Karen Read - Guilty or Not Guilty Poll (1 Viewer)

[ASHES]

The trial has been ongoing for a few weeks now. The state has gone through about half their witnesses. Besides the cross examination of Jennifer McCabe next week (looking forward to her answer about why she searched for "how long to die in the cold" hours before O'Keefe was found), the most noteworthy testimony remaining for the prosecution is that of the lead investigator Michael Proctor.

Michael Proctor is under investigation by his own agency Massachusetts State Patrol for policy violation, and the FBI has also been doing it's own independent investigation, which concluded that her car never hit O'Keefe, and he wasn't hit by the car.

Michael Proctor was a family friend of the Alberts. He searched Karen Read's phone without a warrant, violating her 4th amendment and attorney client privilege, and bragged to his friends that he was looking for nudes of her.

Brian Albert, the homeowner where O'Keefe was found, destroyed the evidence on his phone the day before it was court ordered to be preserved for evidence at trial.

Matthew McCabe (Jennifer's husband) denied instructing anybody about a story to tell, then admitted he sent the text "tell them the guy never came into the house."

The above barely scratches the surface of the lies and actions of the state's witnesses.

What is your opinion on where things stand now?

 

[noonereal]

Who is Karen Read?

 

[Josie]

I’ll wait until the defense gives their evidence before making a final decision. Leaning strongly toward not guilty of everything at the moment.

 

[ASHES]

Who is Karen Read?

There's a whole thread discussing the case and trial. There's also a poll option for you if you don't have enough information to choose the other options. I think more people should know who she is and put light on this cluster**** of a prosecution.

 

[X Factor]

Who is Karen Read?

If you don’t know why even reply to the thread?

 

[Donatello]

If you don’t know why even reply to the thread?

When you post questions like that I hope you realize you're being "that guy". Are you upset about something that you'd jump on someone for asking a question?

 

[ASHES]

When you post questions like that I hope you realize you're being "that guy". Are you upset about something that you'd jump on someone for asking a question?

And what is this post?

I left an option for people that don't know who she is if they want to participate. I further provided a link to a thread where more information about the case can be found.

 

[Donatello]

And what is this post?

I left an option for people that don't know who she is if they want to participate. I further provided a link to a thread where more information about the case can be found.

I was talking to X Factor.

 

[X Factor]

When you post questions like that I hope you realize you're being "that guy". Are you upset about something that you'd jump on someone for asking a question?

That wasn’t a serious question though. The thread title is pretty clear that some knowledge on the subject is expected.

 

[ASHES]

I was talking to X Factor.

He was talking to @noonereal. What's your point? Do you have anything to contribute to the thread topic either?

 

[ASHES]

That wasn’t a serious question though. The thread title is pretty clear that some knowledge on the subject is expected.

Also there's 2 links in the OP where further information is provided, including the answer to the question, "Who is Karen Read?"

 

[Donatello]

He was talking to @noonereal. What's your point? Do you have anything to contribute to the thread topic either?

You're right. I butted in. My bad. I admit I haven't followed the case closely. My uneducated impression is the whole thing smells like a cover up.

 

[ASHES]

You're right. I butted in. My bad. I admit I haven't followed the case closely.

It's all good. I want more people talking about this, regardless of their stance on guilt or innocence or if they knew who Karen Read was before entering this thread.

My uneducated impression is the whole thing smells like a cover up.

That was my initial impression as well when the case first made news, and the more I learn and the more of the state's case is put on, the stinkier the stench gets.

 

[X Factor]

You're right. I butted in. My bad. I admit I haven't followed the case closely. My uneducated impression is the whole thing smells like a cover up.

Shall we both **** off now? Lol.

 

[noonereal]

If you don’t know why even reply to the thread?

So you can tell me.

 

[ASHES]

So you can tell me.

The first post has all the information you need. If it isn't enough, the 2 links in the first post provide more information about who Karen Read is. If that isn't enough, I replied to your question about who Karen Read is with a link to the trial thread where there is even more information about who Karen Read is. Beyond that, I don't think it's up to anyone else to spoonfeed you any more information about who Karen Read is. You either care enough to know, or you don't. Which is it?

 

[noonereal]

The first post has all the information you need. If it isn't enough, the 2 links in the first post provide more information about who Karen Read is. If that isn't enough, I replied to your question about who Karen Read is with a link to the trial thread where there is even more information about who Karen Read is. Beyond that, I don't think it's up to anyone else to spoonfeed you any more information about who Karen Read is. You either care enough to know, or you don't. Which is it?

The link to the old thread refreshed. I has read that thread. That did not offer the nuts and bolts one needs to ansewer your poll.

Have a good night

 

[ASHES]

The link to the old thread refreshed. I has read that thread. That did not offer the nuts and bolts one needs to ansewer your poll.

Have a good night

What was wrong with the option "Don't know enough yet to decide" if you didn't know enough yet to decide?

 

[noonereal]

What was wrong with the option "Don't know enough yet to decide" if you didn't know enough yet to decide?

My initial post was sincere. Who is this women, you answered me. Now I know but not enough to render an opinion.

Pretty simple.

So now I could vote. I was hoping to learn more to not take that option.
I will not vote now because of the needless rude nature of the posts.
Celebrate, I am out.

 

[ASHES]

My initial post was sincere. Who is this women, you answered me. Now I know but not enough to render an opinion.

Pretty simple.

So now I could vote. I was hoping to learn more to not take that option.
I will not vote now because of the needless rude nature of the posts.
Celebrate, I am out.

Thank you for your valuable contributions to this thread.

 

[X Factor]

Michael Proctor is under investigation by his own agency Massachusetts State Patrol for policy violation, and the FBI has also been doing it's own independent investigation, which concluded that her car never hit O'Keefe, and he wasn't hit by the car.

Well damn, this sounds like reasonable doubt right here. Admittedly, if the accident reconstruction expert had been hired by the defense, I wouldn’t discount it entirely, but I do know you can usually find an expert to say what you want for the right price, so the fact he was actually contracted by the FBI definitely carries some weight with me.

 

[Josie]

Well damn, this sounds like reasonable doubt right here. Admittedly, if the accident reconstruction expert had been hired by the defense, I wouldn’t discount it entirely, but I do know you can usually find an expert to say what you want for the right price, so the fact he was actually contracted by the FBI definitely carries some weight with me.

I don't think the jury is allowed to know about the investigation, though. Is that right, @ASHES?

 

[X Factor]

I don't think the jury is allowed to know about the investigation, though. Is that right, @ASHES?

I should know this but has a medical examiner testified as to the cause of death?

 

[Josie]

I should know this but has a medical examiner testified as to the cause of death?

Nope. The only expert we've heard from testified out of order (probably because she couldn't be there at the time she was scheduled). All of the other people have been witnesses that night going over the same story over and over and over and over again - some with different information. We're three weeks into the trial and know very, very little of expert findings.

 

[ASHES]

I don't think the jury is allowed to know about the investigation, though. Is that right, @ASHES?

It wasn't supposed to be, but a state witness let slip on direct when asked about when he was interviewed (by state police) ,that the feds had interviewed him about the case. So the jury now knows that the feds are involved.