Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts

[Uncensored2008]

I love science.

Well, you love big government anyway.

That's why i think RFK Jr. is a worthless piece of shit who isn't qualified to run a hot dog cart in front of Wall Street let alone a Federal agency.

Besides, RFK is an enemy of the party. Plus, he isn't boosting big pharma...

 

[NOLA Dude]

I love science. That's why i think RFK Jr. is a worthless piece of shit who isn't qualified to run a hot dog cart in front of Wall Street let alone a Federal agency.

You don't like science if you are against the gold standard of long term placebo controlled safety studies. You cant even make a post on this without the juvenile insults lol

 

[NOLA Dude]

Not exactly. The polio vaccine study was the first of many, similar studies with each using the previous vaccine as the benchmark through active control groups. As a result, 70 years of safety studies have occurred for that vaccine alone.

Goal post shifting noted. You keep deflecting to anything besides long term placebo controlled safety studies.

Now, since you want one modern example:

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/225/9/1513/5870825

Thats not on the childhood vaccines schedule. Another swing and a miss. I think you've stuck out by now.

 

[Revelation]

Goal post shifting noted. You keep deflecting to anything besides long term placebo controlled safety studies.

Thats not on the childhood vaccines schedule. Another swing and a miss. I think you've stuck out by now.

thanks NOla, your medical posting is fabulous.

in addition you expose the Low Level of medical intelligence on this forum. many people would rather Die than think, and they do

i doubt very many have studied the issue from both sides, and it shows.

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[Fledermaus]

You don't like science if you are against the gold standard of long term placebo controlled safety studies. You cant even make a post on this without the juvenile insults lol

Placebo testing for vaccines that address potentially fatal diseases?

 

[Xilnik]

Goal post shifting noted. You keep deflecting to anything besides long term placebo controlled safety studies.

Thats not on the childhood vaccines schedule. Another swing and a miss. I think you've stuck out by now.

It wasn't moving goalposts. What you want exists in that form for a reason. Vaccines have multi-year safety studies through their use as opposed to through long-term placebo trials. They start with short-term placebo trials, but withholding them from the public raises ethical concerns due to failure to prevent widespread health issues. This isn't just limited to the US but occurs in all advanced nations.

Placebo use in vaccine trials: Recommendations of a WHO expert panel - PMC

Placebo controls may be acceptable even when an efficacious vaccine exists, in the following four possible situations: When developing a locally affordable vaccine. When evaluating the local safety and efficacy of an existing vaccine. When testing a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

To follow your expectations and RFK Jr.'s recommendation will be a death sentence for millions of children. Is that your goal?

 

[George50]

Its the best system we have that doesnt capture even close to all of the vaccine injuries and it was set up purposely to protect big pharma.

Silly conspiracy theory. Not having a system to capture data would be the best way to protect big Pharma.

Post a link to one

No Association Between Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest and COVID-19 Vaccination - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

For the covid vaccine yes there is.

Wrong. Post a link to a study.

You aren't even mentioning all the people with long covid(vaccine injured)

There is no such thing as a vaccine injured long Covid. Covid causes long Covid. If you don’t get Covid then you don’t get long Covid. If anything you are less likely to get long Covid if you are vaccinated.

or the turbo cancers that are popping up in age groups thats never been seen before.

Another conspiracy theory.

"Turbo cancer" is a term used by vaccine opponents to claim that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are causing aggressive, rapidly progressing cancers
. However, this is a conspiracy theory with no scientific backing and has been widely debunked by scientists and medical professionals.
Here's why claims of "turbo cancer" are unfounded:

• There is no scientific evidence to support the idea that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer, lead to recurrence, or accelerate disease progression. The National Cancer Institute and Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center have stated this.
• Some claims misinterpret a case study involving a mouse that developed cancer after receiving a very high dose of an mRNA vaccine. However, this study does not support the "turbo cancer" theory because correlation does not prove causation, the dose was significantly higher than human doses, and the mouse strain is prone to developing lymphomas.
• An increase in late-stage cancer diagnoses after the pandemic is more likely a result of delayed screenings and healthcare disruptions, not "turbo cancer".
• There is no plausible biological mechanism for mRNA vaccines to cause cancer. The mRNA provides temporary instructions to cells and quickly degrades without altering DNA.

In summary, "turbo cancer" is a baseless claim linked to anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation.

 

[George50]

So don't trust conclusions because they're all subjects to change.

Here’s where we definitely differ.

Unless you have evidence and can use that evidence to prove the conclusions wrong then it is irrational not to base your actions on conclusions arrived at through the scientific method.

If you have such proof then for the benefit of society you should publish your proof.

You're preaching to the choir.

I believe that you are singing off key.

 

[CLAX1911]

Here’s where we definitely differ.

Unless you have evidence and can use that evidence to prove the conclusions wrong then it is irrational not to base your actions on conclusions arrived at through the scientific method.

No that's not how that works not logically at least. In conclusion can certainly be disputed but it has to be proven right.

If you have such proof then for the benefit of society you should publish your proof.

No you don't provide unicorns don't exist you have to prove that they do otherwise it's safe to assume they didn't y

I believe that you are singing off key.

I said preaching not conducting.

 

[George50]

How can they say the vaccines are safe is they never did safety studies? Thats not science. Thats more like a religion.

You are just repeating Kennedy’s lies:

Those lies caught the attention of Dr Jake Scott.

Scott launched a project in April to round up every randomized and placebo-controlled clinical trial of vaccines in the medical literature, including studies run in other countries, since some vaccines used in the US are tested overseas.

It took five weeks to arrive at a number: There have been 258 randomized, controlled clinical trials of vaccines, according to Scott and a team of volunteers who scoured databases of medical literature. More than half of those studies — 153 — tested vaccines against placebos, and 127 of those studies used inert placebos.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/05/health/vaccine-placebo-studies-kennedy

And this:

Fact Checked: Childhood Vaccines Are Carefully Studied—Including with Placebos—to Ensure They’re Safe and Effective

www.aap.org

 

[Xilnik]

You are just repeating Kennedy’s lies:

Those lies caught the attention of Dr Jake Scott.

Scott launched a project in April to round up every randomized and placebo-controlled clinical trial of vaccines in the medical literature, including studies run in other countries, since some vaccines used in the US are tested overseas.

It took five weeks to arrive at a number: There have been 258 randomized, controlled clinical trials of vaccines, according to Scott and a team of volunteers who scoured databases of medical literature. More than half of those studies — 153 — tested vaccines against placebos, and 127 of those studies used inert placebos.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/05/health/vaccine-placebo-studies-kennedy

And this:

Fact Checked: Childhood Vaccines Are Carefully Studied—Including with Placebos—to Ensure They’re Safe and Effective

www.aap.org

The problem is that @NOLA Dude wants long-term placebo studies. I went through Scott's list, and only a handful meet that criteria (most are short-term), and none of them are childhood scheduled vaccines. The closest I found was Malaria with a 17-month period of testing. None of that is surprising given the ethical implications of delaying a vaccine for long-term studies; you and I know that. Those studies occur through staggered release of vaccines over time, and they provide the same safety analysis a long-term placebo study would provide.

Unfortunately, no one seems to be able to explain that to NOLA Dude and other vaccine skeptics in a way that makes any impact on their agenda.

 

[Fearandloathing]

How can they say the vaccines are safe is they never did safety studies? Thats not science. Thats more like a religion.

No.

No "safety study"............ just decades of historical data and success.

Tell me, did polio go away all by itself?

Magic? A unicorn?

No it was a vaccine.

 

[George50]

The problem is that @NOLA Dude wants long-term placebo studies. I went through Scott's list, and only a handful meet that criteria (most are short-term), and none of them are childhood scheduled vaccines. The closest I found was Malaria with a 17-month period of testing. None of that is surprising given the ethical implications of delaying a vaccine for long-term studies; you and I know that. Those studies occur through staggered release of vaccines over time, and they provide the same safety analysis a long-term placebo study would provide.

Unfortunately, no one seems to be able to explain that to NOLA Dude and other vaccine skeptics in a way that makes any impact on their agenda.

I was replying to NolaDude’s comment:

How can they say the vaccines are safe is they never did safety studies?

Nothing about long term.nHowever, you are correct, he will always whine about something. If you come up with 5 year studies, he will say that’s not enough. Best we can do is to show others that what he is saying is incorrect.

Thank God no one was listening to Kennedy or NolaDude during Covid or we would have had millions more people dying!

 

[George50]

No that's not how that works not logically at least. In conclusion can certainly be disputed but it has to be proven right.

The conclusion is proven right based on the evidence available, otherwise it wouldn’t pass peer review. If you have new or conflicting evidence that results in a different conclusion, fine, then publish it. Conspiracy theories don’t count!

As I said before. Unless you have evidence and can use that evidence to prove the conclusions wrong then it is irrational not to base your actions on conclusions arrived at through the scientific method.

Just saying you don’t believe something is true because someday someone might have a different theory is irrational. We’d all still be living in caves with that attitude.

No you don't provide unicorns don't exist you have to prove that they do otherwise it's safe to assume they didn't y

Nonsense. See above.

I said preaching not conducting.

 

[CLAX1911]

The conclusion is proven right based on the evidence available,

If it was proven right it cannot be disproven unless of course it wasn't proven right that's a catch-22

otherwise it wouldn’t pass peer review.

Unless peer review is a joke and we've seen it be the punchline.

If you have new or conflicting evidence that results in a different conclusion, fine, then publish it. Conspiracy theories don’t count!

If you have that then it wasn't proven what's proven cannot be disproved proven means absolute fact. You can't disapprove the Earth is spherical that's absolutely proven

As I said before. Unless you have evidence and can use that evidence to prove the conclusions wrong

As I said that is not how it works. You have to prove it correct I don't have to prove unicorns don't exist

then it is irrational not to base your actions on conclusions arrived at through the scientific method.

So this is something you do yourself or are you trusting an apperatus that can be flawed even without being corrupted?

Just saying you don’t believe something is true because someday someone might have a different theory is irrational. We’d all still be living in caves with that attitude.

I typically doubt things because there isn't enough evidence for the people eager to agree with it

Nonsense. See above.

You're wrong.

 

[Quag]

thanks NOla, your medical posting is fabulous.

in addition you expose the Low Level of medical intelligence on this forum. many people would rather Die than think, and they do

i doubt very many have studied the issue from both sides, and it shows.

.

Very true but not in the way you think it is

 

[Revelation]

Very true but not in the way you think it is

meh, Nola works in the medical field and so have i.

much of the problem with this is that many are knowledgeable in a small part of medicine and they are always 'right'.

when i tell them that there are 8 distinct modalities in the medical field, they draw a blank. most here are just promoting aleopathic drug based medicine put out by Pharma and their PR; they can't get past that for whatever reason.

when i talk to doctors concerning issues, an easy test of this is ask about fasting, or nutrition; as a rule they really don't know or try to laugh it off. forget herbalism, way beyond their education, but that is a quick check for what you are dealing with.

you can inquire about Vaccines, and ask what down sides to the vax there might be. if their answers sound like Pharma PR, then you know what shallow medical people they really are.

some break out and are of real help. my friend was suffering from the Canadian fires and PM2.5; most of her doctors were Zero help and said she had cancer. groan, she didn't, just a Lung infection..........but people this is what you get if not awake and aware.

i can go on and @NOLA Dude can too, but if you are not open to basics, then why bother. Nola has a lot more patience for Deaf ears, you all bump into the Truth, shake yourself off, and act as if nothing happened.

typical for sheep, they would rather die, than think...........and they do.



blessings and health from above my friends. things are deeper than you think.

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edit, this is for extra credit if you have gotten this far: Fasting Can Save Your Life by Herbert M. Shelton (Author). this doctor saves lives at his clinic that other Doctors can't deal with. for the open minded only please, carry on sheep.

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[Quag]

meh, Nola works in the medical field and so have i.

much of the problem with this is that many are knowledgeable in a small part of medicine and they are always 'right'.

when i tell them that there are 8 distinct modalities in the medical field, they draw a blank. most here are just promoting aleopathic drug based medicine put out by Pharma and their PR; they can't get past that for whatever reason.

when i talk to doctors concerning issues, an easy test of this is ask about fasting, or nutrition; as a rule they really don't know or try to laugh it off. forget herbalism, way beyond their education, but that is a quick check for what you are dealing with.

you can inquire about Vaccines, and ask what down sides to the vax there might be. if their answers sound like Pharma PR, then you know what shallow medical people they really are.

some break out and are of real help. my friend was suffering from the Canadian fires and PM2.5; most of her doctors were Zero help and said she had cancer. groan, she didn't, just a Lung infection..........but people this is what you get if not awake and aware.

i can go on and @NOLA Dude can too, but if you are not open to basics, then why bother. Nola has a lot more patience for Deaf ears, you all bump into the Truth, shake yourself off, and act as if nothing happened.

typical for sheep, they would rather die, than think...........and they do.



blessings and health from above my friends. things are deeper than you think.

.
edit, this is for extra credit if you have gotten this far: Fasting Can Save Your Life by Herbert M. Shelton (Author). this doctor saves lives at his clinic that other Doctors can't deal with. for the open minded only please, carry on sheep.

.

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Meh, your posts are long on words short on reality

 

[Revelation]

Meh, your posts are long on words short on reality

of course because you think so, not much Reality Thinking or deeper thinking. so walk on by huh?

until what is written will save you from tons of issues, that most are ignorant of.

start with the book Fasting can save your life. try it and open mind a smidge and come back.

we can move on from there.

if not, then have a goooood day.


blessings.


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[Uncensored2008]

You are just repeating Kennedy’s lies:

Those lies caught the attention of Dr Jake Scott.

Scott launched a project in April to round up every randomized and placebo-controlled clinical trial of vaccines in the medical literature, including studies run in other countries, since some vaccines used in the US are tested overseas.

It took five weeks to arrive at a number: There have been 258 randomized, controlled clinical trials of vaccines, according to Scott and a team of volunteers who scoured databases of medical literature. More than half of those studies — 153 — tested vaccines against placebos, and 127 of those studies used inert placebos.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/05/health/vaccine-placebo-studies-kennedy

And this:

Fact Checked: Childhood Vaccines Are Carefully Studied—Including with Placebos—to Ensure They’re Safe and Effective

www.aap.org

The problem with the left is that absolute obedience to the party makes things religious in nature. To the left, there is only one "vaccine" that is used for everything. Hence, if you point out that the mRNA sequencer for Covid (which isn't a vaccine) doesn't work - then you are branded "heretic" "anti-vaxxer" etc. Never mind that one fully supports measles, mumps, diphtheria, etc. vaccines - if one questions the holy "One Vax" then they are infidels.

The left is anti-scientific. You must BELIEVE or be damned. No one may ever question - the party is the one truth and infallible. Facts that more people with the mRNA sequencers die FROM COVID than those who did not take the shot only garners anger in the faithful, thinking is forbidden.

Since 2020, the instance of fatal heart attacks has risen 17% among Americans. The cause is not definitive, but the faithful become angry if the fact is mentioned, because it may cause people to question the "One Vax" that the faithful worship. Do we know the shot caused this? No, correlation is not causation. But correlation is cause for investigation in real science.

Spike in Americans dropping dead from unexplained heart attacks

Deaths from heart attacks have surged since the start of the Covid pandemic, particularly at home, a study from Harvard-associated Mass General Brigham suggests.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Jezcoe]

Since 2020, the instance of fatal heart attacks has risen 17% among Americans. The cause is not definitive, but the faithful become angry if the fact is mentioned, because it may cause people to question the "One Vax" that the faithful worship. Do we know the shot caused this? No, correlation is not causation. But correlation is cause for investigation in real science.

Since Covid is really hard on the cardiovascular system… isn’t it more likely that the increase is due to infections.

This is what I find so silly about the entire issue… whatever risks the vaccine may carry… because nothing is without Risk… statistically contracting the virus leads to worse outcomes if one is unvaccinated.

 

[Quag]

of course because you think so, not much Reality Thinking or deeper thinking. so walk on by huh?

until what is written will save you from tons of issues, that most are ignorant of.

start with the book Fasting can save your life. try it and open mind a smidge and come back.

we can move on from there.

if not, then have a goooood day.


blessings.


.

See above

 

[NOLA Dude]

thanks NOla, your medical posting is fabulous.

in addition you expose the Low Level of medical intelligence on this forum. many people would rather Die than think, and they do

i doubt very many have studied the issue from both sides, and it shows.

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It's crazy how so many people are against safer foods and medications because RFK and Trump are involved. Many people(including myself until the last few years) have been brainwashed by the "experts" who are bought and paid for by the food companies and big pharma.

 

[NOLA Dude]

You are just repeating Kennedy’s lies:

Those lies caught the attention of Dr Jake Scott.

Scott launched a project in April to round up every randomized and placebo-controlled clinical trial of vaccines in the medical literature, including studies run in other countries, since some vaccines used in the US are tested overseas.

It took five weeks to arrive at a number: There have been 258 randomized, controlled clinical trials of vaccines, according to Scott and a team of volunteers who scoured databases of medical literature. More than half of those studies — 153 — tested vaccines against placebos, and 127 of those studies used inert placebos.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/05/health/vaccine-placebo-studies-kennedy

And this:

Fact Checked: Childhood Vaccines Are Carefully Studied—Including with Placebos—to Ensure They’re Safe and Effective

www.aap.org

Once again, those placebo studies were for efficacy and not safety and any safety studies were short and not long term.

Kennedy referenced long term placebo controlled safety studies which are the gold standard. Kennedy is right and that CNN article was misdirection hoping people focused on placebo and not safety studies.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I was replying to NolaDude’s comment:

How can they say the vaccines are safe is they never did safety studies?

Nothing about long term.nHowever, you are correct, he will always whine about something. If you come up with 5 year studies, he will say that’s not enough. Best we can do is to show others that what he is saying is incorrect.

Thank God no one was listening to Kennedy or NolaDude during Covid or we would have had millions more people dying!

They tested the covid vaccine for safety although it wasn't long term and Biden hid the myocarditis risk from the public.