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Kamala has two choices: End Genocide or be a Failed (and Hated) President

Bernie got a post office renamed. Muchos progressos!
Besides that you are wrong, why do some people think that a politician trying to get a lot of good things done is worse than the politicians who oppose the things and have more votes?
 
Compare the two candidates that could be president in this election and pick the one you think will do a better job on that, and other issues.
I think you're right, and that Kamala is clearly the better choice. That doesn't change that Kamala looks terrible on this and that it's important, as the OP and the person he linked said. (See my thread on how having a terrible opponent helps allow bad policies because you 'have to support' a candidate.)
 
Which is how we got Donald Trump and are teetering on losing our democracy.
If we support genocide in Gaza, we deserve trump and to lose our 'democracy'. I support Harris and keeping our democracy, but not allowing that to justify supporting genocide in Gaza, Palestinians paying the price. We needed FDR, would that make it ok to support him supporting the Holocaust if he did? We needed LBJ, did that make his supporting the Vietnam war ok? Sorry, 2 million Vietnamese people killed, you are expendable, unimportant.
 
This is not our war however Israel is an ally. In my mind is this any different than what's been going on ever since Israel became a state? I do not think Harris will indiscriminately support netanyahoo who, in my opinion is a war criminal.
It definitely is our war. Don't be deceived by dishonest statements about that. They own our government, and we do their bidding. We give them the arms they used for the war crimes, billions of dollars worth. We block all attempts by the world at the United Nations to take action against their war crimes, or even to recognize Palestine, which we SAY is our policy, but 'just not yet'. Harris is indicating she will likely continue indiscriminate support of Netanyahu.
 
The progressive purity tests have begun. Bernie 2.0.
Opposing the horrific war crimes against Palestinians is not a "purity test". It's immoral to be dismissive of their lives.
 
Israel is trying to prevent the genocide that happened on Oct 7 from ever happening again.

Kamala "Hamas" Harris needs to get on board with that. She won't, but she should.

What genocide happened on Oct 7th?
 
Israel is trying to prevent the genocide that happened on Oct 7 from ever happening again.

Kamala "Hamas" Harris needs to get on board with that. She won't, but she should.
Are you saying kamala is against funding israel because thats propaganda.
 
I disagree i dont think bernies the reason why trump won.
He's not. Hillary is. Hillary could see Bernie was the much stronger candidate against trump, there are more independent voters than either party, and Bernie was getting two independents to her one, she could have done like Biden and supported the stronger candidate, dropping out. She didn't and we got trump. Bernie campaigned for her more than anyone else despite her unethical actions to defeat him, because it was good for the country.
 
What genocide happened on Oct 7th?
None. It started October 8. Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, colonialism, all continued as they had been going on for decades.
 
I dont understand why people would be a single issue voter regardless both partys support funding israel.

Whether kamala calls for a cease fire or not no offense thats not my top priority it would be good but
im focusing on all the other things we need to accomplish.

Im not voting for trump just because of a israel position when both partys would support it anyway.
 
Ive been seeing more progressives pop up i think we should be careful what we say because we dont want the left to look bad
we already seem to have more support and bashing kamala will only make us look like conservatives who are helping the other side.

@Dans La Lune
 
We’ll all be feelin the bern annyyy dayyy nowww.
Bernie is still a amazing person dont let a israel position make you think bad of him.
 
The very low bar real progressives set for Kamala is already being tested. Always remember that, when she takes power, she can end this with a phone call. It's not leftist or progressive to horde incremental domestic wins while others are needlessly slaughtered under the banner of that same leadership. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is the worst kind of human.

If Kamala goes down the same road as Biden, and I think she will, she will become among the most hated people in the world, her presidency will fail, and the right-wing will again take power. Don't blame us when the bill comes due and you're asking us 'Save Democracy!' in four years. Kamala has all the runway she needs to become a successful president or an absolute abomination / genocide accomplice. If she does right, she'll be rewarded accordingly. That's literally how politics works. It's a pretty basic political equation.

There is no other progressive issue on this level.



If you're waiting for the US to knock Israel off'n its teet.....I'd say you could be in for a LONG wait. :confused:

It is what it is.
 
Honestly this is much like the chapo trap house guys that became pretty insufferable with their great man bernie theory.
 
Fair questions for anyone:

1) Should genocide be a redline in politics?

2) Is it fair to hold Kamala to this redline?

Lets see if anyone can directly answer.
Let's see if you can answer the question I asked you yesterday- does Don need to be held to the same standard?
 
Don't take this poorly, but on the list of important issues to me, Gaza is way down the list. Palestinians and Israelis don't get along, probably are not going to get along, and those in power over there are going to do terrible things to the other group at every chance. No matter who is president here, that is unlikely to change. So me personally, I will not judge either candidate on Gaza. You do you though.
And---if she followed Dans' preferences, she would be Camel-ah.
 
Ive been seeing more progressives pop up i think we should be careful what we say because we dont want the left to look bad
we already seem to have more support and bashing kamala will only make us look like conservatives who are helping the other side.

It is right to stand against the war crimes against Palestinians.

It doesn't matter if the people who also should but aren't, don't like it. If they lie that demanding Harris change the policy means not voting for Harris, they can be corrected. For the few who do mean that, we disagree but it's their right.
 
The idea that the US couldn’t significantly affect Israel’s decision-making and actions if it actually had the spine to stand by the ideals it claims to care so much about is rather silly.
Yep; turn off the billions of dollars in annual 'aid' which Israel does not need, and stop sending them arms. Israel has her own burgeoning arms industry, and even exports arms abroad. She has no need of outside assistance.

 
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