Kyiv Says Identified Alleged Ukrainian POW in Viral Video of Killing

[Rogue Valley]

Kyiv Says Identified Alleged Ukrainian POW in Viral Video of Killing - The Moscow Times

Ukraine said on Tuesday it had identified a soldier filmed being shot dead in a video that circulated widely on social media, sparking outrage and spurring officials to demand a probe.

www.themoscowtimes.com

POW executed by the Russian military.

3.7.23
Ukraine said on Tuesday it had identified a soldier filmed being shot dead in a video that circulated widely on social media, sparking outrage and spurring officials to demand a probe. The footage shows what appears to be a captured Ukrainian fighter standing in a shallow trench, smoking, and being shot after saying "Glory to Ukraine." "According to preliminary data, the deceased is a serviceman of the 30th separate mechanized brigade — Tymofiy Mykolayovych Shadura," the Ukrainian military said on Telegram. The soldier had been missing since Feb. 3 amid fighting near the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, the statement said. Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also called for the International Criminal Court to probe the footage.

Yet another Russian military war crime added to the thousands of others being investigated and the thousands more to come.

And folks on this very board support the criminal Russian military.

Ukraine Urges Probe Over Footage of Alleged POW Killing - The Moscow Times

Ukraine's foreign minister on Monday urged the International Criminal Court to probe footage circulating on social media that he said showed Russian forces killing a Ukrainian prisoner of war.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Cardinal]

It's like Russia wants the West to arm Ukraine to the teeth.

 

[Rogue Valley]

UN Believes Video Of Ukrainian Soldier's Killing 'May Be Authentic'

The UN Human Rights Office said on March 8 that it believes that a viral video showing what it called the apparent execution of a captured soldier after saying "Glory to Ukraine" may be authentic.

www.rferl.org

3/8/23
The UN Human Rights Office said on March 8 that it believes that a viral video showing what it called the apparent execution of a captured soldier after saying "Glory to Ukraine" may be authentic. "We are aware of this video posted on social media that shows a Ukrainian soldier hors de combat apparently being executed by Russian armed forces. Based on a preliminary examination, we believe that the video may be authentic," a spokeswoman told AFP.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It's like Russia wants the West to arm Ukraine to the teeth.

What they are doing is trying to provoke counter-atrocities, which would then be aired all over Fox News, etc, diminishing support for the Ukraine.

So far the Ukrainians haven't taken the bait.

 

[Juin]

What they are doing is trying to provoke counter-atrocities, which would then be aired all over Fox News, etc, diminishing support for the Ukraine.

So far the Ukrainians haven't taken the bait.

There has been shooting of Russian pows on the Ukrainian side as well. Such things, unfortunately, happen in war. The US, UK French Armies have also had to deal with that. Why you entertain the notion that Ukrainian soldiers are somehow immune from the stresses of war and consequent atrocities beats me

 

[Hamish Howl]

There has been shooting of Russian pows on the Ukrainian side as well.

The only recorded time that has occurred is when one of the "surrendering" Russians shot at the squad taking them prisoner and killed at least one Ukrainian.

Guess what the Hague and GC have to say about surrenders as a ruse? Take a wild guess.

 

[Juin]

The only recorded time that has occurred is when one of the "surrendering" Russians shot at the squad taking them prisoner and killed at least one Ukrainian.

Guess what the Hague and GC have to say about surrenders as a ruse? Take a wild guess.

I expect under the stress of combat for atrocities to occur. I am not gonna accuse Ukrainian soldiers of being more atrocity prone than say British or French soldiers under same conditions. In a war where hundreds of thousands have died in short order it is plain silly to imagine it was not accompained by atrocities by both sides

 

[Hamish Howl]

I expect under the stress of combat for atrocities to occur. I am not gonna accuse Ukrainian soldiers of being more atrocity prone than say British or French soldiers under same conditions. In a war where hundreds of thousands have died in short order it is plain silly to imagine it was not accompained by atrocities by both sides

So you just have a feeling they've done it.

 

[Juin]

So you just have a feeling they've done it.

YOU should know better. Soldiers who have been in combat have attested to that in their accounts of war. Atrocities happen. Many of them individual decisions, not necessarily intended, on the spur of the moment, the result of combat conditions. I must remind you that there is something odd about me the civilian telling you the soldier that atrocities occur, and can be expected to occur in combat.

 

[Hamish Howl]

YOU should know better. Soldiers who have been in combat have attested to that in their accounts of war. Atrocities happen. Many of them individual decisions, not necessarily intended, on the spur of the moment, the result of combat conditions. I must remind you that there is something odd about me the civilian telling you the soldier that atrocities occur, and can be expected to occur in combat.

Amazingly enough, in the two conflicts I was in, I didn't see any atrocities at all. Not one, by either side.

How can this be?

I am not surprised a civilian doesn't know that atrocities are outliers, not regular behavior. I mean, unless the Russians are involved.

 

[Juin]

Amazingly enough, in the two conflicts I was in, I didn't see any atrocities at all. Not one, by either side.

How can this be?

I am not surprised a civilian doesn't know that atrocities are outliers, not regular behavior. I mean, unless the Russians are involved.

Thousands of soldiers have written books on various wars going as far back as Vietnam and WWII. There are tons of books on the Iraq campaigns. The civilian butcher's bill from just Iraq alone runs into the hundreds of thousands. It is absurd to suggest that high a butcher's bill classify as mere outliers

 

[Juks]

There has been shooting of Russian pows on the Ukrainian side as well. Such things, unfortunately, happen in war. The US, UK French Armies have also had to deal with that. Why you entertain the notion that Ukrainian soldiers are somehow immune from the stresses of war and consequent atrocities beats me

You have to ask yourself : Who filmed it? If it is an Ukrainian getting shot it has to be the Russians filming it in propaganda purposes, either for the domestic audience or to deter Ukrainians. (and just so you know: I haven't watched it, I do not watch movies like that . It is appalling to me (and below me))


To me it looks like the Russian soldiers are so stuffed with the propaganda machines work at home that they think the Ukrainian side and for that matter the rest of the world is a reflection of it. You often write as if you believe the same. It's weird. (and I'm not trying to be a smartassXX)

 

[BogeyGolf]

https://radiopatriot.net/2023/03/02/horrific/

McIntyre told RT that he personally knew foreign fighters who had committed war crimes by executing Russian prisoners and that others had committed hideous acts of torture, something he says the Ukrainians and their foreign comrades like to laugh and joke about.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I expect under the stress of combat for atrocities to occur. I am not gonna accuse Ukrainian soldiers of being more atrocity prone than say British or French soldiers under same conditions. In a war where hundreds of thousands have died in short order it is plain silly to imagine it was not accompained by atrocities by both sides

You are totally avoiding the issue Hamish Howl brought up. The one video that comes close to being a record of a Ukrainian war crime against Russian POWs was in fact not a record of a Ukrainian war crime against Russian POWs because the Russians did not surrender.

The Russian fake surrender, was in fact, itself a war crime:

Perfidy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Juin]

You have to ask yourself : Who filmed it? If it is an Ukrainian getting shot it has to be the Russians filming it in propaganda purposes, either for the domestic audience or to deter Ukrainians. (and just so you know: I haven't watched it, I do not watch movies like that . It is appalling to me (and below me))

And when Ukrainians film themselves shooting Russian pows what purpose is it for?

To me it looks like the Russian soldiers are so stuffed with the propaganda machines work at home that they think the Ukrainian side and for that matter the rest of the world is a reflection of it. You often write as if you believe the same. It's weird. (and I'm not trying to be a smartassXX)

Isnt it chic to explain away Russians as victims of propaganda machines? Russians are thinking human beings like yourself. I am not sure you are not an occassional victim of propaganda yourself, in a post of yours a day or two ago in the Ukraine War thread you appeared to accept without a minimum of reservation so called intelligence reports that Russian soldiers are going into battles with shovels! I found it strange that your reaction would not be to question a claim that begs thousands of questions. You seriously believe Russian shortages go as far as rifles, to the point where soldiers have to fight with shovels? I am not even sure the Mau Mau rebels against the British in Kenya were that short of rifles.

I have long arrived at the conclusion that democracy and a free press are a panacea for propaganda. Citizens of democracies can be quite gullible as well. The shovel claims a case in point

 

[Juin]

You are totally avoiding the issue Hamish Howl brought up. The one video that comes close to being a record of a Ukrainian war crime against Russian POWs was in fact not a record of a Ukrainian war crime against Russian POWs because the Russians did not surrender.

The Russian fake surrender, was in fact, itself a war crime:

Perfidy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course, W_Heisenberg. Why am I not surprised? Heads or tails, Ukrainian come on top. Russians commit atrocities, Russians are guilty. Ukrainians commit atrocities, Russians again are guilty. You have become quite predictable.

 

[Juks]

And when Ukrainians film themselves shooting Russian pows what purpose is it for?
Isnt it chic to explain away Russians as victims of propaganda machines? Russians are thinking human beings like yourself. I am not sure you are not an occassional victim of propaganda yourself, in a post of yours a day or two ago in the Ukraine War thread you appeared to accept without a minimum of reservation so called intelligence reports that Russian soldiers are going into battles with shovels! I found it strange that your reaction would not be to question a claim that begs thousands of questions. You seriously believe Russian shortages go as far as rifles, to the point where soldiers have to fight with shovels? I am not even sure the Mau Mau rebels against the British in Kenya were that short of rifles.

I have long arrived at the conclusion that democracy and a free press are a panacea for propaganda. Citizens of democracies can be quite gullible as well. The shovel claims a case in point

Off course there are warcrimes committed by Ukrainian soldiers as well. It is war and if you been on the edge of death for several month loosing several freinds to the war and the adrenaline is running high the judgements goes out of the door for some Ukrainians as well. Some might not have had any judgement to begin with (some humans don't) But they do know it is the wrong way; They do not film themselves (You or anyone else arguing that angle, haven't shown me one film....) and more important: It isn't systematical or sanctioned by the state. Big Big difference!

 

[lwf]

Of course, W_Heisenberg. Why am I not surprised? Heads or tails, Ukrainian come on top. Russians commit atrocities, Russians are guilty. Ukrainians commit atrocities, Russians again are guilty. You have become quite predictable.

Not only is there more evidence for Russian atrocities than there is Ukrainian atrocities, there is and should be a lower bar for Ukrainians, because Russia is illegally invading their country and Ukrainians are defending themselves from an unprovoked attack. While all atrocities are wrong, they are not all equivalent. I care less about a Ukrainian squad executing Russians than I do about a Russian squad executing Ukrainians, because Russia is in Ukrainian territory killing Ukrainian civilians. The same cannot be said for Ukrainians.

You are making a false equivalence here. It is justified to give Ukrainians a pass in this department in the same sense that we give a victim of a home invasion a pass when he unloads an entire 9mm magazine into a masked intruder who turns out to be unarmed. The context can mitigate or exacerbate the atrocity.

 

[Geoist]

It's like Russia wants the West to arm Ukraine to the teeth.

Putin proves the necessity of NATO. It boggles my mind how the Putinistas fail to realize this.

 

[Geoist]

Of course, W_Heisenberg. Why am I not surprised? Heads or tails, Ukrainian come on top. Russians commit atrocities, Russians are guilty. Ukrainians commit atrocities, Russians again are guilty.

Any atrocity committed by Ukrainian soldiers against Russian soldiers is largely the fault of Putin. He chose to invade a sovereign nation.

 

[Juin]

Not only is there more evidence for Russian atrocities than there is Ukrainian atrocities, there is and should be a lower bar for Ukrainians, because Russia is illegally invading their country and Ukrainians are defending themselves from an unprovoked attack. While all atrocities are wrong, they are not all equivalent. I care less about a Ukrainian squad executing Russians than I do about a Russian squad executing Ukrainians, because Russia is in Ukrainian territory killing Ukrainian civilians. The same cannot be said for Ukrainians.

You are making a false equivalence here. It is justified to give Ukrainians a pass in this department in the same sense that we give a victim of a home invasion a pass when he unloads an entire 9mm magazine into a masked intruder who turns out to be unarmed. The context can mitigate the atrocity.

LOL You are killing me. Go ahead and mitigate or give a pass on atrocities all you want; just dont pretend to some higher moral standard

 

[Juin]

Any atrocity committed by Ukrainian soldiers against Russian soldiers is largely the fault of Putin. He chose to invade a sovereign nation.

He took the right decision to liberate ethnic Russian regions from the control of the Russophobic Bandera regime in Kyiv. Crimea and Donbass consider him a liberator, unless in your book ethnic Russians are forbidden from leaving a nation they consider hostile to them as a people and a culture

 

[lwf]

LOL You are killing me. Go ahead and mitigate or give a pass on atrocities all you want; just dont pretend to some higher moral standard

Of course Ukraine has a higher moral standard. Just like you would if you killed a home intruder vs. the standard that the world would be apply to the intruder who raped and killed your daughter. That doesn't mean killing a human is not an atrocity. But the context mitigates the atrocity for you, and it exacerbates the atrocity for the intruder.

This is a higher moral standard. The atrocities are not equivalent.

 

[Juin]

https://radiopatriot.net/2023/03/02/horrific/

That Ukrainian soldiers have commited atrocities should come as no surprise. Such is war. Why some in the forum entertain the notion the war in Ukraine and Ukrainian soldiers are different beats me.

 

[lwf]

That Ukrainian soldiers have commited atrocities should come as no surprise. Such is war. Why some in the forum entertain the notion the war in Ukraine and Ukrainian soldiers are different beats me.

No it doesn't. You know why. You just don't want to admit it. Ukraine is the invaded. Russia is the invader. That is the difference.