Justice Dept. Issues 40 Subpoenas in Jan. 6 Inquiry

[eohrnberger]

5. The Mueller Report actually detailed 10 instances of obstruction of justice that over 1000 former federal prosecutors said rose to the high standards of federal indictment. Granted, these were not crimes committed by Trump with Russia, but were crimes committed against the United States in trying to cover up what he did with Russia.

As to actual guilt, I am glad to see that you somewhat grasped the concept. But what you are injecting is guilt from a political perspective. Yes, some of those things you articulate have some of the participants been branded guilty from a political perspective. But, the real mark of political guilt is when you are unelectable because people believe you are guilty. None of those circumstances articulates political guilt because most people don't wallow in conspiracy theories such as you articulate.

So these points are essentially the leftist version of history, a history re-write then? Yeah, sure sounds like it.

The underlying fact of the matter is that federal agencies were politicized under Obama and wielded as political weapons, something that hasn't yet been undone.

Further, the multiple instances of FBI investigative malfeasance (Horowitz), altering evidence fraud (Cleinsmith?), the FBI's FISA court fraud, an FBI paid for informant writing up fiction for their overly eager consumption (Danchenko) and then turning around and citing biased media in that FISA court warrantaffidavit, and the prosecutorial malfeasance of the Mueller team (as Mueller didn't appear to be any more in control of his faculties than Biden is now), and now your expectation is anything this organization has any credibility with anything in regards to Trump? (Much less anything else?)

Unbelievable.

You continue to claim CT, but if you check your facts (from unbiased sources), you'll find that these are indeed facts. Everyone's facts. No matter how much you try to deny them.

As I've posted multiple times now . . . Oh, hell, scroll back a few pages. It's there.

 

[NWRatCon]

So, no response. Thanks. My conscience is clear, and your troll diversion has failed.

For the record, I just want to record that eohrnberger made a claim that "As I've posted multiple times before, Trump will be held accountable for what crimes he actually committed". When I asked what crimes those might be, he avoided answering the question several times, and still has not done so. I think the record makes clear the claim was never in earnest, and that the responses were dishonest. I expected no better, and am vindicated.

 

[eohrnberger]

For the record, I just want to record that eohrnberger made a claim that "As I've posted multiple times before, Trump will be held accountable for what crimes he actually committed". When I asked what crimes those might be, he avoided answering the question several times, and still has not done so. I think the record makes clear the claim was never in earnest, and that the responses were dishonest. I expected no better, and am vindicated.

Discussing posters rather than the topic?

I have no basis for guessing what, or even if, Trump will be charged and / or convicted of.

My statement comes from the hope that the justice system here in the US hasn't been totally corrupted by the Democrats and their unequal treatment under the law which they support so much, as it constantly cuts in their favor.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Here's a Pro Tip: neither special consoles nor US District Attorneys exonerate people.

And yet Mueller said, if he found that, he would have said so. So now you know more about Mueller's job than Mueller did? Fascinating.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It's the DOJ's job to make certain that Individual X is proven guilty of Y, in which Y has been documented by professional law enforcement to have been illegally taken and found in possession of Individual X. What level of charges to eventually be applied to Individual X is unknown. imo

True, and it is totally irrelevant to proving whether or not "Y" is guilty of "Z" if "A" is guilty of "B".

 

[NWRatCon]

Sorry but you are so lost in conspiracy theories it isn't worth throwing you a life line. Every one of those statements is a twisted view of reality: a story that has been extrapolated beyond recognition based on a kernel of truth, which is what a conspiracy theory usually is.

Sometimes there is so much BS being spread around, one cannot smell oneself. Our friend keeps claiming objectivity, but demonstrating the exact opposite. To wit:
"Trump legal challenges to the election were going to achieve whatever they achieve - they didn't, but that doesn't mean there wasn't something legitimate them." To which the legal response is, "whaa"? Yet, in the same post: "Trump will be held accountable for whatever crimes he did commit, and not what crimes you imagine he committed or want to imagine he committed."

When something is just partisan bullshit, it smells like partisan bullshit. I would think that one who is so steeped in it would recognize it when he spreads it. But alas... he just spreads it on thicker. (Notice how he pre-butted Trump's likely conviction by claiming it wouldn't be "fair" if it is not in a Trump court?)

 

[NWRatCon]

I'm hoping I can get ahold of one of those "special consoles". I've had every Nintendo one since they released the first one. You think it is one of those?

 

[upsideguy]

So these points are essentially the leftist version of history, a history re-write then? Yeah, sure sounds like it.

The underlying fact of the matter is that federal agencies were politicized under Obama and wielded as political weapons, something that hasn't yet been undone.

Further, the multiple instances of FBI investigative malfeasance (Horowitz), altering evidence fraud (Cleinsmith?), the FBI's FISA court fraud, an FBI paid for informant writing up fiction for their overly eager consumption (Danchenko) and then turning around and citing biased media in that FISA court warrantaffidavit, and the prosecutorial malfeasance of the Mueller team (as Mueller didn't appear to be any more in control of his faculties than Biden is now), and now your expectation is anything this organization has any credibility with anything in regards to Trump? (Much less anything else?)

Unbelievable.

You continue to claim CT, but if you check your facts (from unbiased sources), you'll find that these are indeed facts. Everyone's facts. No matter how much you try to deny them.

As I've posted multiple times now . . . Oh, hell, scroll back a few pages. It's there.

Absolutely not. You obviously did not see a single cite I posted as they were substantially source documents supporting my point (the letter appointing Mueller, a letter from 1000 US attorneys that said Trump committed obstruction of justice and the Senate Intelligence committee report on Trump; the Mueller report). Two of the three news articles I showed you were from the AP, who hits as down the middle as it comes. Generally, any cite I post comes from a green boxed news source (generally central or modest lean in political bent; but with high factual integrity). I generally not post if I can not back up it with such a source.



Sorry, the skewed narrative is from you pal. Your news sources are from the extreme of the right, often conspiracy theory influenced and with a reckless disregard for facts. When you refer to the Russia investigation as a hoax, or federal agencies were politicized under Obama or think that it was started by or influenced by the Steele Dossier or that the FBI obtained a FISA warrant under false pretenses (FISA court has only turned down 84 applications out of 42,200 --- its a rubber stamp), its because you are wallowing in political porn that you unable to deal in truth. None of those things are "facts"; they are really wild-ass skewed opinions, at best, and really closer to wild conspiracy theories created by the wack-a-doo media from the extreme right and sold hook, line and sinker to people that read that smut devoid of the self respect to actually read real news.

It is just a hunch, but I bet some of your favorite sources can be found in the lower right of the above graph -- skewed and with no regards to facts. I say upgrade your news sources, pal. DP will thank you for it as informed posters present better arguments and are better posters.

 

[TomFitz]

So these points are essentially the leftist version of history, a history re-write then? Yeah, sure sounds like it.

The underlying fact of the matter is that federal agencies were politicized under Obama and wielded as political weapons, something that hasn't yet been undone.

Further, the multiple instances of FBI investigative malfeasance (Horowitz), altering evidence fraud (Cleinsmith?), the FBI's FISA court fraud, an FBI paid for informant writing up fiction for their overly eager consumption (Danchenko) and then turning around and citing biased media in that FISA court warrantaffidavit, and the prosecutorial malfeasance of the Mueller team (as Mueller didn't appear to be any more in control of his faculties than Biden is now), and now your expectation is anything this organization has any credibility with anything in regards to Trump? (Much less anything else?)

Unbelievable.

You continue to claim CT, but if you check your facts (from unbiased sources), you'll find that these are indeed facts. Everyone's facts. No matter how much you try to deny them.

As I've posted multiple times now . . . Oh, hell, scroll back a few pages. It's there.

Since you can’t make a fact based argument, and you know it. You substitute empty claims aobut the Obama administration politicizing federal agencies. Cite a real example.

Your taste for extremist right wing political porn shows!

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Since you can’t make a fact based argument, and you know it. You substitute empty claims aobut the Obama administration politicizing federal agencies. Cite a real example.

Your taste for extremist right wing political porn shows!

Shows?

Hell, he has admitted that he admires Francisco Franco and that he believes that the best form of government is one in which the military/clerical elite do the governing.

 

[NWRatCon]

Since you can’t make a fact based argument, and you know it. You substitute empty claims about the Obama administration politicizing federal agencies. Cite a real example.

Your taste for extremist right wing political porn shows!

I mentioned the concept in another thread, but I have found that Trump sycophants (and others) respond particularly strongly (hyperreactively) to supernormal stimuli; or even normal stimuli (hypersentivity). Their news sources tend to be hyperpartisan and over-the-top sensationalistic. As a result their posts here seem to mirror those same traits. The same is. of course, true of Trump himself, and his acolytes, reflexively. He overreacts to any criticism, and anything he mentions results in a hyperreaction in his followers, as does even the mildest criticism.

 

[uptower]

Well it took a day and like 4 different posters but I finally got an answer to my straightforward factual question.

What I think would have happened if the protestors got to Pence is, 1) they would have been shot because they were completely unarmed. 2) Nothing because it was too late for Pence to change his mind and make the decision he already rejected. Trumps legal strategy for changing the count couldnt have been implemented on the fly in that situation and wouldnt have been valid anyways because it was done under duress. More importantly while Ive seen the "tweeting about Pence during a riot is incidting" thing, They always characterized it before as trying to retaliate against him for not going with the Eastman memos not an attempt to implement them because that makes no sense. The running theme here, as in all the answers Ive got, is that the legal challenges to the Election were themselves what was considered the Coup by BlueAnon and pretending to be outraged about desecrating the sacred temple of democracy they cheered being desecrated a few a months earlier is just because it makes better copy.

But that is in fact an "incompetent coup" chud masterplan. You did answer my question.

Also just an aside, what do you think would have happened to the sitting President of the United States if the peaceful protestors who tried to breach the white house during the DC Floyd riots had gotten to him?

 

[Plasmaball]

I mentioned the concept in another thread, but I have found that Trump sycophants (and others) respond particularly strongly (hyperreactively) to supernormal stimuli; or even normal stimuli (hypersentivity). Their news sources tend to be hyperpartisan and over-the-top sensationalistic. As a result their posts here seem to mirror those same traits. The same is. of course, true of Trump himself, and his acolytes, reflexively. He overreacts to any criticism, and anything he mentions results in a hyperreaction in his followers, as does even the mildest criticism.

Everything that happens has never happened before even though it has

 

[NolanVoyd]

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What a nut job!

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Biden did!! He lied again!

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Oh, stop.

The right-wing doesn't like to be held accountable and they are screaming like little girls because they are being held accountable.

This has nothing to do with Biden. Quit spewing right-wing propaganda.

 

[soap box]

You have just seen the morphing of "Whataboutism" into "Whataboutifism".

The ultimate defence that says "X is not guilty of Y(v.1) because A -did- MIGHT HAVE done Y(v.2.9).".

I mean to defend our fellow member who posted in the grammatic conditional tense. Even so, I'll still adopt your phrase 'whataboutifism'. Good one.

In this reply to our other fellow member, I consider his question in the middle paragraph open ended and clear. What do you think of that single point- Do you agree that DjT is issuing a threat?

 

[ambinonapronon]

Is Trump a God to you? Because the investigation is related to Trump's criminal actions.

No. He’s a god to you.

 

[yankintx]

Nixon holds the record for most people arrested in the Executive Branch of a presidential administration. George W. Bush appears to be second and Ronald Reagan third. Huh, they are all Republicans.

Maybe Trump can beat Nixon's record.

At least Reagan can fall back on the Alzheimers excuse, it obvious by 86. .

The other two not so much.

 

[ambinonapronon]

At least Reagan can fall back on the Alzheimers excuse, it obvious by 86. .

The other two not so much.

Ghost hand shakes, bruh.

 

[Integrityrespec]

My hope is that many of these subpoenas are for legislators who were involved with 1/6//21 activities.

Justice Dept. Issues 40 Subpoenas in Jan. 6 Inquiry - News Cinema

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has issued about 40 subpoenas over the past week seeking information about the actions of former President Donald J. Trump and his associates related to the 2020 election and the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, according to people familiar with the...

newscinema.in

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has issued about 40 subpoenas over the past week seeking information about the actions of former President Donald J. Trump and his associates related to the 2020 election and the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, according to people familiar with the situation.

Two top Trump advisers, Boris Epshteyn and Mike Roman, had their phones seized as evidence, those people said.



According to one subpoena obtained by The New York Times, the subpoenas asked for any records or communications from people who organized, spoke at or provided security for Mr. Trump’s rally at the Ellipse. They also requested information about any members of the executive and legislative branches who may have taken part in planning or executing the rally, or tried to “obstruct, influence, impede or delay” the certification of the presidential election.

Lets talk about the future. When the republicans take back the House and begin their investigation of the Biden money connection to China and they subpoena all the Bidens' including Joe, Jim, Hunter, Jill and the rest are there going to be charges and prosecutions by DOJ for not showing up to testify?

 

[Integrityrespec]

40 subpoenas, seized phones. This is serious business.

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Want to know why no republicans care. Hillary, private server, hammered phones, bleach bit tech, Trump russian collusion lie, FISA court lies, meddling i election by Hillary campaign and FBI/DOJ. It's all facts.

 

[yankintx]

Ghost hand shakes, bruh.

Bruh ?

What's that ?

 

[ambinonapronon]

Bruh ?

What's that ?

Every gender...ever...post

 

[Elmo]

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Want to know why no republicans care. Hillary, private server, hammered phones, bleach bit tech,

Hey, as it turns out, the President is the ultimate classification authority. Apparently, President Obama had no problem with her conduct. Hell, I've even been told that Presidents can declassify documents in their head, without any process. I guess Obama must have declassified everything on the server, so why do you and your ilk still care?

Trump russian collusion lie,

Wasn't a lie.

FISA court lies,

Nothing that made a difference.

meddling i election by Hillary campaign and FBI/DOJ.

Not what happened.

It's all facts.

You wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over it

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I mean to defend our fellow member who posted in the grammatic conditional tense. Even so, I'll still adopt your phrase 'whataboutifism'. Good one.

In this reply to our other fellow member, I consider his question in the middle paragraph open ended and clear. What do you think of that single point- Do you agree that DjT is issuing a threat?

Quite frankly Mr. Trump IS a threat. He mobilizes the dark side of society in order to create a "perfect world" wherein he (and his ilk) can have total control and reap maximum financial gain REGARDLESS of the effects his actions have on the average person in the country.

Mr. Trump IS a threat because so many of his fellow Americans are more than eager to put their own welfare ahead of anything else and would vote for "Satan [_[fill in name of political party supported]_]" in preference to "God [_[fill in name of political party not supported_]" or fall into the

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