Kremlin says enhanced missile range for Ukraine would be dangerous

[Pyrite]

Germany has stopped putting range restrictions on it's missiles it sells Ukr. The war is becoming all in

Post #12


Wait a minute....where's confirmation of your claim that "Germany has stopped putting range restrictions in its missiles it sells" Ukraine?

 

[Pyrite]

Maybe...stop...invading...?

Well, yeah, but putin doesn't want to do that, so....

 

[iguanaman]

What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

LOL That is not something Ukraine does. Russia might though. They don't care about their people.

 

[iguanaman]

That is wishful thinking

China will disown Russia if Putin tries to use nuke in Ukraine. China is propping up Russia and they cannot afford to lose them.

 

[dandolo2k]

Maybe...stop...invading...?

Good idea ! May be Ukraine will stop invading Donbass which does not want to be a part. Of Ukraine ?

 

[Minerva]

What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

Has Russia targeted those facilities in Ukraine that were not next to military targets?

 

[Yakshi]

Good idea ! May be Ukraine will stop invading Donbass which does not want to be a part. Of Ukraine ?

A country can't invade itself.

Best wishes in your continued struggles with the English language.

 

[Juin]

Juin said:
What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

Has Russia targeted those facilities in Ukraine that were not next to military targets?

You are the one who gave impossible conditions for your missile use

 

[Juin]

China will disown Russia if Putin tries to use nuke in Ukraine. China is propping up Russia and they cannot afford to lose them.

You are not in a position to say one way or another

 

[Juin]

LOL That is not something Ukraine does. Russia might though. They don't care about their people.

The US Army doesnt care about people? There's rumours that Laos is the most bombed country per capita

 

[anatta]

Post #12


Wait a minute....where's confirmation of your claim that "Germany has stopped putting range restrictions in its missiles it sells" Ukraine?

google it. If I want to source I will, if i don't want to bother I wont. Perhaps you should be more informed

 

[anatta]

Juin said:
What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

I boggles the mind that Russia would only be hitting civilian targets. Russia has greatly expanded it's drone production ( and getting them from Iran) But we NEVER hear of any military/industrial targeting of Ukr

It's more of a total war strategy. I said the other day both sides are going "all in". Trump must not be paying attention to his intelligence
even though there are no "credible reports" of Ukr also targeting civilians..It's like Libya in the sense the NATO coalition deliberately bombed Misrata, but press reports were only the NTC was hitting civilian targets, and denied civilian targeting

 

[Pyrite]

Post #12


Wait a minute....where's confirmation of your claim that "Germany has stopped putting range restrictions in its missiles it sells" Ukraine?

google it. If I want to source I will, if i don't want to bother I wont. Perhaps you should be more informed

Post #36


Looks as if this is the poster's concession he/she/they cannot corroborate his/her/their claim that "Germany has stopped putting range restrictions in its missiles it sells" Ukraine.

Cool. And no surprise.

 

[Cosmo]

Germany has stopped putting range restrictions on it's missiles it sells Ukr. The war is becoming all in

That's not expansion or escalation. It's taking the cuffs off of Ukraine in round 5 when Russia has been armed with a crowbar since round 1.

 

[Tangmo]

That is wishful thinking

Your magic wand has never had any sparkle to it.

 

[Juin]

I boggles the mind that Russia would only be hitting civilian targets. Russia has greatly expanded it's drone production ( and getting them from Iran) But we NEVER hear of any military/industrial targeting of Ukr
It's more of a total war strategy. I said the other day both sides are going "all in". Trump must not be paying attention to his intelligence
even though there are no "credible reports" of Ukr also targeting civilians..It's like Libya in the sense the NATO coalition deliberately bombed Misrata, but press reports were only the NTC was hitting civilian targets, and denied civilian targeting

Folks appear not to factor in the cost of missiles, and quantity available when making wild claims about civilian targeting. Missiles of that range- all the way to Moscow, or all the way to Kyiv- cost hundreds of thousands of dollars; are in limited quantities; and they are gonna be wasted on civilian targets??? The tally given some night ago was like 12 civilians. One dead is too much, granted. But it is nothing if the missiles had been directed at civilian high rise apartments. Can you imagine the toll if those missiles were hitting civilian neighbourhoods? Gaza is an example of the kind of toll that those missiles can exact if the targets were packed with civilians

 

[soap box]

Juin said:
What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

You are the one who gave impossible conditions for your missile use

"Human Rights Watch examined four Russian attacks in Ukraine between February 1 and April 4, 2025, which killed at least 47 civilians and injured more than 180 others. Human Rights Watch found the attacks to be unlawful in that, at a minimum, they violated the international law prohibition on indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks. Russian forces failed to distinguish between civilian and military objectives or to avoid the disproportionate civilian casualties that could be expected from the attacks compared to any anticipated military advantage. Such attacks, when committed deliberately or recklessly, constitute war crimes under international law."

Ukraine: Escalating Russian Attacks on Civilians

Russian attacks since January 2025 have killed and injured more civilians than in the same period in 2024.

www.hrw.org

 

[anatta]

Folks appear not to factor in the cost of missiles, and quantity available when making wild claims about civilian targeting. Missiles of that range- all the way to Moscow, or all the way to Kyiv- cost hundreds of thousands of dollars; are in limited quantities; and they are gonna be wasted on civilian targets??? The tally given some night ago was like 12 civilians. One dead is too much, granted. But it is nothing if the missiles had been directed at civilian high rise apartments. Can you imagine the toll if those missiles were hitting civilian neighbourhoods? Gaza is an example of the kind of toll that those missiles can exact if the targets were packed with civilians

Yes an errant missile(s) makes sense - but the majority are not targeted at civilians or Kviy would be rubble by now
I'm not sure about drone swarms

 

[Minerva]

Juin said:
What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?





You are the one who gave impossible conditions for your missile use

I'm sure there are plenty of Russian military resources that are not near civilian institutions, they can take those out and work on the refineries, which tend to be away from things more.

You comfortable with the way you Russian have targeted apartments?

 

[Juin]

Yes an errant missile(s) makes sense - but the majority are not targeted at civilians or Kviy would be rubble by now
I'm not sure about drone swarms

Exactly. How hard can it be to target residential high rises? If civilian casualties are in the low double digits it is obvious that the missiles fired were not aimed at them. Gaza is an example of what missiles can do if their targets are in dense civilian areas

 

[Juin]

I'm sure there are plenty of Russian military resources that are not near civilian institutions, they can take those out and work on the refineries, which tend to be away from things more.

You are evading the question. What if the military targets are in civilian areas?

You comfortable with the way you Russian have targeted apartments?

You making it sound like the Iraqi war where the civilian casualties were in the hundreds of thousands. The US and UK Armies must have been commanded by Russian Generals

Given the lopsided military to civilian casualties in the war in Ukraine, I am inclined to the view that both sides are not going out of their way to target civilians.

 

[Tangmo]

What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

A major effect of Ukraine getting longer range utilization of NATO countries offensive missiles is that Russia pulls back their own offensive missiles, drones, bombshell artillery and so on deeper into Russia and further out of their own range to hit many Ukraine targets in Ukraine.


Russian military facilities at the eastern border of Ukraine




Russia for instance had to skedaddle its Black Sea Fleet from its vulnerable base at Sevastopol to the more distant eastern shore of the Black Sea to escape being in the fatal range of Ukraine missiles. Several attacks against the Sevastopol base by Ukraine forced the relocation.

It's also the case Ukraine hitting Russian oil and ammo depots in Russia makes a big noise with big flames and lots of black smoke yet the stock in those facilities explodes there and there only. Even Russia doesn't build major military facilities next to or near the institutions you're trying to exploit to Putin's benefit.

Any nation's military facilities and installations need a security perimeter that is qualitatively better than the sidewalk and roads and high rise buildings right outside of it. The barbarian Putin targeting and hitting hospitals and schools and so on in Ukraine is but one reason the ICC in The Hague has an international arrest warrant out on his demented Russian ass.

 

[Juin]

Even Russia doesn't build major military facilities next to or near the institutions you're trying to exploit to Putin's benefit.

I agree with your analysis, but it did not address my question:


Juin said:
What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

What if a military target is located inside a Church are Ukrainians not supposed to hit it? Were US Marines not supposed to have hit a Mosque back in 2004 which was an enemy strong point?

Mosque in Fallujah Hit As Fighting Spreads in Iraq

U.S. Marines fired rockets into a mosque compound in Fallujah Wednesday, killing at least 40 people, witnesses said, in day three of the campaign to root out militants in the Sunni Muslim stronghold.

www.pbs.org

 

[Tangmo]

I agree with your analysis, but it did not address my question:
Juin said:
What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?
What if a military target is located inside a Church are Ukrainians not supposed to hit it? Were US Marines not supposed to have hit a Mosque back in 2004 which was an enemy strong point?

Mosque in Fallujah Hit As Fighting Spreads in Iraq

U.S. Marines fired rockets into a mosque compound in Fallujah Wednesday, killing at least 40 people, witnesses said, in day three of the campaign to root out militants in the Sunni Muslim stronghold.

www.pbs.org

This war is Putin's barbarian war in Ukraine where Putin The Barbarian specifically targets churches, schools, hospitals and so on.

The map I provided in scrolling shows that Russia pulled back its facilities at the eastern border of Ukraine to get out of the range of US HIMARS attack missiles. This is shown in the tan area from Kharkiv to Belarus.

The NATO countries missiles under discussion would further drive Russian missile and drone facilities back from the Ukraine border. It would be a measured escalation dominance by the good guys against the bad guys to include the apologists and merchants of death who support the bad guys. Your post ignores my post in scrolling on this point. Your post only repeats your WHAT IF question.

 

[Rogue Valley]

What if the items of military value are next to hospitals, schools, churches, civic centers or shopping malls?

What if a military target is located inside a Church are Ukrainians not supposed to hit it? Were US Marines not supposed to have hit a Mosque back in 2004 which was an enemy strong point?

What if horses had square assholes... would they shit bricks?