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Kevin Spacey Accused of Sexual Misconduct by ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Actor

yankintx said:
The kid was 14 !!! Underage in all 50 States. The kid was at a Hollywood party unsupervised, were are his parents. No way would I let my son or daughter attend one of those parties. Elija Wood has stated the perverts run unchecked in Hollywood, his parents occumpanied the young man EVERYWERE !! Smart parents !!
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The parents of show kids are often part of the problem. They find it very easy to look the other way.
 
pillars said:
A 26 year old humping a 14 year old is pedophilia.

I hesitate to comment on your grandparents' marriage, and in light of the fact that we are anonymous on the internet, I'm not sure that it matters.
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Nope. Paedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
 
pillars said:
It doesn't matter that Spacey stopped. It doesn't matter that they weren't naked. By the definition of most state laws, he sexually assaulted a 14 year old.
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I'm not sure you're correct about the laws. Your definition of "sexual assault" is different from that of the DOJs, remember.

But, even if you're right is that how the laws read in the 80s? At the time the incident happened?
 
HowardBThiname said:
I can't know that -- but he's with older males and I'm just giving you the definition of pedophilia. According to that -- he wouldn't qualify
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Right, but according to one eyewitness (the victim) he likes to get busy with just more then just older guys, he likes the 14-year olds as well.

Of course thats all just hearsay, but going by his semi-confession on twitter it sure doesnt look good
 
Desert Storm said:
Right, but according to one eyewitness (the victim) he likes to get busy with just more then just older guys, he likes the 14-year olds as well.

Of course thats all just hearsay, but going by his semi-confession on twitter it sure doesnt look good
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Maybe, I've not heard that, but if so, he may have a problem.
 
Deuce said:
Your 15 year old daughter brings home her new boyfriend. He's 22 and they've been having sex. How would you respond?
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Call the cops and see if she goes to jail for lying about her age or if he goes to jail for rape.
 
Now that House of Cards is cancelled, Americans are left in the frankly bizarre situation of holding their fictional President to a higher moral standard than the actual President.
 
Aristaeus said:
Nope. Paedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
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14 yr old males are prepubescent? 14 yr old teens are sexually active and for many, they're already actively seeking it.

Some girls too.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Now that House of Cards is cancelled, Americans are left in the frankly bizarre situation of holding their fictional President to a higher moral standard than the actual President.
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As much of a caricature of Bill Clinton that Frank Underwood is, he never quite captured the pure evil of 42.
 
Lursa said:
14 yr old males are prepubescent? 14 yr old teens are sexually active and for many, they're already actively seeking it.

Some girls too.
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No, which is why this Spacey thing isn't paedophilia as some are claiming.
 
yankintx said:
The kid was 14 !!! Underage in all 50 States. The kid was at a Hollywood party unsupervised, were are his parents. No way would I let my son or daughter attend one of those parties. Elija Wood has stated the perverts run unchecked in Hollywood, his parents occumpanied the young man EVERYWERE !! Smart parents !!
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Yep.

Corey Feldman has been about screaming this for years and years, and nobody paid any attention at all. Pedophilia and sexual assault runs rampant in Hollywood.

Roman Polanskis and Woody Allens everywhere.

Evan Rachel Wood says there is a MASSIVE pedophilia ring in Hollywood.
 
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The purge begins. All these sick ****s that use their position of great influence to try to sexually dominate people while pretending its all innocent.

Andy Dick

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/andy-dick-fired-film-sexual-145044262.html

Dick denies groping anyone, but tells THR that it’s likely he licked people and admits to making propositions. “My middle name is ‘misconduct.’ They know what they signed up for,” he said. “I didn’t grope anybody. I might have kissed somebody on the cheek to say good-bye and then licked them. That’s my thing
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Grope first, ask questions later, pretend its innocent.
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And then there is stuff like this which gets less attention, but also not saying that hollywood groping isnt a problem

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...with-rape-after-a-teens-desperate-public-plea

According to the Brooklyn District Attorney's office, the detectives abandoned a buy-and-bust drug operation in Coney Island and stopped the teenager while she was driving with two young men in Calvert Vaux Park in Gravesend. After she admitted she had some loose pills of Klonopin and a small amount of marijuana, she was cuffed and forced to call her friends from the phone of a detective so they could be instructed not to follow her, the indictment said.

"[Martins] said they were freaks and [asked] what did she want to do to get out of her desk ticket [for the drugs]," Assistant DA Frank DeGaetano recounted in court Monday. "Instead of uncuffing the complainant, [Martins] made the cuffs tighter."

Martins then forced the woman to perform oral sex on him before raping her while she cried for him to stop, DeGaetano said. Afterward, Hall stopped the van in the parking lot of the Chipotle on Cropsey Avenue, climbed into the third row, and "held her head onto his penis until he ejaculated into her mouth," the prosecutor charged.
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I don't get why people are so pissed about Spacey.

1) this is a single accuser recollecting a single incident from 30 years ago.
2) this does sound like either statutory rape or molestation, though Spacey managed to restrain himself when it became clear that it wasn't consensual.
3) Spacey didn't attack his accuser in ANY way. I know a lot of people are going to focus on the negative parts of this, but there's a lot of decency in Spacey's present day response to something he did 30 years ago.
4) i don't know how it was to be a 26 year old gay man in the 80s. I'd love for "the gay card" to have no value, but we're not quite there yet today and this incident was from 30 years ago.
5) i don't know that Spacey took actions to overpower and suppress this story. A lot of the horror about these Weinstein etc stories is how they leverage their power so as to restrain their victim inside a continued pattern of abuse.

So while the fact that Spacey was almost twice as old as this boy was disgusting. The fact that Spacey humped him is disgusting. These things fit under the category of sexual assault, if not also rape. Still, those categories are VERY broad, which is something to keep in mind.

I would also point out that incidents are somewhat inevitable, but we have a habit of, once the momentum has built, smacking all similar events with the same wrecking ball. I would urge caution over carelessness in this regard.

In particular with respect to number 3), i think we need to be prepared to differentiate sexual assailants who show remorse for their actions from sexual assailants who do not. So while i condemn Spacey's actions, i respect his present day response.
 
Absentglare said:
I don't get why people are so pissed about Spacey.

1) this is a single accuser recollecting a single incident from 30 years ago.
2) this does sound like either statutory rape or molestation, though Spacey managed to restrain himself when it became clear that it wasn't consensual.
3) Spacey didn't attack his accuser in ANY way. I know a lot of people are going to focus on the negative parts of this, but there's a lot of decency in Spacey's present day response to something he did 30 years ago.
4) i don't know how it was to be a 26 year old gay man in the 80s. I'd love for "the gay card" to have no value, but we're not quite there yet today and this incident was from 30 years ago.
5) i don't know that Spacey took actions to overpower and suppress this story. A lot of the horror about these Weinstein etc stories is how they leverage their power so as to restrain their victim inside a continued pattern of abuse.

So while the fact that Spacey was almost twice as old as this boy was disgusting. The fact that Spacey humped him is disgusting. These things fit under the category of sexual assault, if not also rape. Still, those categories are VERY broad, which is something to keep in mind.

I would also point out that incidents are somewhat inevitable, but we have a habit of, once the momentum has built, smacking all similar events with the same wrecking ball. I would urge caution over carelessness in this regard.

In particular with respect to number 3), i think we need to be prepared to differentiate sexual assailants who show remorse for their actions from sexual assailants who do not. So while i condemn Spacey's actions, i respect his present day response.
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There is a HOLLYWOOD CLEANSING/PURGE on, how far it it goes nobody knows.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I read that neither one disrobed and that the kid didn't say no for a few minutes. When he did -- Spacey stopped. That's according to the kid -- Spacey says he doesn't remember it at all.
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And in America today this is so evil that Spacey once we find out that someone accuses him of it 30 years later can no longer be allowed to work.

He is not pure enough for that privilege anymore.

We have gone :screwy

Its the elites fault.
 
Absentglare said:
I don't get why people are so pissed about Spacey.

1) this is a single accuser recollecting a single incident from 30 years ago.
2) this does sound like either statutory rape or molestation, though Spacey managed to restrain himself when it became clear that it wasn't consensual.
3) Spacey didn't attack his accuser in ANY way. I know a lot of people are going to focus on the negative parts of this, but there's a lot of decency in Spacey's present day response to something he did 30 years ago.
4) i don't know how it was to be a 26 year old gay man in the 80s. I'd love for "the gay card" to have no value, but we're not quite there yet today and this incident was from 30 years ago.
5) i don't know that Spacey took actions to overpower and suppress this story. A lot of the horror about these Weinstein etc stories is how they leverage their power so as to restrain their victim inside a continued pattern of abuse.

So while the fact that Spacey was almost twice as old as this boy was disgusting. The fact that Spacey humped him is disgusting. These things fit under the category of sexual assault, if not also rape. Still, those categories are VERY broad, which is something to keep in mind.

I would also point out that incidents are somewhat inevitable, but we have a habit of, once the momentum has built, smacking all similar events with the same wrecking ball. I would urge caution over carelessness in this regard.

In particular with respect to number 3), i think we need to be prepared to differentiate sexual assailants who show remorse for their actions from sexual assailants who do not. So while i condemn Spacey's actions, i respect his present day response.
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Do you honestly think this was the only incident for Spacey? Pedophilia is said to be RAMPANT in Hollywood, according to multiple people in that circle.

Perhaps this explains the life struggles of people like McCauley Culkin, Corey Feldman, Dana Plato, Lark Voorhies, Corey Haim, etc, etc, or maybe even Robert Downey Jr. or Michael Jackson.

Imagine the conflict within the industry establishment leaders like Meryl Streep, Tom Hanks, etc, that have to know about this ugly underbelly. There is enough complicit guilt for all of them.
 
Absentglare said:
I support the cleansing/purge, it is long overdue. I just caution against overshoot.
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We are already there, as proven by how far we are willing to go to hurt Spacey on the back of a 30 year old memory where even according to the memory which almost certainly has exaggerated what really happened not much happened.

This is a purity drive of a strength that has not been seen during all of my lifetime.

We are moving in reverse.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
And in America today this is so evil that Spacey once we find out that someone accuses him of it 30 years later can no longer be allowed to work.

He is not pure enough for that privilege anymore.

We have gone :screwy

Its the elites fault
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Its the statute of limitation thats the real problem. Thankfully Brown put an end to all this nonsense:

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/09/california-statute-of-limitations/502307/

Unfortunately its not retroactive, so it doesnt apply to Corey Feldman
 
Erod said:
Do you honestly think this was the only incident for Spacey?
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Great question. I hope not, but i also hope that anyone else with such an experience will use this opportunity to air their grievances.

Erod said:
Pedophilia is said to be RAMPANT in Hollywood, according to multiple people in that circle.

Perhaps this explains the life struggles of people like McCauley Culkin, Corey Feldman, Dana Plato, Lark Voorhies, Corey Haim, etc, etc, or maybe even Robert Downey Jr. or Michael Jackson.

Imagine the conflict within the industry establishment leaders like Meryl Streep, Tom Hanks, etc, that have to know about this ugly underbelly. There is enough complicit guilt for all of them.
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Individual are ultimately only responsible for their individual behavior.
 
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