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Just something I ran across...Vietnam Vets.

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To me this crosses all lines No matter what party you belong.

I do not agree with "Its too late" I believe its only too late after they have died.

I recently told a member here since I was 12 years old I have thanked and shook the hand of every Vietnam Vet I have met.

It’s beyond my words to express my heart-felt thanks for the Service they gave and sacrifice they have suffered.
 
It's sad that this is so true.

I joined the Air Force just after 9/11 - and no, I didn't join because of 9/11. I'd been talking to my recruiters long before that. :mrgreen: But I can't tell you how many times I would run to Wal Mart after work, still in my uniform, to grab a couple of things I needed, and was stopped by someone wanting to shake my hand and tell me "thank you" for my service. Brought tears to my eyes every time, because I never thought I was doing anything "special"....joining the service just felt right to me at the time.

But I also can't tell you how many times I was out and about and heard people bashing the troops left and right. I always kept my cool and walked away, but inside, I was seething. These are the people that don't realize that those same troops really are defending their right to say those sorts of things.

I just wish more people would step up to the plate and do something good for our troops. Slapping a magnet on the back of your car isn't enough. Something as simple as saying "thank you" when you see a troop in public means the world to them.

So THANK YOU to my fellow debaters that were/are my fellow brothers and sisters in arms. Once a troop, always a troop, and regardless of the branch you served in, how long you served, or, here on this board, what your political leaning is, and regardless of if our paths had never crossed, you all hold a special place in my hearts just because we all served a common goal.
 
Most Viet Nam vets did not get treated badly, except of course by the government and corporations. This constant whining about VN vets getting reviled and 'spit on' is just bullshit. Ever since that stupid *** 'Rambo' movie came out in 1982, we' ve been hearing bullshit stories and throwing big Pity Parties for the most coddled group of veterans in American history, outside of ROAD lifers.
 
These are the people that don't realize that those same troops really are defending their right to say those sorts of things.

see these people probably think that the troops are not defending their right to say these things. I don'tb blame the troops but i don't think they are fighting in iraq to defend freedom of speech in the US
 


And you know this from personal experience?
I have seen first hand how Vietnam veterans were treated returning to the states.
To this day I remember how my uncles were treated with the retarded remarks when The wore their uniforms in public in the early 70’s so you my friend can f**k off.
Its not a pity party its about showing respect to the men and women who didn’t run to Canada like pu$$ies.
 
Its not a pity party its about showing respect to the men and women who didn’t run to Canada like pu$$ies.

if i had been around at the time i would have been the one in the front of the queue buying that ticket to canada....i don't want to be in some foriegn country fighting a war that i don't believe in very dodgy situation.....
where would i have gone to in canada is a different matter..any recommendations??
 
Willoughby said:
see these people probably think that the troops are not defending their right to say these things.

That's what I said.

I don'tb blame the troops but i don't think they are fighting in iraq to defend freedom of speech in the US

Based upon your other responses, is it safe to assume that you've never served in the military?

The freedom of speech thing has nothing to do with war, per se. The troops here at home are doing it, too. Civilians just don't realize how important our military is, unless they are very closely connected to someone that has served. Cherokee, what do you think?
 
This constant whining about VN vets getting reviled and 'spit on' is just bullshit.

How 'bout some personal experience from a Vietnam vet? I returned to 'the world' in late '68, a time when our efforts in VN were not quite yet the target of the largest demonstrations that came a year or so later. Returning to a somewhat conservative medium sized city in the mid-south, I experienced only a mild bit of 'baiting' initially. But by the fall of '70, when I returned to college, it was getting pretty awful, especially on campus. "Reviled and spit on"? You betcha. Called 'baby killers' and worse? That too.

Quite a few returning vets took advantage of the GI Bill to start or resume getting an education. Most of us got more of an 'education' than we bargained for...

Nope. Not BS. I was there. I lived it.

Notice my avatar? That is the unit patch of the 9th Inf Div. I was with the 9th Inf Div in '67 & '68. The 9th ID was known as the 'Old Reliables', hence my screen name.

BTW, yeah, I really am that old!
 


They dont understand and I dont think any amount of TV will help them.

You have to remember that the warrior doesn't pick the war he fights in, the war picks him.

In the Movie "We were soliders" at the very end hes said.
"They went becuase their country asked them to go"
 
oldreliable67, Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

Semper Fi

:memorial_
 
Since before 911, I always pick up a tab for our fellow military members. Did 13 myself. As for those that ran for the border, the worst mistake ever was letting them back in.
Should have made them stay, or did their jail time. There were those that refused to go for religious reasons. I know a couple, and they, in some instances, served time for it. But at least they had the courage to do what they believed in.
Those that ran? Chickensh!ts, to the last one.
I thank all those that served in the service, or supported them. Not everyone has what it takes to serve.
 

Ooh, ooh, I got called a baby killer once, too!!! :roll:

You're not THAT old, my friend. Now, if you had served in WWII, that'd be another story. :mrgreen:
 
Stace said:
Ooh, ooh, I got called a baby killer once, too!!! :roll:

You're not THAT old, my friend. Now, if you had served in WWII, that'd be another story. :mrgreen:


The correct PC term today is "Helpless victims of American Imperialism."
 
Stace said:
Ooh, ooh, I got called a baby killer once, too!!! :roll:

The only time I ever on retarded remarks like that was in the Marine JROTC in High School.
 
Maybe people should do more of those kind of things for single mothers. Meaning no disrespect but the military--minus the propaganda--is a business of those who kill on behalth of their government. Obviously, those who are involved with the military believe in what they are doing and--for the most part are brave--but I just think that with everything going on right now, the military is overy glorified for uses of propaganda, hence the reason why Support Our Troops is one of the biggest 'I'm for George W Bush and the war' indicators out there.

The reason why the military aren't recognized as heroes outside of war is because the State doesn't require military propaganda outside of war. The "troops" are an invisible group of people, not the figureheads that they are in War.

Soldiering is a job like anyother. A job that is neccesary in order to protect us. But, like in any other job, you gotta do what the boss tells you. With the State as the boss, you can gurantee that soldiers will not be doing the right thing all the time. The fact that people have such respect for the soldiers as compared to everyone else is an obvious effect of propaganda. The State needs these soldiers to be loved. If people considered soldiers to be machines similar to workers in factories, the people won't be into the war. If that is so, the most moral members of society will recognize that soldiers are human beings and oppose that. That is something which govenrment cannot have.

Because no man is a machine, despite any kind of military indoctrination. The state either has to have people believe they are machines (which is impossible) or to have us love them so much that we forget what they are are about. This is the basis of how a war can be supported and how an unjust war can survive without criticism. If you criticize the state, you criticize the troops. But we love the troops so we won't criticize the state. That is the implied message of those yellow ribbons. But please don't think that I do not support the troops'. I prefer to think of them as human beings as opposed to soldiers. I prefer to be on the common man's side, as opposed to the State.
 

Yet I know vets that say your completely and totally 100% wrong .. Imagine that ......
 

NO .. but feel free to leave now......No need for a round trip :lol:
 
NO .. but feel free to leave now......No need for a round trip
No u get me wrong, i wouldn't like to live in the US to start with, not with all the **** kicking off there at the moment
 
Just speaking for myself, a young hippy too young to have, much less burn, a draft card, back during Nam, I never once disrespected the VN vets. To this day, I honor their sacrifices. As do/did all my other "hippy" friends.

I have heard for years about the disrespect VN vets encountered so I know it must be true. But I have never participated or experienced anyone else in my "liberal circles" doing that at all. Never.

The beef was with the war, not the soldiers. At least it was in my neck o' the woods. Anyone pointing their frustrations towards our soldiers was clearly out of line and me and my hippy friends would be the first to tell them so.

Veterans ROCK! I am honored to shake their hand.
 

the analogy of a soldier to a regular worker might work these days, but only becuase the US hasn't reinstituted the draft. A person today might be in the army as a career but back then he was there solely at the call of his country... its a pretty big diferance
 


No. That is completely incorrect. You can say what you want about the pols and their cronies. I don't really care. But the personnel in the military are NOT like any other person you know. It takes a rare breed to survive in the military, and to make it a success.
Those that are getting fried for their comments are those same ones that are condemning the military, and appeasing the terrorists, no one else. Kerry, Murtha, all those other morons, all labeled the men and women as basic criminals. That is why they are getting attacked.
Falsely clouding the issue won't change the truth. It will just confuse those who don't know anything.
 
But the personnel in the military are NOT like any other person you know. It takes a rare breed to survive in the military, and to make it a success.

No it doesnt it just takes someone willing to hide homosexuality, forget sexual attacks made on their person, someone willing to not see injustices and do as they're told regardless of what the task at hand may be.

Those that are getting fried for their comments are those same ones that are condemning the military, and appeasing the terrorists, no one else.

People have a right to not like the military. Others just dont respect their opinions. Ironic for a country with such freedom.

Kerry, Murtha, all those other morons, all labeled the men and women as basic criminals. That is why they are getting attacked.

I dont see everyone in the U.S. military being a criminal....but if you start adding all the unreported rapes that have gone on the military, the insensible beatings of homosexuals in the military, the "incidents" at Abu Ghraib etc. I'd say quite a few are criminals

Falsely clouding the issue won't change the truth. It will just confuse those who don't know anything.

Better words have never been spoken.
 
Davo said:
No it doesnt it just takes someone willing to hide homosexuality, forget sexual attacks made on their person, someone willing to not see injustices and do as they're told regardless of what the task at hand may be.

It's obvious you've never been in the military. You have no clue what is going on in it. As for 'attacks' on the homosexuals, where are they? As for blindly doing as they are told, you truly have no concept of the UCMJ. Just more liberal bullsh!t. (Note to the dems out there: I am not lumping a dem with a lib. Different creatures.)

Davo said:
People have a right to not like the military. Others just dont respect their opinions. Ironic for a country with such freedom.

Never said they don't have the option to not like the military. But they also owe freedom of speech to that same unit they hate. Kind of ironic. And part of that freedom of speech is my right to disagree wtih all your bunk.


Here goes the :spin: Unreported crimes again. If you have no concrete evidence, you have nothing but hype. And that isn't worth the paper it is written on on the internet. Abu Ghraib is ongoing and they are getting to everyone responsible.
Less than 1% are criminals.
 




Never said they don't have the option to not like the military. But they also owe freedom of speech to that same unit they hate. Kind of ironic. And part of that freedom of speech is my right to disagree wtih all your bunk.

I dont understand what that has to do with anything.



Ok acording to those numbers...for every 1000 soldiers....1 gets raped/sodomized. Now...make an educated guess...about all the other people in the army who are raped/sodomized and dont come forward.
 
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