Karen Read Trial - Take 2

[ASHES]

I wonder what the hold out was for........

Can't wait to hear the jury interviews. More than 2 this time.

Next stop is the civil case. It's absolutely toasted. As are so many careers from this case.

 

[ASHES]

Just imagine, the next time Dever is called to the stand in a case, for a DUI or something. And the defense asks her if she is having a false memory, or if the commissioner talked to her before her testimony, or why she told the FBI something different than what she testified to. She's done as a cop.

 

[ASHES]

Longest, most expensive misdemeanor DUI trial in the history of ever, and it will be sent back in a hot minute for retrial after appeal.

 

[ASHES]

Verdict is read
(1:15)

 

[reinaert]

Well, there it is. 2x not guilty.

 

[ASHES]

Just imagine, the next time Dever is called to the stand in a case, for a DUI or something. And the defense asks her if she is having a false memory, or if the commissioner talked to her before her testimony, or why she told the FBI something different than what she testified to. She's done as a cop.

I have to qualify this. She did her blue line duty, so she is protected from the very top of BPD, so she will end up in an evidence room or something like that where there's never a chance she will have to testify against a defendant to the truth of a matter, but will get to ride out the rest of her time until she can retire with benefits.

Parasites.

 

[Serenity]

I can't be the only one super impressed by @ASHES thorough and thoughtful commentary throughout this thread. It's been a great thread.

Thank you.

 

[ASHES]

First juror gives interview to TMZ.

Skip to 3:00 to bypass intro comments

(23:04)


Also Proctor did an interview with 20/20 in May that was released on verdict day I haven't watched yet because it will make me puke. I know he cries and makes himself the victim though. It sure would be poetic if it could be used against him in court some day.

 

[daeler]

First juror gives interview to TMZ.

Skip to 3:00 to bypass intro comments

(23:04)


Also Proctor did an interview with 20/20 in May that was released on verdict day I haven't watched yet because it will make me puke. I know he cries and makes himself the victim though. It sure would be poetic if it could be used against him in court some day.

This guy is pretty smart, good answers all around.

 

[ASHES]

Here it is. 22 minutes of Proctor finding out.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

First juror gives interview to TMZ.

Skip to 3:00 to bypass intro comments

(23:04)


Also Proctor did an interview with 20/20 in May that was released on verdict day I haven't watched yet because it will make me puke. I know he cries and makes himself the victim though. It sure would be poetic if it could be used against him in court some day.

Thank you @ASHES for your amazing contributions throughout this thread! As in other cases, you combine impressive insight and passion!

Michael Proctor comes off as criminal, self-righteous, smarmy and smug

Not a fan of the Albert family either.

 

[ASHES]

Ohh disgusting. The McAlberts gave an interview to ABC. Some absolutely sickening, self serving lies. Same ones we've heard and debunked for years. I will post some quotes and clips later. The best part I've heard so far is when Brian Albert didn't come out of the house to see what was going on with his buddy from 6:30am when Jennifer McCabe woke him up, and when Canton police came into his foyer to talk to him (whenever that was at least an hour later) was because he was in his underwear and the body in his front yard under his window was outside his jurisdiction.


From left to right, Matt McCabe, Jennifer McCabe, Brian Albert, Nicole Albert, Chris Albert.


Brian and Nicole


Matt and Jennifer


"We were just witnesses"
"We took what we thought was the high road"

Gtfo

 

[ASHES]

Another juror comes forward.

"Karen Read is innocent."

11:04


Says she came forward because she wanted to share a message with the [O'Keefe] family, which is that it isn't their fault that Karen Read is innocent, the Commonwealth and the investigation couldn't actually prove anything. She is sorry they're sad about the verdict but it wasn't her (Read's) fault and she hopes they find who did it.

She believes something happened to him inside the house and he was placed outside.

 

[What if...?]

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Ohh disgusting. The McAlberts gave an interview to ABC. Some absolutely sickening, self serving lies. Same ones we've heard and debunked for years. I will post some quotes and clips later. The best part I've heard so far is when Brian Albert didn't come out of the house to see what was going on with his buddy from 6:30am when Jennifer McCabe woke him up, and when Canton police came into his foyer to talk to him (whenever that was at least an hour later) was because he was in his underwear and the body in his front yard under his window was outside his jurisdiction.

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From left to right, Matt McCabe, Jennifer McCabe, Brian Albert, Nicole Albert, Chris Albert.

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Brian and Nicole

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Matt and Jennifer


"We were just witnesses"
"We took what we thought was the high road"

Gtfo

Brian and Nicole have some weird body language.

 

[ASHES]

Brian and Nicole have some weird body language.

All of them I think. Brian is the cop, the leader of the group. His little brother Chris is a follower of Brian his whole life. The girls are sisters. And Matt is a computer nerd that married into them all. Brian is setting the example for the script they prepared. Don't give yourself away with body language. Neutral natural posture. Hands in lap. Feet slightly apart. No tapping fingers. No itching. No hands together fidgeting, no crossed arms, no crossed legs, no tapping feet, no leaning forward, no leaning backwards, no constant blinking etc. It leads to all of them looking absolutely ridiculous, especially as they also try to keep all their lies straight. Besides Brian they're all messing up something even in that one frame, but they're still trying. If they were being asked actually difficult questions, it might be harder to do all that. They're able to just read answers off their script like "the guy never came in the house."

 

[What if...?]

All of them I think. Brian is the cop, the leader of the group. His little brother Chris is a follower of Brian his whole life. The girls are sisters. And Matt is a computer nerd that married into them all. Brian is setting the example for the script they prepared. Don't give yourself away with body language. Neutral natural posture. Hands in lap. Feet slightly apart. No tapping fingers. No itching. No hands together fidgeting, no crossed arms, no crossed legs, no tapping feet, no leaning forward, no leaning backwards, no constant blinking etc. It leads to all of them looking absolutely ridiculous, especially as they also try to keep all their lies straight. Besides Brian they're all messing up something even in that one frame, but they're still trying. If they were being asked actually difficult questions, it might be harder to do all that. They're able to just read answers off their script like "the guy never came in the house."

The leaning away points to some difference of opinion on something. Might just be some personal conflict.

Or one not wanting to continue with the coverup lest it come back to bite their heads off.

After all of this there is still no established cause of death. No explanation for the arm wounds, for instance.

 

[ASHES]

The leaning away points to some difference of opinion on something. Might just be some personal conflict.

Or one not wanting to continue with the coverup lest it come back to bite their heads off.

After all of this there is still no established cause of death. No explanation for the arm wounds, for instance.

Cause of death was the blunt force impact to the head that caused multiple skull fractures. It wasn't immediately fatal, but was most likely immediately incapacitating. The cold could have sped it up, but I doubt it. Based on the phone battery temperature, he and his phone were in the garage all night until 5:07am when Jennifer McCabe called Nicole Albert and told them Read was on her way looking for O'Keefe and they had to put him out. They might have thought she could track his phone or watch. They claim she had access to his Ring camera. Lots to think about. Shame nothing will ever be done.

 

[What if...?]

Cause of death was the blunt force impact to the head that caused multiple skull fractures. It wasn't immediately fatal, but was most likely immediately incapacitating. The cold could have sped it up, but I doubt it. Based on the phone battery temperature, he and his phone were in the garage all night until 5:07am when Jennifer McCabe called Nicole Albert and told them Read was on her way looking for O'Keefe and they had to put him out. They might have thought she could track his phone or watch. They claim she had access to his Ring camera. Lots to think about. Shame nothing will ever be done.

That’s what I meant. We know he died from the head wound.

But we don’t know how he got the head wound or arm injuries.

I’m wondering if this will lead to State or Federal investigation?

Seems like it should.

I would venture that framing someone for a murder is a serious offense worthy of further investigation.

 

[ASHES]

Here's clips of the McAlbert interview, with some accurate commentary from Alexa that puts some of the things they say into context or adds information they're leaving out.
(22:18)

 

[ASHES]

Alessi and Yanetti doing an interview live now with Runkle of the Bailey.



Jackson did an interview with Howie Carr worth listening to as well if I can find it.

 

[bythoughts]

Somebody should start a thread with a review that is focused on the interesting part: How did he die, and who is responsible?