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Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine


Yep! But they can't accept it.
 
Russia went to the UN to get authorization to invade Crimea?

Nuland went to the UN to get permission to replace the elected president of Ukraine?
 



Excellent Post Chatter!
There have been a few others that have correlating information as to the economics and resources playing out. Quite Informative Indeed!
 

Do you REALLY think the Ukraine could have stopped the annexation of the Crimea if it still had Cold War era missiles? :doh

Remember the Ukraine was NOT invaded.

There is NO, ZERO, NADA defense treaty with NATO or the USofA.

While ranting about two superpowers dividing the world don't forget China... eace
 
Nuland went to the UN to get permission to replace the elected president of Ukraine?

The United States didn't replace anyone. That was the Ukrainian people.
 
Nuland went to the UN to get permission to replace the elected president of Ukraine?

Nuland doesn't need permission from anyone. The Great Cookie Monster just grabs wrongdoers by the throat, throws them into the street and tells them never to return again. Putin may be next.
 
That may well be the case. Even then, it is very unlikely that the figure would approach $1 trillion per year.

Currently total defense outlays approach a trillion a year. In order to do what you purpose properly, I you have to keep the size of the military at current levels at least, if not increase it. Then you need to beef up all those areas in Europe that are not up to task. So yeah, I think you are likely looking at one trillion, if not more. But that's just my speculation.

What's for sure is that US cannot continue to spend one trillion dollars a year on defense.
 
Then who is it hiding their faces, carrying weapons, and shooting at the Ukrainian people? Are you saying it is other Ukrainians?

CON game- where are the Russian soldiers? NOT in the Ukraine but the Crimea.

Is the Crimea a province of the Ukraine? NO it is a semi autonomous region attach administratively to the Ukraine in the very recent past.

Did the Russian troops invade? NO they were already in the Crimea BEFORE any crisis due to a treaty with the Ukraine.

While many pictures exist of winter weather uniformed troops there are as many of uncovered faces.

But bless your leedle heart you sure try and distort the facts.... :2wave:
 
What? 4,000 U.S. deaths, hundreds of billions of dollars spent, tens of thousands of dead Iraqi's, Iran has far more influence in Iraq then before the invasion, both gays and women in Iraq now have far less rights then before, huge sectarian violence, iffy power grid...and all of that was to stop a WMD program that no longer existed?
That is your idea of money/lives well spent?
Iraq was a gigantic failure. So has been Afghanistan. When U.S. Troops leave, the country will probably go back to just about where it was before...Taliban dominated south, a loose group running the north (Northern Alliance). And all for what...more brave, dead Americans and more hundreds of billions of tax dollars wasted.
This is the kind of Neo-con nonsense I am talking about.



You are looking at things in either-or terms...you are not looking underneath.

Saudi Arabia runs a horrific regime that is one if the most backwards in the world (women are not even allowed to drive)...and America props it all up. And it is totally wasteful as less then 16% of U.S. oil imports come from Saudi Arabia (and less then 25% from all Persian Gulf nations). America does not need the Saudi's NEARLY as much as the Saudi's need America.

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports


Prove to me - using links to UNBIASED facts/stats, not opinions - that America would be worse off were her military budget 1/2 of what it is today.

Not with theories and conjecture...using ONLY unbiased facts/figures.

We both know you cannot.
 
No offense, but you talk like a politician.

So your solution to financing a vast military industrial complex is to - what a shock coming from a conservative - cut social programs and raise taxes if the former is not enough. And how has that worked out?

The solution is to, IMO, balance the budget by cutting military expenditures AND social programs about equally, reduce the Fed mandate to ONLY inflation/deflation monitoring - no more 'full employment' mandate, end corporate taxes, simplify personal taxes with a flat tax (over an $8-10,000 0% rate) with no deductions (except for charitable contributions) and no difference between capital gains and income tax rates and have the government stay out of 'stimulating' the economy (no bailouts, stimuli, extended unemployment benefits, mark-to-market rule changes, too-big-to-fail).




I say America should mind her own business except when large genocide or wars between countries takes place.

And it is impossible to prove that America would not be far better off if she followed this.
 

Either you misunderstood me or I was not sufficiently clear. My reference to the Containment regime concerned the policies that were in place prior to the war (select sanctions, limited no fly zones, etc.). I believe that approach was preferable to the war.

The post-war outcome showed that Containment was less costly than the war (in terms of financial and human costs), less disruptive to regional stability (didn't alter the region's balance of power vis-a-vis Iran), and was highly effective in deterring Iraq from pursuing WMD (Iraq had not restarted WMD-related activities).
 
Putting aside political arguments concerning the recent war in Iraq, there's little question that on a present value basis, the costs of the war were vastly higher than those associated with maintaining the prior containment regime.

Without a doubt. This though is an inappropriate comparison. The sanctions regime was on its last legs. It was leaky as hell. The US commitment to maintaining the No-Fly-Zone was near its end. Other countries were circumventing the trade sanctions. The choice to be made was a war to oust Saddam or finding a way to live with an unrestrained Saddam. As a threat to Iran, he was useful. Look at Iranian influence in Iraq today. We've weakened on bad actor state and therein strengthened its neighbor.


I think you're correct but you don't go to the more fundamental issue - 50% rate of consanguineous marriages. This preceded the birth of Islam and is woven deep into the regional cultures. Culture is an iterative loop, one cultural practice informs another which in turn influences the first practice. Cousin marriage allows for wealth and power to concentrate within a family over generations rather than being diluted. It protects the clan members like a State and Rule of Law would in a western society. We can't graft Democracy onto such a host, for the host will reject the foreign organ being grafted onto it.

There's also a tendency for the U.S. to view others as we view ourselves.

This is something that we CAN fix.

Regional uprisings were quickly coined the "Arab Spring" in an analogy to the democratic Prague Spring. Not surprisingly, given the region's structural and historical context, the democratic illusions have proved largely unfounded.

What do you mean "not surprisingly." To you and I, certainly, but I didn't see any foreign policy heavyweights making such predictions as these events unfolded. In fact, I saw Administration officials encouraging and cheering on such uprisings with the full expectation that magic would happen. And not to spare the Republicans, they too were doing the same. There is a dangerous level of intellectual inbreeding that shapes American foreign policy views.

The U.S. can't dissociate from dealing with such governments when U.S. interests are at stake.

What you describe as American interests are better described as Western interests or Industrialized Nations' interests. If we removed ME oil from the equation, it's really hard to articulate any compelling interest in the region. We don't import much from them, they don't generate much IP, we don't even export much to them. Now with oil back in the picture, America could substitute their oil with oil from Canada. Europe, China, Africa, South America and Japan can't though. They're the principal beneficiaries of what America is stabilizing. Let them carry the cost burden.
 
Sorry, guess I misunderstood you...though I still stand beside what I typed.

To be honest, I sort of speed read your post. No offense, but I run my business, I don't have the time or the inclination to get into gigantic discussions on chat forums on anything but financial subjects (I am a financial investor). I just come here to kill a little time (sometimes to learn/teach).

I agree that containment was far better. But I still say that America has no business involving herself in the internal matters of other countries outside of those that pose a direct threat to the sovereignty of America (that does NOT include terrorism) OR if significant genocide is taking place.

No other reason.

If you want to know how I feel about almost any aspect of U.S. Foreign policy, just see what Ron Paul thinks about it...that will probably be what I think as well.
 
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