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Kamala has to be flawless. Trump gets to be lawless.

Geoist said:
And they'll make arguments for why the Nazis were leftwing and not rightwing with garbage like, 'well they tried to appeal to the workers and unions!' Okay... you mean like what Trump is doing? Lol.
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Enzo lived under fascism. One might argue his wife was the capitalist, but Italy and Germany maintained their capitalist economies throughout WWII.

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Anyone thinking fascism is disproven with capitalism should not be discussing fascism (or capitalism.)
 
OrphanSlug said:
Or, we do not agree with you.. Meaning, you setting some bar that must be achieved by some litmus test to qualify as fascist we dismiss in Trump, who clearly leans to far-right authoritarianism, and forcible suppression of the opposition characterized as autocracy. Or, the textbook definition of the word.
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But thats a lie. Trump has been president and did neither of the things you accuse him of. So how about you make an honest argument and we can continue.
 
Geoist said:
Kamala doesn't need to be that much different from Biden. Before the Gaza/Israel stuff, progressives were lauding him as the most progressive president since Jimmy Carter (a very low bar, but I'll take it).

If she continues Biden's appeal to union workers and crackdown on big tech, but also tightens the reigns on Netanyahu then she could have a very popular presidency.
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Then why isnt she running on that if its so wildly popular? Answer--because its not.
 
Kblaster49 said:
A link to a fact-based source that verifies your assertion.

Is it? You should have thought of that when you started posting in the thread. Then we could have had a serious discussion rather than pages of "Yes, he is, no, he's not".

Tag me when you post that link. Hope your day gets better.
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Again, the burden of proof falls upon those who accuse Trump of being a fascist. And you, like all the rest, have not done so. Come forward with some proof and we can discuss it.
 
Michael Cole said:
I must have hurt Linuxcooldude's feelings at one time. He doesn't like my fishing videos, apparently.

These MAGA people think fascism is leftwing. Everything they don't like is leftwing. Fletch even claimed Trump isn't a fascist; he's a capitalist! Lmao.
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Trump is a capitalist. That you dont know what that word means either is hardly a surprise.
 
Geoist said:
And they'll make arguments for why the Nazis were leftwing and not rightwing with garbage like, 'well they tried to appeal to the workers and unions!' Okay... you mean like what Trump is doing? Lol.
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In the ideological battle between individualism and collectivism, upon which side does fascism fall?
 
Fletch said:
In the ideological battle between individualism and collectivism, upon which side does fascism fall?
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Your far right friends don't give a shit about individualism except for themselves. That's why they want(ed) government bans on gay marriage, marijuana use, books, etc etc. No Trump Supporter gets to f***in' talk to me about 'individualism' especially after tonight's MAGAt display at Madison Square Garden.
 
Geoist said:
Your far right friends don't give a shit about individualism except for themselves. That's why they want(ed) government bans on gay marriage, marijuana use, books, etc etc. No Trump Supporter gets to f***in' talk to me about 'individualism' especially after tonight's MAGAt display at Madison Square Garden.
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So, the answer to my question is,,,,?
 
Michael Cole said:
Enzo Ferrari was a capitalist. In a fascist country.

Fascists are capitalists. Your ignorance is just boring as ****.
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Fascists are NOT capitalists. If you understood fascism, which you dont, you wouldnt need me to explain to you that under fascism, private ownership of the means of production is allowed, but the state determines what is produced and what resources you can use. Communists seize physical control and ownership of industry. Fascists allow private ownership but the state regulates and controls everything. Capitalists own industry and determine their own goals and answer to private owners.
 
Fletch said:
So, the answer to my question is,,,,?
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Fascism and MAGA fall under far right collectivism. MAGAts and fascists don't give a shit about individualism.
 
Michael Cole said:
Fascists are capitalists. Corporate capitalists, to be specific.

Your ignorance is boring as ****.
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Capitalism and fascism have their own specific and unique definitions that you seem completely unaware of. But continue trolling to hide your ignorance of the subject matter.
 
Fletch said:
You didnt. You made some dopey remarks about MAGA. Try and answer the question I posed.
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I answered it. Sorry you didn't like the answer. Have a good night.
 
Michael Cole said:
Are subjects you shouldn't be discussing. Your ignorance is boring as ****.
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Capitalism, fascism and communism are three very different things on multiple levels. Even @Geoist would admit that if he allowed himself a moment of honesty. The ignorance is all yours.
 
CaughtInThe said:
And it's not just the media. A lot of this comes from Democrats themselves demanding that she be flawless.

MAGA and evangelicals on the other hand, they don't give a crap if Trump steals national secrets and sells them to freaking Russia or Israel. They don't care if he talks about another dude's dick on stage or incited a coup.



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If I demanded flawless I'd want Bernie Sanders or AOC as the candidate, but that seems unlikely.
And even there I don't see flawless, they have flaws too.

That said, the big one I see with Biden and possibly Harris is their apparent unwillingness to push harder on Israel to reduce the civilian population deaths and infrastructure damage.

I think there are also disinformation campaigns from rival nations trying to push on wedge issues like that.

Edit: And I'm positive that there is disinformation being pushed by both Israel and Hamas about it, not to mention by other rivals in favor of one or both of those parties.
 
Michael Cole said:
Dude, Enzo Ferrari was a capitalist. His government contracts provided CAPITAL which he used to build his company.

Your ignorance is boring as ****.
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'Government contracts' should have clued you in to the idiocy of your reply, but nothing seems to clue you in at this point. Fascist economics means private ownership but state control of production and resources. Thats not capitalism.

"By 1939, Fascist Italy attained the highest rate of state ownership of an economy in the world other than the Soviet Union,[43] where the Italian state "controlled over four-fifths of Italy's shipping and shipbuilding, three-quarters of its pig iron production and almost half that of steel"

Thats not capitalism.
 
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