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these are workers in a workplace who have just formed a bargaining unit
the employer will lose big if it refuses to negotiate in good faith. booting the players out, revoking their scholarships, and billing them for their accrued scholarship expenditures would hardly be viewed by the folks at DoL who oversee labor relations activities as negotiating in good faith, as is required by federal law...
have no idea what point you were attempting to make there
and some do that. I had a cousin who was a pitcher in HS. He had the KC Royals, the Cards, and the Cubs all wanting him right out of HS to join their farm systems. All offered more money than he'd ever seen to go with them, he also was offered several free rides to different colleges. He chose the free ride.
Well, second year in the school's trainer ruined his arm. Tore the hell out of his shoulder and his pitching career was finished. They still honored his scholarship all the way til graduation.
I know not all schools do this, but they all should.
Damn, sorry to hear that....I hate to see a career ended before the big's....I am glad that the college honored their commitment to finish his education, something for most that is more valuable in the long run anyway. But this is why the only caveat I have is for these schools to set aside injury funds.
These are NOT workers (communist term btw), they are offered compensation in the form of a scholarship that as I pointed out, costs $176,000 for four years. The ones failing to be honest in their negotiations are the student athletes threatening the Universities with Unions.
What 'negotiations?'...
The negotiations between promising HS prospects, coaches, parents, etc.....Don't tell me that doesn't go on.
I suppose that's true. It's been a while, but a close family friend was fond of giving literal $100 handshakes to some of his favorite players. I didn't have a problem with it then, and don't now. But if that's what you're talking about, or other underhanded 'negotiating' methods, all you're doing is defending a system that rewards cheaters, and punishes schools (and kids) that play by the rules.
you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern didThese are NOT workers (communist term btw), they are offered compensation in the form of a scholarship that as I pointed out, costs $176,000 for four years. The ones failing to be honest in their negotiations are the student athletes threatening the Universities with Unions.
then you don't know what point you were trying to make eitherIt was laid out right there in black and white, sangha's question, and my answer...Sorry you can't offer rebuttal.
They are not joined in the rest of the world. Maybe that's why the education standards in other countries seem to be so much better.
But this is about greed. It's about the NCAA getting free labor and having no problems with colleges fielding football teams of academically weak players who will never graduate.
you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did
What do you mean, they are not joined in the rest of the world? They certainly aren't on another planet!
And how will unionizing fix this? :roll: Unless you are suggesting that you would be perfectly fine if there was no such thing as college sports.
There are other ways they can deal with the greediness. There can be RULES put into effect. I agree that some of the things the colleges pull are very fair, but unionizing isn't the way to go IMO.
None of that will feed a baby or buy diapers.they were paid. they got a free ride to college with all books, classes, free room and board, free trainers, free medical staff, free training room etc..
There will still be college sports. It's a supply/demand issue.And how will unionizing fix this? :roll: Unless you are suggesting that you would be perfectly fine if there was no such thing as college sports.
you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did
then you don't know what point you were trying to make either
finally one element of agreement
While your world stops at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, there are other parts of the world that have Universities. And no big time college sports. In fact, its the entire world except for the US.
I dont think unionizing would reallly fix it. I think colleges need to drop D1 athletic programs entirely. They can lease their names out to some professional league. Rent out their stadiums. Get merchandising rights if they want.
But going thru the charade of pretending these are 'student athletes' needs to go.
There will still be college sports. It's a supply/demand issue.
who said that? certainly wasn't me.Are you saying that people that are not part of a Union, can't bargain with their employer for a raise?
you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did
you post a fallacious statement and then you declare that erroneous statement to be false. too clever by halfThat is false.
employees is what the court found those ball playing members of the university to beBut, calling the students, "employees" is deception at best, and propaganda in the normal function of agitprop bullying that Unions engage in.
that could be said of any group of employees seeking union representation. and your argument would be just as wrongheaded with them as with the players now unionizedIF the students don't like their status with the University, then leave....I am sure there are no walls with armed guards keeping them there.
like ****, it wasMy point was clear.
my challenge is for you to point to any rule broken by me within this threadI suggest you stop breaking the rules.
who said that? certainly wasn't me.
here is what i actually posted ... let's stay with that:
you post a fallacious statement and then you declare that erroneous statement to be false. too clever by half
employees is what the court found those ball playing members of the university to be
you then equate the court's finding them to be employees as propaganda and union bullying
(CNN) -- The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize, the school said Wednesday.
The ruling has not yet been posted to the National Labor Relations Board website, but in a statement, Northwestern acknowledged the ruling and says it plans to appeal.
Northwestern fought the petition by saying its players are students, not employees.
that could be said of any group of employees seeking union representation. and your argument would be just as wrongheaded with them as with the players now unionized
like ****, it was
my challenge is for you to point to any rule broken by me within this thread
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