Justice Dept. releases redacted Mar-a-Lago search affidavit

[snakestretcher]

So why hasn't he been arrested yet?

Patience; how long did it take to nail Al Capone? The feds are building a case, and these things take time. I'm sure your patience will be rewarded when Trump eventually faces charges.

 

[Michael Cole]

It's pretty simple. If he's negotiating whether the documents belong to NARA or not then it isn't willful.

What twisted logic. The act of negotiation is willful. Negotiating for the release of hostages doesn't mean they're not being willfully held.

Maybe stop twisting your mind into illogical knots defending the indefensible.

If he says, "**** you. They're mine" then it is willful.

Lol. He did say that, but it's irrelevant.

Stalling is willful. No one put a gun to Trump's head and forced him to "negotiate."

 

[holbritter]

You mean the AG, not the FBI. The FBI is a secondary player in this matter. The prosecutor under Garland is calling the shots. If you don't see in Trump's lawyer's letter to the DOJ that he knew that a warrant was inevitable and still chose, in writing, not to deal with the DOJ then none of us can help you understand what Trump was doing. He was given great deference and he chose to defy the law and more importantly disregard national security.

I will be honest and say that I truly think that Trump became intoxicated with the power the Presidency bestowed upon him and that power made him somewaht delusional in the sense he thinks he is truly omnipotent even after leaving office. The incredible devotion of his base and his ability to manipulate them has reinforced and solidified his perception. I don't think he is any longer capable of recognizing the trouble he is in.

Nailed it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Some people ask, why has FPOTUS not been indicted yet?

Here is the answer (IMHO): Because this case is so high profile, the DOJ and FBI are crossing every "T" and dotting every "I". They are going beyond the search warrant confiscation of illegal documents held by FPOTUS and his team on August 8th. They are going all the way back to track the documents to their source and how they got to MAL to begin with. They are going back to "who was responsible" in the FPOTUS administration for the transfer of documents to the NARA, who was responsible for Presidential Records and classified documents being shipped to MAL. They are building a paper trail (excuse the pun) back to the source and interviewing each individual in the chain.

Then when you start indicting people like in other organized crime cases. Start charging people lower in the rungs of the ladder and move your way up after securing the cooperation of subordinates. Establish a case of who, when, dates, times, places, correspondence (email, texts, memos), transportation documents. They already have security footage from MAL, they are going through that to identify each and every person that may have had access to the locations where the illegal documents were stored and will be bringing them into for depositions under oath.

The DOJ and FBI are the big leagues and they are very good at this. They gather the evidences first, then start with witnesses because as most reasonable people know. When interviewing/deposing witnesses - it's always good to have most of the answers you seek ahead of time so that they (the interviewee) can be caught in making untruthful statements. Then as it dawns in the individual that the interviewers have the goods, then more information is confirmed and new information is developed.

That's why (IMHO) we haven't seen an indictment yet, the DOJ/FBI is working up the food chain.

WW

 

[fmw]

Currently watching FOX news, they are STRUGGLING to spin it in a way that reflects negatively on the FBI and the DOJ.

The investigation is political activity and their politics don't mesh with yours. Perhaps you would be happier watching MSNBC.

 

[fmw]

Some people ask, why has FPOTUS not been indicted yet?

He won't be indicted. Indictment doesn't help anybody. It isn't even the goal. The goal is to keep Trump off the 2024 ballot. With any luck the voters will handle that for free.

 

[Paradoxical]

This is the goal. The public doesn't bother to rearch things and imagines that Trump had the nuclear codes he was ready to sell to Russia, so "Mission Accomplished' by the FBI in getting Trump. Bel;ow is the document.

 

[Paradoxical]

Ok. That may have been somewhat of an exaggeration. Someone posted this on Facebook as the full account of why The National Archives Trump hater got the FBI involved.

 

[jnug]

This is the goal. The public doesn't bother to rearch things and imagines that Trump had the nuclear codes he was ready to sell to Russia, so "Mission Accomplished' by the FBI in getting Trump. Bel;ow is the document.
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Nuclear codes to the Russians was NEVER one of the issues here. They change daily, maybe even less than more frequently than that. Nuclear secrets might be an issue.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Nuclear codes to the Russians was NEVER one of the issues here. They change daily, maybe even less than more frequently than that. Nuclear secrets might be an issue.

It's our spies and human resources. Many are already dead.

We're gonna have to start from scratch which means we won't know what the hell is going on in planes like Russia and Iran.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Paradoxical]

Nuclear codes to the Russians was NEVER one of the issues here. They change daily, maybe even less than more frequently than that. Nuclear secrets might be an issue.

I didn't see "nuclear secrets" mentioned anywhere in the heavily redacted document.

I do recall various MSM outlets contending that Trump had nuclear secrets. They appear to have been lying obnce again. Does MSM ever apologize to Americans for gaslighting them?

https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-secrets-already-fell-wrong-handstrumps-opinion-1733711

 

[CaughtInThe]

Hillary called it.

Props to her.

 

[Callen]

Except we don't know what they found or what they were looking for. I will however stipulate that it does appear that they found something. How big of a deal it is or of they found it using a legitimate justification remains unknown.

We do know what they found in the first load of boxes it was outlined in an unredacted section of the affidavit and that is what in part prompted the search warrant. Amongst the documents seized in June we're 25 "top secret" documents some of which contained detailed information about human sources intelligence (spies), electronic intelligence gathering and details on methods and procedures for intelligence gathering. That is why the Director of National Intelligence has been called in to assess the level of damage which may have been caused should the wrong eyes have seen it.

So why hasn't he been arrested yet?

Two reasons. The obvious is that Garland is a meticulous person who understands the sensitivity and importance of this case and will be sure any case is iron clad with every "I" dotted and "t" crossed before moving forward with criminal charges. However, my personal opinion is that they are investigating Trump for some bigger crime supported by these documents but not listed on the warrant. Perhaps what he did or intended to do with the documents. I think intent will play in in a significant way. If his intent was along the lines of a personal " scrapbook" the charges will be lesser than if the intent was personal profit. Motive takes a long while to establish.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Paradoxical]

An angry librarian at the National Archives was the one who called the FBI??? The FBI guy who generated this raid knew her and is an Obama donor, just like the judge. I never donated to any candidate in my life and we have all these FBI agents and judges donating to Obama and they aren't partisan?

Remember folks, Trump declassified EVERYTHING and just because the markings hadn't been removed doesn't make them stay classified.

 

[CaughtInThe]

This morning...

 

[Callen]

The reaction of some Trump supporters baffles me. I understand, although I think it is way out of proportion, their mistrust of the FBI however I don't understand their using that to justify Trump's behaviour. Putting the FBI aside, do they really believe Trump was justified in removing these documents and then purposely withholding them from the DOJ? Do they believe that top secret documents containing extremely sensitive intelligence information should be in his possession in an unsecured location?

Does what Hillary did justify Trump's actions? Does a low-level agent's mishandling of a FISA warrant justify what Trump did? Does Comey's handling of the disposition of Clinton's case justify Trump's endangering US national security? If they want to gripe about the FBI fine but that does not absolve Trump of his bad acts and should not be used as a reason to absolve him of accountability for any criminal acts he may have committed.

 

[Peacenik]

Justice Dept. releases redacted Mar-a-Lago search affidavit​

https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...and-politics-4ee554f467252929f96c70d42a93a05d
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department on Friday released a partially blacked-out document explaining the justification for an FBI search of former President Donald Trump’s Florida estate earlier this month, when agents removed top secret government records and other classified documents.

The document, even in its redacted form, is likely to offer at least some new details about an ongoing criminal investigation that has brought fresh legal peril for Trump just as he lays the groundwork for another presidential run.

Though Justice Department officials were expected to have removed sensitive details about witnesses, and the scope and direction of the probe, the affidavit may offer the fullest description yet about the events leading up to the Aug. 8 search of Mar-a-Lago.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is set to release Friday a heavily blacked out document explaining the justification for an FBI search of former President Donald Trump’s Florida estate earlier this month, when agents removed top secret government records and other classified documents.
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excerpt from the release of the affidavit;

"Further, the FBI agents observed markings reflecting the following compartment' dissemination controls: HCS, FISA, ORCON, NOFORN, and SI. Based on my training and experience, I know that documents classified at these levels typically contain NDL. Several of the documents also contained what appears to be FPOTUS's handwritten notes."

According to experts, documents marked as 'HCS' which is a reference to human intelligence sources. These are the types of sources that the CIA for instance, which controls a lot of these types of documents, they are receiving information from 'human sources' aka - spies.

Trump is in hot water and he is melting.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Paradoxical]

Trump is in hot water and he is melting.

What did they release? That Trump had documents that a librarian at the National Archives thought was classified. Doesn't she know that he declassified all of them BEFORE leaving office and that after 5 years, Obama still hasn't given the OK to release any documents from his administration? Was this school marm just mad that he didn't bring them to her library?

 

[Athanasius68]

Some people ask, why has FPOTUS not been indicted yet?

Here is the answer (IMHO): Because this case is so high profile, the DOJ and FBI are crossing every "T" and dotting every "I". They are going beyond the search warrant confiscation of illegal documents held by FPOTUS and his team on August 8th. They are going all the way back to track the documents to their source and how they got to MAL to begin with. They are going back to "who was responsible" in the FPOTUS administration for the transfer of documents to the NARA, who was responsible for Presidential Records and classified documents being shipped to MAL. They are building a paper trail (excuse the pun) back to the source and interviewing each individual in the chain.

Then when you start indicting people like in other organized crime cases. Start charging people lower in the rungs of the ladder and move your way up after securing the cooperation of subordinates. Establish a case of who, when, dates, times, places, correspondence (email, texts, memos), transportation documents. They already have security footage from MAL, they are going through that to identify each and every person that may have had access to the locations where the illegal documents were stored and will be bringing them into for depositions under oath.

The DOJ and FBI are the big leagues and they are very good at this. They gather the evidences first, then start with witnesses because as most reasonable people know. When interviewing/deposing witnesses - it's always good to have most of the answers you seek ahead of time so that they (the interviewee) can be caught in making untruthful statements. Then as it dawns in the individual that the interviewers have the goods, then more information is confirmed and new information is developed.

That's why (IMHO) we haven't seen an indictment yet, the DOJ/FBI is working up the food chain.

WW

However, the DOJ has been going scorched earth on Mr. Trump.
But it didn't do that with respect to Mrs. Clinton and her having mishandled classified information and destroying government documents.
That is also a factor that Garland has to consider when investigating Trump.

The DOJ wants two things here:
1. Its documents back
2. Information tying Trump to the Jan 6 riots

 

[Paradoxical]