Knife wielding bad guy vs. cops

[Artymoon]

He'd earlier stabbed an elderly man in a supermarket. I don't know how good her shot placement was, but at that range he took enough to later succumb from his injuries. Brings to light magazine restrictions various states have enacted and what handgun calibers are the most effective. I mainly use 9mm but geez, this guy was swatting shots off like mosquitoes.

Definitely some crazy, evil people in this world.

 

[Lutherf]

Looks like he took at least one round to the nuts.

 

[Rich2018]

Don't US cops know any other way but the gun ?


What about MACE, pepper spray, his taser, his baton ?


But no, it's always shoot them dead.

 

[Artymoon]

Don't US cops know any other way but the gun ?


What about MACE, pepper spray, his taser, his baton ?


But no, it's always shoot them dead.

You only get so many chances/warnings to behave like a civil human being. Once that has been disregarded, you are viewed as capable of doing anything to anyone and treated accordingly. And, if you're going to charge an officer with a knife that already has a weapon drawn, they have to assume you're willing to use maximum force to incapacitate them. A gun is the most appropriate tool to end that scenario.

 

[RF667799]

You only get so many chances/warnings to behave like a civil human being. Once that has been disregarded, you are viewed as capable of doing anything to anyone and treated accordingly. And, if you're going to charge an officer with a knife that already has a weapon drawn, they have to assume you're willing to use maximum force to incapacitate them. A gun is the most appropriate tool to end that scenario.

*But the British police are Ninja-trained to disarm people with knives and here's a video of someone explaing how to win a knife fight with a marshmallow.

 

[mike2810]

Don't US cops know any other way but the gun ?


What about MACE, pepper spray, his taser, his baton ?


But no, it's always shoot them dead.

What about Mace, pepper spray, etc? Is that what you would use in the situation that the LEO was facing? I highly doubt that.

 

[Thom Paine]

Don't US cops know any other way but the gun ?


What about MACE, pepper spray, his taser, his baton ?


But no, it's always shoot them dead.

from your comment, it seems you've not been in a life or death physical altercation;
I send you best wishes that you never need face that situation.
make it a safe happy life.

 

[Rich2018]

You only get so many chances/warnings to behave like a civil human being. Once that has been disregarded, you are viewed as capable of doing anything to anyone and treated accordingly. And, if you're going to charge an officer with a knife that already has a weapon drawn, they have to assume you're willing to use maximum force to incapacitate them. A gun is the most appropriate tool to end that scenario.

So the aim is to kill and not apprehend at that point ?

 

[Rich2018]

from your comment, it seems you've not been in a life or death physical altercation;
I send you best wishes that you never need face that situation.
make it a safe happy life.

Forgive me if I assume that you haven't either.

 

[Rich2018]

What about Mace, pepper spray, etc? Is that what you would use in the situation that the LEO was facing? I highly doubt that.

Yes and moreover that is what I would have him/her use


Plus perhaps a riot shield.

 

[Artymoon]

So the aim is to kill and not apprehend at that point ?

I feel like this conversation is me helping a small child across the street. Do you really believe apprehension was even possible for the one officer? Of course I’m assuming you watched the video.

 

[Rich2018]

I feel like this conversation is me helping a small child across the street. Do you really believe apprehension was even possible for the one officer? Of course I’m assuming you watched the video.

Yes, absolutely

Policemen should be strongly built and physically fit. Pepper spray and a baton should be more than enough to defeat a knife.

 

[Thom Paine]

Forgive me if I assume that you haven't either.

too many times actually; surprised I've lived to old age.
if you haven't, be happy, I didn't mean my comment in any negative way.
It's just common for a person not to understand such if it hasn't been experienced;
peace and happiness to you.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

This was in my opinion a good shooting. The officer was idiotic however in pulling over someone who was accused of stabbing someone without backup.

We had someone who was armed and going directly at the officer. Had the guy stayed at his vehicle I would feel differently

 

[Thom Paine]

Yes, absolutely

Policemen should be strongly built and physically fit. Pepper spray and a baton should be more than enough to defeat a knife.

survival is very "iffy" in that situation.

 

[Da Mole]

So the aim is to kill and not apprehend at that point ?

NO sir, the aim is to go home to your family which she did. BRAVO!

 

[Bullseye]

Don't US cops know any other way but the gun ?


What about MACE, pepper spray, his taser, his baton ?


But no, it's always shoot them dead.

Reduces recidivism.

 

[Rich2018]

too many times actually; surprised I've lived to old age.
if you haven't, be happy, I didn't mean my comment in any negative way.
It's just common for a person not to understand such if it hasn't been experienced;
peace and happiness to you.

I guess like most British police who only saw fit to kill 3 people in a year where US police killed 1,536

So do you think that the British:

1. Are less violent
2. Less likely to carry knives
3. Have better mental health
4. Have a far better police service ?

 

[Rich2018]

Reduces recidivism.

"Small crimes deserve death, as for large crimes, I can think of no greater punishment" - quote attributed to Athenian statesman Draco



I somehow think you'd change your tune if it was your family member being shot.

 

[Rich2018]

survival is very "iffy" in that situation.

To the untrained and/or ill equipped perhaps.

 

[Rich2018]

NO sir, the aim is to go home to your family which she did. BRAVO!

Then she needs another job


Do you think firemen have such a motivation ?

They'd never rescue anyone from a burning building if that was the case.

 

[Bullseye]

To the untrained and/or ill equipped perhaps.

This officer was WELL TRAINED an well disciplined. Although she let the guy get a little closer than is usually recommended. Notice even in the heat of battle she professionally clears a jam and continues firing. A real pro.

 

[Thom Paine]

I guess like most British police who only saw fit to kill 3 people in a year where US police killed 1,536

So do you think that the British:

1. Are less violent
2. Less likely to carry knives
3. Have better mental health
4. Have a far better police service ?

England is considerably smaller and their law enforcement is not my concern.

 

[Bum]

He'd earlier stabbed an elderly man in a supermarket. I don't know how good her shot placement was, but at that range he took enough to later succumb from his injuries. Brings to light magazine restrictions various states have enacted and what handgun calibers are the most effective. I mainly use 9mm but geez, this guy was swatting shots off like mosquitoes.

Definitely some crazy, evil people in this world.

I would like to see the tox screen and blood work from the ME report; I lost count of the number of locals in Iraq brought to my trauma room the simply wouldn't go down with a few rounds of 9mm, or even 5.56 center mass if the round didnt strike a vital organ or major vessel, only to find out they were blazed up on Hashish or something similar.

 

[mike2810]

Yes and moreover that is what I would have him/her use


Plus perhaps a riot shield.

Have you ever worked in law enforcement?
Would your answer change if the knife suspect would have been able to stab the LEO? You seem to want the LEO's to respond at the same level as the suspect. If they have a knife, use a baton, taser, or pepper spray. It would be interesting how well you would do against someone charging you with a knife.


imo, based just on the vids it looks like a good shoot to me.