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Kerik told Jan. 6 panel that former Army colonel came up with idea to seize voting machines

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Kerik told Jan. 6 panel that former Army colonel came up with idea to seize voting machines ​


A former member of President Donald Trump’s legal team told the Jan. 6 committee that former Army colonel Phil Waldron first came up with the idea of Trump issuing an executive order to seize voting machines, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Earlier this month, Bernie Kerik — who worked with Rudy Giuliani on Trump’s legal efforts to find evidence of voter fraud — told the select committee that Phil Waldron originated the scheme, which would almost certainly have been illegal. A person familiar with Kerik’s testimony, who was not authorized to discuss it publicly, described it in detail to POLITICO.
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Last week, the select committee obtained a copy of a draft executive order written for Trump. The order, which Trump did not issue, would have directed the Defense secretary to seize voting machines. It also would have given the secretary 60 days to write an assessment of the 2020 election — a timeline that would have expired a month after Biden’s inauguration day. POLITICO published the text of the draft order last week.
Waldron is best known for circulating a 38-page PowerPoint presentation that urged Trump to declare a state of emergency in the wake of the election, as The Washington Post has detailed. That presentation found its way into the inbox of Mark Meadows while he was White House chief of staff. Meadows passed the presentation to the select committee last year, and his lawyer has said Meadows did nothing with it. Waldron has said he briefed members of Congress on the findings detailed in the presentation, including claims about voter fraud.



Kerik and Waldron both worked with Giuliani on Trump’s post-election outside legal team. POLITICO could not independently confirm Kerik’s claim to the committee about Waldron and the voting machines, but Waldron is a key focus of the committee. On Dec. 16, the committee subpoenaed him for documents and testimony, citing the PowerPoint presentation. Kerik’s testimony to the committee came after investigators issued the subpoena.
In his voluntary interview with the committee, Kerik also called the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol “counterproductive,” according to the source. Kerik indicated that the riot eliminated any hope he and his team had of getting government authorities to take their fraud allegations seriously.
Additionally, Kerik discussed friction regarding Trump attorney Sidney Powell, as well as financial frustrations. He noted that he struggled even to get reimbursement for his stays at the Willard hotel, and that he was paying for his lawyer out of his own pocket.
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Michael Cole said:
I gave it a like, but the unauthorized leaks need to stop
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What makes you think this leak was "unauthorized"? Just because the person doing the leaking says it is?

It is quite common for those in power to leak stuff that can be spun to support their false narrative and, when doing so, their minions who do the actual leaking just tell the media that they are unauthorized. That keep everyone...including those who concoct the scam narrative...protected from exposure.
 

Kerik told Jan. 6 panel that former Army colonel came up with idea to seize voting machines​


This has been making the media rounds for a couple of weeks now. The more interesting question is: Was the Colonel active military at the time and if he was not what the hell was he doing spending gray matter on voting machines. Whether he was or was not retired at the time what the hell was Meadows doing allowing this crap to make it to the Oval. Seems to me that Meadows was the filter that filtered NOTHING. The chief job of the COS at the WH is to filter crap away from the Oval and the President. If you are not doing that, whatever else you are doing as COS simply does not matter.
 
Mycroft said:
What makes you think this leak was "unauthorized"? Just because the person doing the leaking says it is?

It is quite common for those in power to leak stuff that can be spun to support their false narrative and, when doing so, their minions who do the actual leaking just tell the media that they are unauthorized. That keep everyone...including those who concoct the scam narrative...protected from exposure.
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Yeah, because it says so. I don't go by what's in your imagination, whatever that is.
 
Jay Falcon said:
You have no problem with Trump's planned coup.
We already know that. No need to remind us in every ****ing thread.
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Except there was no coup, no coup planned and no coup performed.

Another "thing that never happened" that never happened.
 
code1211 said:
Except there was no coup, no coup planned and no coup performed.

Another "thing that never happened" that never happened.
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There was a coup planed and attempted, simply unsuccessful in the end.
 
My My...how strident the Right is getting. Must be desperation seeping in if not flooding in.
 
Mycroft said:
almost certainly have been illegal​

In other words, nobody really knows for sure if that action would have been illegal.

But that doesn't matter, does it? If we keep saying it "might" be illegal, we can keep pushing a false narrative that Trump wanted to do something illegal...even though nobody actually did it.
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using the military to seize voting machines would be a self coup, definitely illegal.
 
code1211 said:
Except there was no coup, no coup planned and no coup performed.

Another "thing that never happened" that never happened.
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I wonder where you will draw the line on Trump and his people?
 
SCrider said:
Anyone who is not a ****ed up Trump sucker.
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In other words...anyone who is a Trump hater.

I'll go with the law instead of hate. You, of course, are free to go with the hate, instead.
 
Mycroft said:
In other words...anyone who is a Trump hater.

I'll go with the law instead of hate. You, of course, are free to go with the hate, instead.
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You side with fascism and lawlessness in every post.
 
Mycroft said:
What makes you think this leak was "unauthorized"? Just because the person doing the leaking says it is?

It is quite common for those in power to leak stuff that can be spun to support their false narrative and, when doing so, their minions who do the actual leaking just tell the media that they are unauthorized. That keep everyone...including those who concoct the scam narrative...protected from exposure.
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The president had dozens of courts look at his evidence of fraud and shoot him down because he had absolutely no proof. Then that president and his minions come up with plans to forge election documents and seize voting machines that belong to the states and your response is "but is it illegal to try to overturn a democracy? lolz"

You have lost the plot if you don't get how dangerous this is. Seriously, just picture the dems doing this.

Biden runs in 2024 and loses by tens of thousands of votes in a handful of states. He goes to the courts and provides no real evidence of fraud. So he gets democratic state legislatures to forge election documents, he convinces Kamala Harris to not count the republican electors on January 6th, he takes all of the voting machines in those states and has his chronies inspect them and declare that they were used in a manor that lost him the election and he stays in the Whitehouse. What would you say to me if Joe Biden tried that and my response was "but what law did he break?"
 
Jay Falcon said:
You side with fascism and lawlessness in every post.
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roughdraft274 said:
The president had dozens of courts look at his evidence of fraud and shoot him down because he had absolutely no proof. Then that president and his minions come up with plans to forge election documents and seize voting machines that belong to the states and your response is "but is it illegal to try to overturn a democracy? lolz"

You have lost the plot if you don't get how dangerous this is. Seriously, just picture the dems doing this.

Biden runs in 2024 and loses by tens of thousands of votes in a handful of states. He goes to the courts and provides no real evidence of fraud. So he gets democratic state legislatures to forge election documents, he convinces Kamala Harris to not count the republican electors on January 6th, he takes all of the voting machines in those states and has his chronies inspect them and declare that they were used in a manor that lost him the election and he stays in the Whitehouse. What would you say to me if Joe Biden tried that and my response was "but what law did he break?"
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yawn...personal attacks and lies.

I don't think this is my first double dismissal and I'm certain it won't be my last.

You both are dismissed.
 
Mycroft said:
yawn...personal attacks and lies.

I don't think this is my first double dismissal and I'm certain it won't be my last.

You both are dismissed.
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Mycroft's traditional I lost the argument or I don't even have an argument.
 
Mycroft said:
yawn...personal attacks and lies.

I don't think this is my first double dismissal and I'm certain it won't be my last.

You both are dismissed.
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Pretends to care about (fake) election fraud.

Sees no problem with Trump ordering the military to seize voting machines.
 
jnug said:
There was a coup planed and attempted, simply unsuccessful in the end.
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Another in the nonexistent line of coups conducted, apparently, by people who were not armed, did not announce or endorse that goal and did not not even know about it?

You have an odd idea of what a coup is.
 
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