal the 16th amendment
Re-investigate the attacks of 9-11-2001
What to name the Occupy Wall Street demands
CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION
End the War On Drugs
Require all Corporations to have Labour Representatives on Company Boards
National Repeal of Capital Punishment
Nationalize Health Care
Free education Kindergarten through college
CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT
Outlaw flash trading
End Gender Discrimination - Equal Pay for Women
Office of the Citizen
The United States must sign and ratify all human rights agreements with all other countries
USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS
restore true democracy to the government
Environmental Responsibility Reform
Repeal REX-84 - Concerning Martial Law
Creat A Board of Officers to Manage the Demands
Real Health Care Reform
CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION
CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS
CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation"
nope. screw everyone equally - if you fail, it's no ones' fault or responsibility but your own.
No Bailouts. For corporate or union bigwigs alike.
as for "the system" breaking in the 80s - no "system" broke. The American People got stupid. we went from a 10% savings rate to a negative savings rate in that time period - because we got stupid (and shortsighted). as for the "no gains for those below" - again, that's on you. I work hard, educate myself on the side, and come from little enough - and I will likely retire a multimillionaire; and be making above the median wage before I'm 35.
GOT STUPID? Maybe their was a stupid virus going around
:roll: the boomers spent their high-earning years taking out loans on their McMansions that they bought with adjustable rate mortgages in order to buy the latest plasma or take an extra vacation, and now they want to blame their problems on "the system". :roll:
Do you think you may be sterotyping just a little, btw what age brackett do you consider boomers in?
Just a question please don't be upset, Have you ever considered anger management? Your parents are they boomers? Where you picked on in school? Like I said I am just trying to under stand your apparent hatred. Relax sit back and take a few deep breaths
It's a colorful euphemism to describe the malaise of our society and forgetting what is fiscally important both as a nation and individually.GOT STUPID? Maybe their was a stupid virus going around
Just my 2 cents but he doesn't seem particularly angry - it may be that your perception is being modified by the written word and the in formalness of a political forum posting.Just a question please don't be upset, Have you ever considered anger management?
Again... you're interpretation seems lost in translation.Your parents are they boomers? Where you picked on in school? Like I said I am just trying to under stand your apparent hatred. Relax sit back and take a few deep breaths
GOT STUPID? Maybe their was a stupid virus going around
Do you think you may be sterotyping just a little, btw what age brackett do you consider boomers in?
Just a question please don't be upset, Have you ever considered anger management? Your parents are they boomers? Where you picked on in school? Like I said I am just trying to under stand your apparent hatred. Relax sit back and take a few deep breaths
It's very similar to the 1960's with one exception - the civil rights movement was very focused and literal in their wants and needs. This current protest is disjointed, disorganized and incoherent. It's true, I do like a clear focus --- call me crazy.After reading the various threads on this same subject here, and paying special attention to the vitriolic responses from those on the right side of the political spectrum, two dominant themes appear
1) this is a new and different type of protest that seems to defy leadership, a core goal, and adopts methods and tactics far different than many others we are use to seeing. Because of that his confuses many and even angers them since it is the 'shock of the new' and it bewilders and confuses them..... and they don't like that one bit.
2) The intensity and anger that so many right wing posters have displayed obsessing over these rather minor events is entirely due to their adoration of capitalism and the corporatists who control Wall Street and our economic system and the threat they perceive from a bunch of unwashed modern hippies carrying around Mao's little red book, the bio of Leon Trotsky and a bomb making manual from August Spies.. or so they would have us believe. They see their meal ticket threatened and - for the first time in a longtime - see protest against what they hold dear. Many on the right are simply sycophants of corporatism and the wealthy and they will do their best to defend their masters as a way of self protection. It is the first instinct of any organism to protect itself and the toadies of capitalism are responding in knee jerk fashion.
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