Keep it or kill it?

[nort_12345]

Wikipedia has a dictionary?
Oh lordy lordy lordy....

Word to the wise, about the only thing that Wikipedia is good for quoting are things like Godwin's law.

I quoted some medical and legal dictionaries, each of which beat Wikipedia on credibility and reliability on their own.

Add to that my having quoted some actual law and a medical overview of ultrasound and, well, it is clear that I have the high ground.

child:
A person 6 to 12 years of age. An individual 2 to 5 years old is child, preschool.
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=child&action=Search+OMD

baby:
1. An infant or young child of either sex; a babe.

2. A small image of an infant; a doll.
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=baby&action=Search+OMD

infant:
The child up to 24 months of age.
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=infant&action=Search+OMD

fetus:
A developing unborn offspring of an animal that gives birth to its young
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=fetus&action=Search+OMD

 

[nort_12345]

Wikipedia has a dictionary?
Oh lordy lordy lordy....

Word to the wise, about the only thing that Wikipedia is good for quoting are things like Godwin's law.

I quoted some medical and legal dictionaries, each of which beat Wikipedia on credibility and reliability on their own.

Add to that my having quoted some actual law and a medical overview of ultrasound and, well, it is clear that I have the high ground.

baby:
A very young child; an infant.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/baby

child:
1. A person who has not yet reached puberty.
2. A son or daughter; an offspring.
3. A person not of legal age; a minor.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/child

infant:
A child in the earliest period of life, especially before he or she can walk.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/infant

fetus:
1. The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
2. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fetus

 

[nort_12345]

Wikipedia has a dictionary?
Oh lordy lordy lordy....

Word to the wise, about the only thing that Wikipedia is good for quoting are things like Godwin's law.

I quoted some medical and legal dictionaries, each of which beat Wikipedia on credibility and reliability on their own.

Add to that my having quoted some actual law and a medical overview of ultrasound and, well, it is clear that I have the high ground.

child:
A person 6 to 12 years of age. An individual 2 to 5 years old is CHILD, PRESCHOOL.
http://www.online-medical-dictionary.org/omd.asp?q=child

infant:
A child between 1 and 23 months of age.
http://www.online-medical-dictionary.org/omd.asp?q=infant

fetus:
The unborn offspring of any viviparous mammals, in the postembryonic period, after the major structures have been outlined.
http://www.online-medical-dictionary.org/omd.asp?q=fetus

 

[nort_12345]

Wikipedia has a dictionary?
Oh lordy lordy lordy....

Word to the wise, about the only thing that Wikipedia is good for quoting are things like Godwin's law.

I quoted some medical and legal dictionaries, each of which beat Wikipedia on credibility and reliability on their own.

Add to that my having quoted some actual law and a medical overview of ultrasound and, well, it is clear that I have the high ground.

ultrasound:
http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/

http://www.drapplebaum.com/pregnancy.html#THE PARTS OF A PREGNANCY

 

[Jerry]

Non of your sources refute any of mine.

You didn't source any legal definitions either.

The problem here is that you are not matching my sources definition for counter definition, of like kind.

Your posts are not organized into a coherent counter argument, claiming that "child" and "baby" do not apply to the unborn.

Thus far your “belief” is evidenced to be incorrect when compared to objective fact.

 

[nort_12345]

Non of your sources refute any of mine.

You didn't source any legal definitions either.

The problem here is that you are not matching my sources definition for counter definition, of like kind.

Your posts are not organized into a coherent counter argument, claiming that "child" and "baby" do not apply to the unborn.

Thus far your “belief” is evidenced to be incorrect when compared to objective fact.

it isn't fact. it is belief. do you believe a fetus is a baby or not. your sites said yes, mine said no. it is just based on belief and opinon. i don't believe a fetus is a 'baby' or 'child' but you do. that is just your and my belief and opinion.

 

[Jerry]

it isn't fact. it is belief. do you believe a fetus is a baby or not. your sites said yes, mine said no. it is just based on belief and opinon. i don't believe a fetus is a 'baby' or 'child' but you do. that is just your and my belief and opinion.

You sources did not say that "Child" and "baby" do not apply to the unborn. At best they hold a neutral position, but clearly not the negative position.

My argument is not one of opinion, but of objective fact.
My argument is not one of belief, but of evidence.

It is not that I "believe" that a ZEF is a baby or a child, it is that I agree and concur with a body of evidence which show and prove that a ZEF is a baby and a child.

It is not that I "believe", it is that I *know*, and I back it up with unbiased, creatable sources.

 

[nort_12345]

You sources did not say that "Child" and "baby" do not apply to the unborn. At best they hold a neutral position, but clearly not the negative position.

My argument is not one of opinion, but of objective fact.
My argument is not one of belief, but of evidence.

It is not that I "believe" that a ZEF is a baby or a child, it is that I agree and concur with a body of evidence which show and prove that a ZEF is a baby and a child.

It is not that I "believe", it is that I *know*, and I back it up with unbiased, creatable sources.

my sources aren't credible?

 

[Jerry]

my sources aren't credible?

Your sources are credible, they just don't support your argument.

 

[nort_12345]

Your sources are credible, they just don't support your argument.

they don't describe a fetus as being a 'baby' or a 'child'

 

[Jerry]

Warning: Adult Content!

they don't describe a fetus as being a 'baby' or a 'child'

Perhaps I have not been clear enough.

As I have backed my claim that a ZEF can accuretly be refered to as "child" and "baby" with credable medical definitions, you must either show my sources to not be credable or provide your oun credable definitions which not simply disclude my aplication, but out right contradict and refute it.

You need to quote a definition which says something like

fetus: n;
1. A fetus is not a baby.
2. A fetus is not a child.
3. unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind.
4. Felicity’s avatar.

Source

 

[nort_12345]

Re: Warning: Adult Content!

Perhaps I have not been clear enough.

As I have backed my claim that a ZEF can accuretly be refered to as "child" and "baby" with credable medical definitions, you must either show my sources to not be credable or provide your oun credable definitions which not simply disclude my aplication, but out right contradict and refute it.

You need to quote a definition which says something like

Source

a definition isn't going to say what something isn't, it's going to say what it is (except for antonyms). the definition of a dog isn't going to say: not a human

people's definitions will be different. is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?

tomato:
1. any of several plants belonging to the genus Lycopersicon, of the nightshade family bearing a mildly acid, pulpy, usually red fruit eaten raw or cooked as a vegetable
2. the fruit itself

 

[Jerry]

Re: Warning: Adult Content!

a definition isn't going to say what something isn't, it's going to say what it is (except for antonyms). the definition of a dog isn't going to say: not a human

You have not been able to back up your claim:

it is not a 'baby' until it is born.

You have not been able to refute my claim:

"Child (1)" and "baby (1)" have pre-birth uses. A fetus is a "child" (2) and a "baby" (2) is a "child", thus we can call a fetus a "baby" (3). Legally a "child" (4) is one's natural offspring, which is what a pregnant woman carries. So, a pregnant woman carries her "child"; her "unborn child"; her "unborn baby", which makes her a "parent", spicificly, a “mother”.

In light of the lack of evidence for your claim, and the wealth of evidence supporting mine, if you choose to still espouse your claim I will have to assume that your objection comes from some personal bias on your part.

 

[nort_12345]

Re: Warning: Adult Content!

You have not been able to back up your claim:


You have not been able to refute my claim:


In light of the lack of evidence for your claim, and the wealth of evidence supporting mine, if you choose to still espouse your claim I will have to assume that your objection comes from some personal bias on your part.

i just said, a definition will not tell you what something isn't. it will tell you what something is.

 

[Felicity]

Re: Warning: Adult Content!

i just said, a definition will not tell you what something isn't. it will tell you what something is.

9 results for: dark
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dark /dɑrk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dahrk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun, verb
–adjective 1. having very little or no light: a dark room.
2. radiating, admitting, or reflecting little light: a dark color.
3. approaching black in hue: a dark brown.
4. not pale or fair; swarthy: a dark complexion.
15. (of a theater) offering no performances; closed: The theaters in this town are dark on Sundays.
–noun 17. the absence of light; darkness: I can't see well in the dark.

54 results for: black
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black /blæk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[blak] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun, verb, adverb
–adjective 1. lacking hue and brightness; absorbing light without reflecting any of the rays composing it.
2. characterized by absence of light; enveloped in darkness: a black night.


Just a couple examples of defining by the negative.

 

[Felicity]

BTW...That was just disturbing, Jerry:mrgreen:...And I didn't see my avatar ANYWHERE there!

 

[Jerry]

BTW...That was just disturbing, Jerry:mrgreen:...And I didn't see my avatar ANYWHERE there!

:lol:
So you did watch it all the way through then :mrgreen:

I call that a "Source-bomb"....keeps things interesting.

I think that's the most graphic one I can link to Upstairs without a Mod getting on me.

 

[Felicity]

:lol:
So you did watch it all the way through then :mrgreen:

Maybe it was in the blurred portion hidden under Smurfettes dress

 

[Jerry]

Maybe it was in the blurred portion hidden under Smurfettes dress

....fetalsmurf?

 

[Felicity]

....fetalsmurf?

I always thought Papa-Smurf was up to no good when it came to Smurfette, but I doubt it was a Fetal-Smurf, unless Gargamel was up to something twisted.

smurfs, CYBERSLAYER.co.uk - jokes