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Kamala Harris was not appointed as the "border czar"

HumblePi said:
People would never leave their own country if they had the ability to support their family, or have adequate medical care.
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Of course, but do you really think as a nation we’re in a position to change that?

What you’re not seeing is that those root causes are, in almost every practical sense, irrelevant to solving the problem here in the US because we are powerless to address those root causes. We don’t govern any of those countries, and our only leverage is to bribe them, an ineffective solution, to say the least.

The only thing within our control is to deal with the symptom of those root causes, i.e., the symptom that is illegal migration, and the way to deal with that is to guard our border.
 
gbg3 said:
That's correct! She did nothing helpful toward stemming migration or addressing root causes, and the numbers are clear.
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I think Harris addressed the root causes in the sense of saying “hello” to them, but that’s about it.
 
Yes, there is a lot she could have done. But the fact is, she chose to do next to nothing and thus got no positive or measurable results.
 
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I disagree. The root causes are always the right place to begin when trying to resolve mass immigration.
 
hooligan said:
Please quote the post where I claimed she was successful at stemming the migration from Central or South America.
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Good, more agreement. Because she simply was not successful at her task.
 
HumblePi said:
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I disagree. The root causes are always the right place to begin when trying to resolve mass immigration.
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That’s attempting to drain the ocean rather than fixing the holes in your boat. First, you stop taking on water. Then you address the other problems, which are longer term in implementation, and longer still in producing any results.
 
HumblePi said:
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I disagree. The root causes are always the right place to begin when trying to resolve mass immigration.
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Okay, let's go with your view.

Harris didn't do a thing to "resolve mass immigration" when assigned a root causes task. If you think that's the right place to begin, then she failed at her task.
 
multivita-man said:
Here's what GOP Senator James Lankford said about the bill:

Senator Lankford bill



MAGA Jesus told his brainless, soulless disciplines in the House to vote it down, so they did.
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Democrat Senators were among those brainless, soulless MAGA disciples who who voted to scrap the backroom deal on a procedural motion. The House played no role in stopping the sham border security bill.

Meanwhile the Democrat Senate majority leader simply refuses to recognize the House passed HR2 comprehensive immigration reform bill for crass partisan political reasons. Vulnerable Democrat Senators dare not risk a vote on actual immigration reform.
 
HumblePi said:
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I disagree. The root causes are always the right place to begin when trying to resolve mass immigration.
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Sorry, that is foolish stubbornness. The root case isn’t always the right place to begin, and it’s not the right place to begin when you are powerless to address those root causes. It’s a bit like saying we could cut down or airline disasters if we can just do something about their root cause: gravity. There are going to be shit-hole countries in the world, no matter how much hand-wringing we do about them.

As I alluded to above, the idea that our only solution to illegal immigration is nation building throughout Latin America is nuts. We can’t do it and, further, we don’t have the right to do it. We don’t have political authority in those countries, and they can choose to run themselves as poorly as they like; it’s their business, not ours.

You folks on the left continue to fall into the same trap. You so often believe if only enough control can be exerted over people, both here and abroad, all will be well. For example, you seem to think there’s a way to make the Honduran government treat their people well. There isn’t. It’s a lie, and a fairly dangerous one at that.
 
gbg3 said:
Good, more agreement. Because she simply was not successful at her task.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/25/fact-sheet-vice-president-harris-announces-public-private-partnership-has-generated-more-than-5-2-billion-in-private-sector-commitments-for-northern-central-america/
March 25, 2024
T: Vice President Harris Announces Public-Private Partnership Has Generated More Than $5.2 Billion in Private Sector Commitments for Northern Central America

More than $1 billion in new commitments announced today will create economic opportunity and help address the root causes of migration in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras.

To date, CAF and other PCA partners include more than 50 companies and organizations that have made commitments to support inclusive economic growth in the region. These entities represent the financial services, textiles and apparel, agriculture, technology and telecommunications, and nonprofit sectors, among others.

These investments are creating jobs, connecting people to the digital economy, expanding access to financing for small businesses, providing training and education for youth, women and workers, and improving economic livelihoods for people in the region.
 

The Senate legislation included many of the Republicans had said they wanted previously. Turns out, they just need a good crisis to exploit. I have no doubt that had the Democrats agreed to HR2, Republicans would have found a reason to chickenshit their way out of that bill, too. I judge Republicans not by their words, not by the legislation they pass ceremoniously in one chamber of Congress, but by their actions. Republicans don't give a god damn about solving the border crisis or any other crisis. They exist to gum up the machinery of governance and then complain that government doesn't work. When enough people wake up and realize this fact, then maybe we can truly Make America Great Again.
 

Yes, and I’ve explained it.

NatMorton said:
You stop the flow of illegal migration across our southern border (the second part of Harris’s assignment that no one on the left seems to remember) by guarding the border and using force against anyone who seeks to evade border control.
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Won’t work. Didn’t work well for Berlin either. They had machine gun nests every 50 yards or so. If people had a dire need and think the answer to that need is in the other side of a line they are going to attempt to cross it.

The answer is to make it clear to them there is nothing better for them on this side of that line. The way to do that is to stop giving them jobs. No jobs, then here is no better than there, they stop coming.


That’s partisan thinking which won’t solve the problem.. The Right, which probably claims the majority of those doing the hiring, want this illegal immigration’s too.

EVERYONE, of all<political strips, has to be in the same page if we are going to walk immigration they way we talk immigration.
 
NatMorton said:
The reality is that she was never meant to perform that task but rather only appear to be performing that task.
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The right's misrepresentation of her role is disingenuous at best. She never was in charge of the border. She was tasked to help deal with the causes within the three specific CA countries that were contributing the most to the migration crisis. We can objectively argue whether she was successful or not but to misrepresent her task is dishonest.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
Won’t work. Didn’t work well for Berlin either. They had machine gun nests every 50 yards or so. If people had a dire need and think the answer to that need is in the other side of a line they are going to attempt to cross it.
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So you're saying the Berlin Wall and those machine gun nests didn't reduce the flow of people moving from East Berlin to West? Whom do you think you're kidding with this?

Success at the border is not defined by a zero error rate.
 
NatMorton said:
So you're saying the Berlin Wall and those machine gun nests didn't reduce the flow of people moving from East Berlin to West? Whom do you think you're kidding with this?
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No. What I’m saying is it didn’t stop them from trying. So you wound up with dead East Berliners. You want blood in US hands, because that’sxwhatvyiyrcway is going to take.

My way gets it done a lot less messy.
 
By the numbers, tossing money their way did nothing to stem migration from their countries. Which was to be the task/reason for addressing root causes - so their people would stay in their country instead of leaving and coming to the U.S. That clearly didn't happen.
 
gbg3 said:
Yes, there is a lot she could have done. But the fact is, she chose to do next to nothing and thus got no positive or measurable results.
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So she did exactly what House Trumptardlicans did then. Kamala Harris doesnt put forth legislation in the House. She couldnt possibly do anything about it unilaterally.

And Trumptardlicans failed to act, they wanted to use it as a political issue. So there is no "crisis", nobody really cares.
 
NatMorton said:
ou stop the flow of illegal migration across our southern border (the second part of Harris’s assignment that no one on the left seems to remember) by guarding the border and using force against anyone who seeks to evade border control.
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Would you shoot the unarmed woman and children too? Or just the unarmed men?
 
The money was appropriated in March. This takes time. People are always looking for an instant quick-fix and that's not how this works.
 
You say that yet the drop of from the three countries she worked with is a significant drop....just luck I suppose.
 
This dumb as a rock Harris as "border czar" is still going on? Like I said, the way to recognize a dumb as a rock R argument is......they will beat that dead horse so far into the ground that it decomposes.
 
jnug said:
This dumb as a rock Harris as "border czar" is still going on? Like I said, the way to recognize a dumb as a rock R argument is......they will beat that dead horse so far into the ground that it decomposes.
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Interesting thought process. I wonder if it would be worth the effort to take a look at whether any left-leaning media entities have recently been writing up anything about the merits or demerits of the work VP Harris did (had/have done) in this arena of national issues.

In addition, I am wondering if she is still engaged in work in this arena of national interest. I think there are still state interests involved in this issue.

As I think about this I am wondering how dead that horse might be? (If there are degrees of death.) Seems I remember a recent post from another community member about there presently being 30,000 humans a month crossing the border into the U.S., but I don't remember if that member was referring to that number of folks being legal or illegal. Kind of looking like that horse isn't so dead. (Back to that degree of dead.)
 
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