KFF poll shows who is not getting vaccinated

[soap box]

And another poll on the original site said 6 out of 10 unvaccinated are Republicans. Give it up.

You are pointing to a survey result that contradicts your claim. What's worse is that you don't seem to realize it. Is it the case that you will say or claim anything to defend the expres? Did you see the video yesterday where Lindsey Graham tried to tell constituents that he was against mandates, but urged them to get the vaccine? They called him a liar, yelled and booooed. The CTs and misinformation, coming from the right wing, have clouded the issue so much that their leaders are no longer influential. I still am astounded at the irony of this; people don't beleive trump and graham when they have good advice, but if they claim election fraud they believe it like the gospel.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

You are pointing to a survey result that contradicts your claim. What's worse is that you don't seem to realize it. Is it the case that you will say or claim anything to defend the expres? Did you see the video yesterday where Lindsey Graham tried to tell constituents that he was against mandates, but urged them to get the vaccine? They called him a liar, yelled and booooed. The CTs and misinformation, coming from the right wing, have clouded the issue so much that their leaders are no longer influential. I still am astounded at the irony of this; people don't beleive trump and graham when they have good advice, but if they claim election fraud they believe it like the gospel.

6 out of 10 is not 30%.

There's also the fact that it's mostly young healthy people not getting vaccinated. Young people tend to be liberals. Then there's blacks who have a low vaccination rate and are 97% democrats. Then there's those that had covid already and don't see the need for a vaccine. Starts adding up doesn't it.

 

[code1211]

The only measure that is somewhat effective a the N95 mask worn properly and no one is wearing them.

Based only on the numbers which measure the outcomes IN THE REAL WORLD, ALL of the mitigation measures except the vaccines are now proven to be useless.

 

[code1211]

Congrats.

Now stop discouraging other people from getting vaccinated because you don’t care if old or obese people die of Covid.

In what way and by what method am I discouraging anyone from getting vaccinated?

 

[Paradoxical]

Based only on the numbers which measure the outcomes IN THE REAL WORLD, ALL of the mitigation measures except the vaccines are now proven to be useless.

That is correct but humans need their placebos.

 

[soap box]

6 out of 10 is not 30%.

There's also the fact that it's mostly young healthy people not getting vaccinated. Young people tend to be liberals. Then there's blacks who have a low vaccination rate and are 97% democrats. Then there's those that had covid already and don't see the need for a vaccine. Starts adding up doesn't it.

Your sentence, "Young people tend to be liberals" is a supposition. I'm also asking if you have updated your info, the poll shows a statistical dead-heat, with 4 racial groups being tied within the margin of error. Why are you claiming " blacks who have a low vaccination rate and are 97% democrats" ? That was true a month ago, the polls suggests a big change.

The poll could be pictured like this. You have a huge stadium filed with people. You send all the deomcrats to one side and all the republicans to the other. Then you ask all those who are unvaccinated to leave. There would be more empty seats on the republican side of the stadium.

For me, IMO, the misinformation about vaccines has run rampant through FOX, tuckerlaurasean and youtube, and facebook and other social media sites. This misinformation has led to a difference in the attitudes about the issue, to the detriment of our country.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Your sentence, "Young people tend to be liberals" is a supposition. I'm also asking if you have updated your info, the poll shows a statistical dead-heat, with 4 racial groups being tied within the margin of error. Why are you claiming " blacks who have a low vaccination rate and are 97% democrats" ? That was true a month ago, the polls suggests a big change.

The poll could be pictured like this. You have a huge stadium filed with people. You send all the deomcrats to one side and all the republicans to the other. Then you ask all those who are unvaccinated to leave. There would be more empty seats on the republican side of the stadium.

For me, IMO, the misinformation about vaccines has run rampant through FOX, tuckerlaurasean and youtube, and facebook and other social media sites. This misinformation has led to a difference in the attitudes about the issue, to the detriment of our country.

More is not the issue. Grossly exaggerated percentages are

 

[soap box]

More is not the issue. Grossly exaggerated percentages are

Are you saying that the republicasns didn't inject politics into the issue, but KFF did ?

 

[HangLow]

I’m always amazed by what the left doesn’t know or at least pretends not to know.

“The vice presidential candidates' debate was Harris's highest-profile appearance of the campaign. She took the opportunity to explain that she would not get a vaccine pushed by Trump. That is what got the habitually placid Pence's dander up. He turned to Harris and memorably admonished, "Stop playing politics with people's lives."

“when we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, ‘Put me — sign me up, they now say it’s OK’?

Biden

 

[code1211]

That is correct but humans need their placebos.

I guess that's true.

Biden, the placebo prevaricator, was elected over Trump, the results producer.

I'm not so big on placebos. I like actual, real world results.

I wonder if this indicates that our video game based society is now what our population is become.

When fantasy is seen as reality, will imagined feasts make people fat?

 

[Paradoxical]

I guess that's true.

Biden, the placebo prevaricator, was elected over Trump, the results producer.

I'm not so big on placebos. I like actual, real world results.

I wonder if this indicates that our video game based society is now what our population is become.

When fantasy is seen as reality, will imagined feasts make people fat?

The entire world has been thrown into mass hysteria. It isn't difficult to see by the panic that has enveloped humanity with this virus how incredibly easy it is for those in influence and power to control the masses, as they have done for as many centuries as history can record. What has happened today is how religions were believed by a gullible populace. Superstition over there being ghosts and visions and miracles was an easy sell to distressed humanity who wanted an escape from reality 20 centuries ago. People were eager to believe and charlatans were able to convince them of anything, such as there being gods of war, gods of fire, gods of thunder, all of whom morphed into THE god of all who controls everything and can answer a lowly person's prayers. The placebo of prayer has now been replaced by the placebo of junk science for a population fearful of sickness and death.

Society is growing out of a belief that some unseen hand can give them good health or make aunt Mary better into a belief that medicine, science, and government can. Willing charlatans in those professions now give them what they seek, the placebo that one or all of those entities can and will help them. That is with free money, no responsibility, even if you don't study, are unfit, a criminal; all will be taken care of by either science, medicine, or the government. This is what the masses clamor for and believe in. Just like back in the day when Christianity was the king of the day and people were killed for real for nonbelief that "God" was the answer, people that don't believe science, doctors, or government are virtually killed by the new cult called leftism through canceling and now really canceling by getting thrown out of society if they aren't believers in masks or vaccines. We MUST believe in their placebos or face death, like the video game you mentioned where it isn't real to them. You losing your restaurant, your job, your ability to travel is just a game. They won. You lose because of your nonbelief.

Society is extremely sick today and I am not sure it can last another year of this incredible fiasco created by Marxists all over top levels of the government, including the AG and general.

 

[code1211]

The entire world has been thrown into mass hysteria. It isn't difficult to see by the panic that has enveloped humanity with this virus how incredibly easy it is for those in influence and power to control the masses, as they have done for as many centuries as history can record. What has happened today is how religions were believed by a gullible populace. Superstition over there being ghosts and visions and miracles was an easy sell to distressed humanity who wanted an escape from reality 20 centuries ago. People were eager to believe and charlatans were able to convince them of anything, such as there being gods of war, gods of fire, gods of thunder, all of whom morphed into THE god of all who controls everything and can answer a lowly person's prayers. The placebo of prayer has now been replaced by the placebo of junk science for a population fearful of sickness and death.

Society is growing out of a belief that some unseen hand can give them good health or make aunt Mary better into a belief that medicine, science, and government can. Willing charlatans in those professions now give them what they seek, the placebo that one or all of those entities can and will help them. That is with free money, no responsibility, even if you don't study, are unfit, a criminal; all will be taken care of by either science, medicine, or the government. This is what the masses clamor for and believe in. Just like back in the day when Christianity was the king of the day and people were killed for real for nonbelief that "God" was the answer, people that don't believe science, doctors, or government are virtually killed by the new cult called leftism through canceling and now really canceling by getting thrown out of society if they aren't believers in masks or vaccines. We MUST believe in their placebos or face death, like the video game you mentioned where it isn't real to them. You losing your restaurant, your job, your ability to travel is just a game. They won. You lose because of your nonbelief.

Society is extremely sick today and I am not sure it can last another year of this incredible fiasco created by Marxists all over top levels of the government, including the AG and general.

Not sure all of your connections are equally just, but the overall message seems to be on target.

As the US moves further and further away from the idea that an individual can impact and dictate the conditions his own life, we are moving further from the attitudes that made the US a great place to strive and achieve.

Making help available for those in need and mandating the compliance to the party line are two vastly different approaches and seem to describe the moves made by government over the last 20 or 30 years or so.

We are being subjugated by authoritarians exploiting our fears and enticing us with bait to willingly be entrapped.

It has happened in societies before and is happening again.

 

[Paradoxical]

Not sure all of your connections are equally just, but the overall message seems to be on target.

As the US moves further and further away from the idea that an individual can impact and dictate the conditions his own life, we are moving further from the attitudes that made the US a great place to strive and achieve.

Making help available for those in need and mandating the compliance to the party line are two vastly different approaches and seem to describe the moves made by government over the last 20 or 30 years or so.

We are being subjugated by authoritarians exploiting our fears and enticing us with bait to willingly be entrapped.

It has happened in societies before and is happening again.

Those in power use the weak (Democrats) to round up the strong so they can be silenced and/or killed.

 

[code1211]

Those in power use the weak (Democrats) to round up the strong so they can be silenced and/or killed.

I had the misfortune to see the start of a tease presented as NBC "News" featuring a conversation between Chuck Todd and whomever the other propagandist was.

The local NBC affiliate morning show had ended and the propagandists at the network had taken over.

They were bemoaning their stated position that Trump Supporters were fixated on overturning the 2020 and referenced the previous night's rally.

Interestingly, they showed no footage of the previous night's rally. They were, ONCE AGAIN, presenting commentary as if it was reporting.

I suppose that the unwitting victims of their propaganda don't even know they are victimized by these lying propagandists as willing dupes accepting lies as fact.

It's really too bad.

 

[Paradoxical]

I had the misfortune to see the start of a tease presented as NBC "News" featuring a conversation between Chuck Todd and whomever the other propagandist was.

The local NBC affiliate morning show had ended and the propagandists at the network had taken over.

They were bemoaning their stated position that Trump Supporters were fixated on overturning the 2020 and referenced the previous night's rally.

Interestingly, they showed no footage of the previous night's rally. They were, ONCE AGAIN, presenting commentary as if it was reporting.

I suppose that the unwitting victims of their propaganda don't even know they are victimized by these lying propagandists as willing dupes accepting lies as fact.

It's really too bad.

All throughout history humans have been indoctrinated very easily. Hitlers youth being a prime example. Humans relish in control and power over others. The ones you mention on TV are the evil ones, Chuck Todd being a master propagandist. others include Stelter, Cilizza, Joy Reid, Lemon, etc. they are the equivalent of Gestapo leaders directing Hitler youth to round up Jews. The Hitler youth are dead and resurrected into left wing propaganda purveyors who post here.

 

[soap box]

All throughout history humans have been indoctrinated very easily. Hitlers youth being a prime example. Humans relish in control and power over others. The ones you mention on TV are the evil ones, Chuck Todd being a master propagandist. others include Stelter, Cilizza, Joy Reid, Lemon, etc. they are the equivalent of Gestapo leaders directing Hitler youth to round up Jews. The Hitler youth are dead and resurrected into left wing propaganda purveyors who post here.

The equivalent of the gestapo? I really think that normalizes, or reduces the horrors of nazism to say , what?? that nazi germany has been resurrected? That is a huge exaggeratation, and I wouldn't even comment on it except that it makes the nazis look tame, and there is already far too much white nationalism in our midst, many of whom showed up on J6. I don't buy into your claim of some brainwashing theory or mass hypnosis. People who don't agree , like yourselves, you and code, usually just throw a brick at their tv set or simply change the channel. You could choose to reasonably say that the anchors you've named exaggerate or lie, as far as Lemon, I would agree that he lies through exaggeration. But to compare the lot to Hilter and Goebbels would mean that these anchors in our time on tv, beleive that their race will triumph by committing mass murder and genocide. That would be the contemporary white supremesists you're thinking of, not Brian Stetler. You've made a dangerous and reckless exaggeration that makes other skinheads think it's normal and OK.

Besides that , you and Code are totally OT ! Take it to another thread somewhere else on some other website ! ​

 

[soap box]

I had the misfortune to see the start of a tease presented as NBC "News" featuring a conversation between Chuck Todd and whomever the other propagandist was.

The local NBC affiliate morning show had ended and the propagandists at the network had taken over.

They were bemoaning their stated position that Trump Supporters were fixated on overturning the 2020 and referenced the previous night's rally.

Interestingly, they showed no footage of the previous night's rally. They were, ONCE AGAIN, presenting commentary as if it was reporting.

I suppose that the unwitting victims of their propaganda don't even know they are victimized by these lying propagandists as willing dupes accepting lies as fact.

It's really too bad.

I didn't See Chuck this morning but I know what you're talking about. With ot without Chuck, I'm disgusted with Trump and his claims of fraud. With or without the footage of the rally, we are still left with no evidence of fraud in the 2020 election. Even with the AZ audit, Trump has not been able to articulate why or how he claims to have won AZ, and supporters on this website have to do the explaining for him? I have no reason to beleive trump understands any of the suppositions raised by Doug Logan, and to hear Paul Gosar R-AZ try to explain anything about it is completely incoherent. We still have NO evidence of fraud and yes I bemoan along with the others that this has gone way too far .

Besides all that , you and paradoxical are WAY OT ! Get it to another thread somewhere else! OR start your own !​

 

[Paradoxical]

The equivalent of the gestapo? I really think that normalizes, or reduces the horrors of nazism to say , what?? that nazi germany has been resurrected? That is a huge exaggeratation, and I wouldn't even comment on it except that it makes the nazis look tame, and there is already far too much white nationalism in our midst, many of whom showed up on J6. I don't buy into your claim of some brainwashing theory or mass hypnosis. People who don't agree , like yourselves, you and code, usually just throw a brick at their tv set or simply change the channel. You could choose to reasonably say that the anchors you've named exaggerate or lie, as far as Lemon, I would agree that he lies through exaggeration. But to compare the lot to Hilter and Goebbels would mean that these anchors in our time on tv, beleive that their race will triumph by committing mass murder and genocide. That would be the contemporary white supremesists you're thinking of, not Brian Stetler. You've made a dangerous and reckless exaggeration that makes other skinheads think it's normal and OK.

Besides that , you and Code are totally OT ! Take it to another thread somewhere else on some other website ! ​

Your arguments are transparent attempts at trying to instill guilt and shame that I would equate the Democratic Party with Nazism, which, by the way, was a Socialist party. In today’s modern world it is not necessary to physically kill people. The Dems do it by shrugging at people who lose their restaurants, their jobs and therefore the ability to buy food, have shelter, or travel. A slow death from starvation because we are not like your elitist tribe. The Democrats under Biden are evil to the core.

 

[The AntiDonald]

No argument from me that republicans are less vaccinated but the margin isn't near as big as many claim in their partisan attempt to blame Republicans for covid.

No one is blaming republicans FOR Covid. We're blaming some of them for their abysmal response TO Covid.

If it wasn't for mis-information, dis-information and out right lies regarding Covid in general, masks and vaccines, Covid at this point would be in our rear view mirror.

What ever reasons the black community has for refusing the vaccine, we know they are not political. All the rest is coming from the radical right. It is political. And it started with Trump lying to the American people about Covid in the very beginning.

 

[soap box]

Your arguments are transparent attempts at trying to instill guilt and shame that I would equate the Democratic Party with Nazism, which, by the way, was a Socialist party. In today’s modern world it is not necessary to physically kill people. The Dems do it by shrugging at people who lose their restaurants, their jobs and therefore the ability to buy food, have shelter, or travel. A slow death from starvation because we are not like your elitist tribe. The Democrats under Biden are evil to the core.

evil? your exaggerarations and mischaracterizations of "the democrats under Biden" make your credibility ZERO.

 

[code1211]

All throughout history humans have been indoctrinated very easily. Hitlers youth being a prime example. Humans relish in control and power over others. The ones you mention on TV are the evil ones, Chuck Todd being a master propagandist. others include Stelter, Cilizza, Joy Reid, Lemon, etc. they are the equivalent of Gestapo leaders directing Hitler youth to round up Jews. The Hitler youth are dead and resurrected into left wing propaganda purveyors who post here.

Propaganda exists in almost all societies that have functioning media operations. In the US, the propaganda machines have been working since before the Constitution was ratified. Check American news coverage of WW2.

It has only been in the 20th Century that news organizations started to adopt codes of ethics that they violated probably with the presentation of the codes to the public.

Today, reporting is a lost occupation. The moronic idiots hired because they look good on camera think they have thoughts that are valuable. That notion all by itself is high comedy.

When a propaganda rag like the New York Times uses a marketing slogan like "The Paper of Record" and the unknowing dupes accept it as meaning something beyond a marketing slogan, I am astonished.

When ALL of the media drones start to use a word that is foreign to them in the same moment to describe the same thing, THAT should be a RED FLAG.

When the selection of Dick Cheney to be W's running mate was referred to BY EVERY OUTLET to lend "gravitas" to the ticket, it was comical.

The drones had their script to read and they read it. Before Cheney's selection, they would not have known gravitas if it bit their gluteus maximus or hit them in the temporal minimus.

Suddenly they are all parrots squawking the same unusual word that they needed to look up if they were curious what it meant. Of course, they were not curious. Not even concerned. They were told to squawk it and they did.

References to Nazi Germany are not required. The propaganda machines functioning and aimed at us today are far more refined and expanded than anything the Nazis ever imagined.

 

[code1211]

I didn't See Chuck this morning but I know what you're talking about. With ot without Chuck, I'm disgusted with Trump and his claims of fraud. With or without the footage of the rally, we are still left with no evidence of fraud in the 2020 election. Even with the AZ audit, Trump has not been able to articulate why or how he claims to have won AZ, and supporters on this website have to do the explaining for him? I have no reason to beleive trump understands any of the suppositions raised by Doug Logan, and to hear Paul Gosar R-AZ try to explain anything about it is completely incoherent. We still have NO evidence of fraud and yes I bemoan along with the others that this has gone way too far .

Besides all that , you and paradoxical are WAY OT ! Get it to another thread somewhere else! OR start your own !​

As often happens when injustices are enacted that are not specifically illegal, laws are crafted to make the unjust actions illegal.

It's been happening all over the country. I believe it's still happening. I could be wrong, but legislatures are continuing to meet on schedules locally scheduled on a regular basis.

In the last election, Pennsylvania made it illegal to verify the identities of voters. Michigan did the same.

Obviously politically motivated extra-legal moves to change the outcomes of the elections. Not illegal. Just outside the laws and not addressed by the laws on the books.

Like the propaganda issued before the election manifested both in the omissions and commissions of the media, things that are not illegal can be unjust and unethical.

Once discovered, some of the injustices can be corrected with laws passed to address them.

Voting Laws Roundup: July 2021

Eighteen states have already enacted 30 laws this year that will make it harder for Americans to vote.

www.brennancenter.org

<snip>
Between January 1 and July 14, 2021, at least 18 states enacted 30 laws that restrict access to the vote.footnote1_jfxdrbx1 These laws make mail voting and early voting more difficult, impose harsher voter ID requirements, and make faulty voter purges more likely, among other things. More than 400 bills with provisions that restrict voting access have been introduced in 49 states in the 2021 legislative sessions.
<snip>

Judging only by the vast majority of states addressing the voting improprieties they witnessed, actions are being taken to correct the issues recognized as being problematic.

 

[VanceMack]

If you listen to the media and the leftists in this country you would absolutely think that COVID IS the equivalent of the zombie apocalypse. "Ohmygarsh run....we're all gonna diiieeeeeeee!!!"

Except...well...like the Zombe Apocalypse, the threat regarding COVID isnt exactly real either. OK...its 'real'...its just not killing everyone dead in the streets. Approx 1 in 3 Americans have contracted COVID. Thats about 115 million to date. 99.6% of those people have recovered from COVID and have naturally immunity that far surpasses the protections afforded by the COVID 'vaccine'. Of the .4% that died, 96% of those people had on average 4 co-morbid ailments that were each in and of themselves potentially life threatening. counted in the approx 3.2 million people that die annually from those co-morbid ailments associated with poor health, unhealthy lifestyle choices, or just plain old age, are the 600,000 people that were likely to die anyway.

12-60,000 people die annually from the flu. That includes up to 600 children per the CDC estimates. "CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million - 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 - 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 - 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."

Of course, before COVID, people that were morbidly obese and had diabetes, hypertension, and 2 other document-able potentially fatal illnesses didnt die from 'the flu'...the died because they were morbidly obese and had diabetes, hypertension, and had 2 other document-able potentially fatal illnesses.

Add in to that the fact that we know now the vaccines only last about 6 months (thats right...while you are bleating on about the un-vaccinated, if you got the shots in March or April...thats you...) that the heads of the drug companies have already stated that the new strains require new formulas...not just more of the same shot, and that there are thousands of doctors, scientists, immunologists, virologists and other experts in the field that have expressed real and legit concerns over the vaccine...and its not hard to understand why some arent thrilled about the shot.

 

[Rawley]

I still am astounded at the irony of this; people don't beleive trump and graham when they have good advice, but if they claim election fraud they believe it like the gospel.

It's becasue oft he media you consume, telling you what "people" believe.

 

[soap box]

As often happens when injustices are enacted that are not specifically illegal, laws are crafted to make the unjust actions illegal.

It's been happening all over the country. I believe it's still happening. I could be wrong, but legislatures are continuing to meet on schedules locally scheduled on a regular basis.

In the last election, Pennsylvania made it illegal to verify the identities of voters. Michigan did the same.

Obviously politically motivated extra-legal moves to change the outcomes of the elections. Not illegal. Just outside the laws and not addressed by the laws on the books.

Like the propaganda issued before the election manifested both in the omissions and commissions of the media, things that are not illegal can be unjust and unethical.

Once discovered, some of the injustices can be corrected with laws passed to address them.

Voting Laws Roundup: July 2021

Eighteen states have already enacted 30 laws this year that will make it harder for Americans to vote.

www.brennancenter.org

<snip>
Between January 1 and July 14, 2021, at least 18 states enacted 30 laws that restrict access to the vote.footnote1_jfxdrbx1 These laws make mail voting and early voting more difficult, impose harsher voter ID requirements, and make faulty voter purges more likely, among other things. More than 400 bills with provisions that restrict voting access have been introduced in 49 states in the 2021 legislative sessions.
<snip>

Judging only by the vast majority of states addressing the voting improprieties they witnessed, actions are being taken to correct the issues recognized as being problematic.

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