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Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, charged with murder after two killed during Wisconsin protests

there is no released video...but we know that the prosecution has additional videos from surrounding security cameras... so, again, what evidence do you have that he is lying? It isn't at odds with the prosecutor at all.

No, McGinnis said things in the prosecution's document that are not true. Not that he's lying, but he was vague about what exactly Kyle was doing with the gun, and he has already been known to have misinterpreted or misremembered the events. For example, he says Kyle fired 3 shots first, but we know that is wrong. Kyle didn't fire first, and it appears he fired 4 times. I'm more interested in McGinnis's video and surveillance video than anything he has to say.
 
that is a prosecution witness...so ask the prosecution. Do you have evidence that the person is lying?
The only witness statement released by the prosecution is from McGinnie, not the man in the alleged pointing incident.
 
There are SOME courses a 17 year old can take that certifies them in some way to provide emergency medical services, also known as an EMT in common parlance (not the kind you're talking about under the law), or maybe he WAS lying completely about it. He still acted in that capacity, and it has no relevance to whether or not the shootings were self defense or not.

Not in Illinois.

We know he does not have a GED or a high school diploma...also required

Illinois requires that prospective EMTs be at least 18 before testing at the basic level. They must have education at at least the high school level; a GED is acceptable.

How to Become an EMT in Illinois | Requirements in IL.

So, if you can find his EMT license I will concede that you were correct...if not, you need to back off and admit you are wrong....and you can look up licenses for EMTs in that state.
 
don't you think the police report would mention there were contents in the plastic bag? You are really reaching...it was a plastic bag, an empty one.

There is no police report released for this case. Not that I've seen, and I've been actively looking for any new information. If such a document exists, please share it.
 
The only witness statement released by the prosecution is from McGinnie, not the man in the alleged pointing incident.

It is McGinnis..not McGinnie...and you might want to think that the prosecution doesn't have to release all of their witness list to the public...lol....to the person who thinks that a 17 year old is a trained EMT....good lord.
 
Not in Illinois.

We know he does not have a GED or a high school diploma...also required

Illinois requires that prospective EMTs be at least 18 before testing at the basic level. They must have education at at least the high school level; a GED is acceptable.

How to Become an EMT in Illinois | Requirements in IL.

So, if you can find his EMT license I will concede that you were correct...if not, you need to back off and admit you are wrong....and you can look up licenses for EMTs in that state.


I'm not talking about an EMT license. I'm talking about basic first aid and CPR training, which a 17 year old can get. Calling himself an EMT instead of a medic is just a poor choice of words, not necessarily an intentional deceit of his qualifications. In any case it is irrelevant to whether or not he acted in self defense.
 
There is no police report released for this case. Not that I've seen, and I've been actively looking for any new information. If such a document exists, please share it.

police reports are subject to FOIA....go look it up.
 
It is McGinnis..not McGinnie...and you might want to think that the prosecution doesn't have to release all of their witness list to the public...lol....to the person who thinks that a 17 year old is a trained EMT....good lord.
I know what it is. I'm on mobile and attempting to keep up with your Gish Gallop. Forgive the odd typo and autocorrect.
 
I'm not talking about an EMT license. I'm talking about basic first aid and CPR training, which a 17 year old can get. Calling himself an EMT instead of a medic is just a poor choice of words, not necessarily an intentional deceit of his qualifications. In any case it is irrelevant to whether or not he acted in self defense.

he said he was an EMT...a trained one...not that he was a first aid tech...it is a CRIME to claim you are an EMT when you are not.
 
police reports are subject to FOIA....go look it up.

They can be withheld in active investigations, look it up. Nobody has FOIAd the police report or we would be talking about a bunch of new information we didn't previously have.
 
I know what it is. I'm on mobile and attempting to keep up with your Gish Gallop. Forgive the odd typo and autocorrect.

I am still laughing at how you try to excuse a murderer lying about medical training and claiming he was a trained medic...when he is not even a high school graduate...and all of it will be introduced at trial, because it shows he is a liar and a bully and has a history of acting out.
 
he said he was an EMT...a trained one...not that he was a first aid tech...it is a CRIME to claim you are an EMT when you are not.

No, it is a crime to impersonate an EMT. There is a distinction in the law there. In any case, it continues to be irrelevant.
 
I am still laughing at how you try to excuse a murderer lying about medical training and claiming he was a trained medic...when he is not even a high school graduate...and all of it will be introduced at trial, because it shows he is a liar and a bully and has a history of acting out.

If he's a liar, and he impersonated an EMT, charge him. He hasn't been. You keep harping on all these things that don't matter.
 
If he's a liar, and he impersonated an EMT, charge him. He hasn't been. You keep harping on all these things that don't matter.

oh but they do matter, he was committing a crime...you guys claimed the REAL PARAMEDIC was a felon, he wasn't...and he was has a CCW...
 
evidently it didn't...it was a plastic bag, no brick, no weapon nada.
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ClaraD, do yourself a favor. Go find yourself a nice plastic bag. Any will do. Next, head outside and start sprinting. Throw the bag. See what happens.
 
I am still laughing at how you try to excuse a murderer lying about medical training and claiming he was a trained medic...when he is not even a high school graduate...and all of it will be introduced at trial, because it shows he is a liar and a bully and has a history of acting out.

No, I am not defending a murderer or any of his alleged lies. I'm trying to determine how you are so convinced any murders actually occurred. Bringing up things like his fight video, what kids in high school who didn't like him thought about him, whether he lied about being an EMT or not, whether he crossed state lines, with or without a gun, that he was illegally in possession of the gun, all of that does not matter at all in regards to whether he was acting lawfully when he shot at 4 people, hitting 3 and killing 2. Every single shot fired will be analyzed endlessly from every angle, and we will find out what started whatever caused Kyle to run away. In the meantime, with all the video and witness testimony we do have access to, it looks to be a very clear case of self defense, even if the chase was about Kyle pointing his gun at people earlier, or at Rosenbaum prior to the chase.
 
oh but they do matter, he was committing a crime...you guys claimed the REAL PARAMEDIC was a felon, he wasn't...and he was has a CCW...

I have never claimed this. My opinion is strictly non-partisan, and I have and will continue to educate people spreading falsehoods whether they're arguing for Kyle just because he liked Trump, or against him for the same reason. You are just misinformed about the law.
 
I have never claimed this. My opinion is strictly non-partisan, and I have and will continue to educate people spreading falsehoods whether they're arguing for Kyle just because he liked Trump, or against him for the same reason. You are just misinformed about the law.

your opinion is non partisan my rear.
 
No, I am not defending a murderer or any of his alleged lies. I'm trying to determine how you are so convinced any murders actually occurred. Bringing up things like his fight video, what kids in high school who didn't like him thought about him, whether he lied about being an EMT or not, whether he crossed state lines, with or without a gun, that he was illegally in possession of the gun, all of that does not matter at all in regards to whether he was acting lawfully when he shot at 4 people, hitting 3 and killing 2. Every single shot fired will be analyzed endlessly from every angle, and we will find out what started whatever caused Kyle to run away. In the meantime, with all the video and witness testimony we do have access to, it looks to be a very clear case of self defense, even if the chase was about Kyle pointing his gun at people earlier, or at Rosenbaum prior to the chase.

so, have you dropped the obnoxious idea that he was an EMT and that Rosenbaum was carrying a brick or that he had a chain...especially when he did not have any of those things.
 

ClaraD, do yourself a favor. Go find yourself a nice plastic bag. Any will do. Next, head outside and start sprinting. Throw the bag. See what happens.

If a bag is wet or even has something like a stupid rag in it, you can throw it...if it had a brick it isn't going to be thrown in the same fashion as this one...and the brick would break through the bag...lmao...it is a plastic bag, no molotov cocktails, no fire, no brick....good lord you guys are trying so desperately to defend this little woman beater and now murderer
 
We have no idea what kind of qualifications Kyle has, if any. He could have been using the term EMT in the general sense, since he obviously wasn't dressed up as an EMT, with patches, a real med kit, vehicle with lights, etc. It also has not been established that he was in the commission of a crime, since the legality of his open carrying a rifle is an issue still under legitimate dispute (assuming that's the underlying crime you're talking about.) What it sounds like to me, with all this talk about crossing state lines, illegally carrying even though people his age are specifically exempt from the law if possessing a rifle or shotgun (no hunting etc required for 16+), whether people antagonistic to his position think he was a future school shooter, a mutual combat fight he got in that we don't know the circumstances of for which we don't know if he was charged, and now because he said he was certified as some kind of medic, is grasping at straws. Looking for any reason he must be guilty of SOMETHING because that means he must be guilty of murder. Well, so far it looks like he was guilty of violating curfew. Everything else is up in the air, but the shootings all appear to be proper self defense, regardless of all the **** people are trying to throw at the wall and make stick.

Well we know he's not a certified EMT and that's a fact. And when specifically asked so you're certified? his reply was yes. And we also know Balch claims he asked him his age (because he looked young) and he told him 18.

And I'll add here, that unless his mother is as looney as one of his lead attorneys and actually did drive him there? I'd not be surprised he lied to her where he was going that night as well.
 
so, have you dropped the obnoxious idea that he was an EMT and that Rosenbaum was carrying a brick or that he had a chain...especially when he did not have any of those things.

There is a picture and video of him wielding what could be a chain. I posted them earlier in this thread. I never claimed he was an EMT. I am of the opinion that his claims of being an EMT in that situation do not rise to the level of criminal impersonation.
 
evidently it didn't...it was a plastic bag, no brick, no weapon nada.

Taylor likes to play the "you said bag" as though you're claiming there was nothing in it. Fact is from the start I've suggested it could have had a water bottle, maybe an extra shirt and now that I've seen Rosenbaum was smoking maybe even a pack or two of smokes. At some point I stopped saying what the bag might have had (bypassing the nonsense that it had a brick in it) and simply said "bag" that was what taylor thought was a gotcha moment like I was suggesting it was simply an empty bag. My guess is still soda, water and maybe even a deadly 375 of Fireball. There's your flames!!! :lamo
 
You don't know that, because the police have not released the contents. It could have been a half empty water bottle, it could have been a water bottle filled up with cement and the chain(?) it appeared he was wielding as a weapon earlier.

A water bottle with cement would have gained more distance.

And I guess you missed that the "chain" is right up there with the molotov. Go watch the video and explain to us how the uneven 15" links of chain that barely comes to his knee in the screen shot magically becomes long enough to reach his socks and looks like a 6' loop of rope. That "chain" was made out of the rope using a chain knot. But sure it would have fit in the bag while tied like that.
 
A water bottle with cement would have gained more distance.

And I guess you missed that the "chain" is right up there with the molotov. Go watch the video and explain to us how the uneven 15" links of chain that barely comes to his knee in the screen shot magically becomes long enough to reach his socks and looks like a 6' loop of rope. That "chain" was made out of the rope using a chain knot. But sure it would have fit in the bag while tied like that.

I'm not confident enough about what it is, other than it appears to be an improvised weapon. A chain would make more sense than a rope, unless there was something heavy at the end of the rope. I think it is important to know what it is and what happened to it, just like it would be helpful to know the contents of the bag. As for it not going far enough to be a brick, I am not convinced. The weight is not the only variable in the distance the bag travels. He could have been aiming it at Kyle, and not been trying to throw it as far as possible. I'd say it's fair to say he tried to hit Kyle with it.
 
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