Imudman
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Imudman said:Can a person be -
1. FOR individual liberties; and
2. AGAINST unrestricted access to abortion; and
3. UNDECIDED about the current war on terrorism and Iraq; and
STILL be considered a liberal?
That settles it then. After some of the conservatives on this board have embarrassed themselves so badly recently, I've decided to re-align myself with the liberals. I'm serious about this. I've come to realize that the liberals here that I respect outnumber the ones that I don't. Maybe it's my age, but I remember when being liberal was a good thing...Pacridge said:I think the spectrum varies as much as the population. So yes, people can consider them self to be whatever they want. I think you could be against the current war in Iraq and for unrestricted access to abortion and consider yourself conservative.
No, not you. I don't want to name names, but there's a couple on here that are real... well, let's just say they've suffered from rectal cranium inversions.Connecticutter said:So, it depends, I guess. How do you think that conservatives have embarrassed themselves on this board? I hope you're not talking about me.
Actually, it's due to my conversations with you that I realized it's possible for a person to hold liberal beliefs, yet still be opposed to things like socialism. I want to thank you for that...galenrox said:you can't be that old, but yes, being a liberal does not neccisarily mean that you agree with all liberal stand points, just more than the conservatives. Like fiscally I'm extremely conservative, I believe in a small federal government, state's rights, gun rights, and no censorship (which goes against both sides), but I consider myself a liberal.
Imudman said:For instance, I can agree with many conservative positions, but I can't agree with the idea that liberalism is a mental disorder.
That's why I've been trying to understand the contemporary meaning of the word liberal. It's been twisted into meaning something it shouldn't. Same with conservative. All the talk about being left and right of center is just a bunch of hooey, unless you're trying to persuade someone to vote your way. But liberal has meaning - empowering people with rights due to them.Connecticutter said:...The conservatives which you speak of (the ones that are becoming like socialists) are really non-conservatives posing as conservatives to get elected. Or perhaps they get elected and change their mind. I don't know what happens. Bush isn't even the main culprit - there's congress, too. I don't even know what right and left mean anymore.
Neither can I, both sides have very good points and both have their members who are so far gone that they forget that theirs is not the only opinion that counts.Imudman said:For instance, I can agree with many conservative positions, but I can't agree with the idea that liberalism is a mental disorder.Nothing to argue there, of course, any closed mind is a bad thing.That just tends to dehumanize people who disagree with the current conservative talking points.
I consider myself a true conservative, I don't care what you do as long as it hurts no one else, same as the way you spend your money, do as you wish, and honestly, the only way to offend me is to speak of more regulation and intrusion. My own held beliefs:I believe in personal liberty, less government intrusion into my life. It seems to me it's the conservatives and the socialists who share the same goal - to get into my life and my wallet in order to control other people...
1) anti-Federalist, states should be left alone to their own design and Federal should only control that which the founders considered to be their authority.
2) Constructionist- rights exist naturally and the only way to limit it is to prove extreme circumstances which would cause an immediate, provable threat to others.
galenrox said:you can't be that old, but yes, being a liberal does not neccisarily mean that you agree with all liberal stand points, just more than the conservatives. Like fiscally I'm extremely conservative, I believe in a small federal government, state's rights, gun rights, and no censorship (which goes against both sides), but I consider myself a liberal.
Imudman said:That settles it then. After some of the conservatives on this board have embarrassed themselves so badly recently, I've decided to re-align myself with the liberals. I'm serious about this. I've come to realize that the liberals here that I respect outnumber the ones that I don't. Maybe it's my age, but I remember when being liberal was a good thing...
TJS0110 said:Ya i used to consider myself a republican but then i saw all the contradictions in the republican party and in the democratic party so i went nuetral but now i desided that i might be a libertarian not sure though
Pacridge said:The think the Libertarians have a lot going for them. Wish some of our smaller parties had more power. Course then I think about groups like the American Nazi party and I'm glad they don't.
TJS0110 said:Do u mean the libertarians have alot of power?
Nightmare? Like on Elm Street? Freddy's no match for common sense...:lol:Pacridge said:Welcome to my nightmare...I think you're gonna like it.
galenrox said:yeah, back in high school I used to volunteer for the libertarian party to convince little fringe sects to vote libertarian, such as the objectivists. I did it for only a short time, because I realized that a large sect of the libertarian party, mostly those in control, are completely insane. I support a libertarian belief system, but I also believe in certain aspects of governmental intervention in areas that we should be good enough people to take care of on our own, but don't, and to have the government interfere until we become capable of doing these things on our own, and have their stated goals on social welfare to be temporary until the private sector has enough public backing in donations and volunteering to deal with the impoverished, and I mean all of them, in the country.
Imudman said:Nightmare? Like on Elm Street? Freddy's no match for common sense...:lol:
galenrox said:bru ha ha, Alice Cooper is a match for ANYTHING!!!
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