Just because we can't see it don't mean diddly

[Paradoxical]

I don't smoke anymore but someone here who does smoke can do this test. Before I say what the test is, I want everyone to think of being in Las Vegas or some other area such as a bar or home where people smoke. Ceilings and walls actually get a yellow tint from the nicotine in smoke if not painted. That shows you how far smoke travels.

Take a drag off your cigarette/ Then put whatever mask you would wear in the grocery store on. Don't even try to blow the smoke out to see how far it would go. Just breathe out normally. See what happens to the smoke. It goes right through masks of ANY material. Now blow out the smoke as if you were talking and see how far it goes. You'll see it wafting into the air and usually it will rise but what you don't see generally is that it also falls. In any event, someone as much as 10 feet away from you would be able to not only smell that smoke but be breathing it in. Naturally, you smell with your nose meaning that with a mask you breathe in those smoke particles. At this point, I believe I have demonstrated that a sneeze or a cough would make no difference except that the smoke would get to you quicker. Suffice to say that smoke particles will go from a smoker with a mask to someone else with a mask. A surefire way to test this is for any smoke here to do this test with someone else at home, which is what the idiotic lab guys SHOULD have done. Sometimes, the simplest method is the easiest one. yet the new high priests of the left are never questioned. They are just accepted as gospel. By the way, COVID viruses don't have to attach themselves to water molecules which os the silly test method they used.

Some of you are thinking now that maybe COVID is heavier than smoke particles. Nope. I looked it up. They are almost identical in weight. What this means is that COVID goes straight through masks and if you can smell someone else's smoke through your mask while they also have a mask and blow smoke casually through out, you WILL also get COVID virus in the same manner, mask or no mask. COVID goes right through them.

Someone here claims he is a scientist. I forget who. Prove me wrong with my thesis. I have already made several posts on this to the sound of crickets.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Nope. I looked it up. They are almost identical in weight. What this means is that COVID.

Feel free to share your source.

 

[Paradoxical]

Feel free to share your source.

My source is Google that shows the weight of smoke particulates and Covid.

This is the thing. 2000 years ago, people didn't have the wherewithal to check what religious proselytizers were telling them. They were literally browbeat into accepting what they were TOLD as facts. Things like visions and resurrections and miracles.Even just 30-40 years ago, humans didn't have the capability of checking out what the media and other alleged professionals uness they wanted to spend days or even weeks at some library researching.

Today we can, and you should.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I don't smoke anymore but someone here who does smoke can do this test. Before I say what the test is, I want everyone to think of being in Las Vegas or some other area such as a bar or home where people smoke. Ceilings and walls actually get a yellow tint from the nicotine in smoke if not painted. That shows you how far smoke travels.

Take a drag off your cigarette/ Then put whatever mask you would wear in the grocery store on. Don't even try to blow the smoke out to see how far it would go. Just breathe out normally. See what happens to the smoke. It goes right through masks of ANY material. Now blow out the smoke as if you were talking and see how far it goes. You'll see it wafting into the air and usually it will rise but what you don't see generally is that it also falls. In any event, someone as much as 10 feet away from you would be able to not only smell that smoke but be breathing it in. Naturally, you smell with your nose meaning that with a mask you breathe in those smoke particles. At this point, I believe I have demonstrated that a sneeze or a cough would make no difference except that the smoke would get to you quicker. Suffice to say that smoke particles will go from a smoker with a mask to someone else with a mask. A surefire way to test this is for any smoke here to do this test with someone else at home, which is what the idiotic lab guys SHOULD have done. Sometimes, the simplest method is the easiest one. yet the new high priests of the left are never questioned. They are just accepted as gospel. By the way, COVID viruses don't have to attach themselves to water molecules which os the silly test method they used.

Some of you are thinking now that maybe COVID is heavier than smoke particles. Nope. I looked it up. They are almost identical in weight. What this means is that COVID goes straight through masks and if you can smell someone else's smoke through your mask while they also have a mask and blow smoke casually through out, you WILL also get COVID virus in the same manner, mask or no mask. COVID goes right through them.

Someone here claims he is a scientist. I forget who. Prove me wrong with my thesis. I have already made several posts on this to the sound of crickets.

Probably because the way a thesis works is it’s the person proposing it who is responsible for proving it. It’s not for everyone else to debunk something you came up with.

The fact that you are already mocking ”idiotic lab guys” who clearly have more training, experience, and education than you suggests you’re not really interested in being debunked anyway. You just want to fight about your made up theory.

 

[Paradoxical]

Probably because the way a thesis works is it’s the person proposing it who is responsible for proving it. It’s not for everyone else to debunk something you came up with.

The fact that you are already mocking ”idiotic lab guys” who clearly have more training, experience, and education than you suggests you’re not really interested in being debunked anyway. You just want to fight about your made up theory.

Why didn't they just use two people with masks and without masks smoking? Instead of fluffing sheets and seeing where the lint would go they could have used ACTUAL HUMANS and thousands of them as there are many smokers in the world. One guy would smoke and another in a chair 6 feet away and both wearing masks. You smell the smoke, you're ded.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Why didn't they just use two people with masks and without masks smoking?

You’re still asking me to disprove something you haven’t proven.

And: your potus is now sick with a preventable disease most likely because of teh WH’s shitty protocols other than testing. Chris Christie said at debate prep they wore no masks, practiced no distancing. So you’ll just have to forgive me if I don’t take any attempts at science-knowin’ on your part that seriously.

Feel free to answer your own question. it’s okay to put some work into things beyond demanding someone else do it for you.

 

[Visbek]

Take a drag off your cigarette/ Then put whatever mask you would wear in the grocery store on...

Wow!!! Deep science!!!

You can't even bother to run the experiment yourself, and you declare victory? SCIENCE!! PROOF!!!

Back in the real world, there are already tons of videos showing how yes, masks do work, and do in fact alter the path of moisture from breath, coughs, and so on.








This guy even used a vaporizer, and the masks clearly altered the path of the vapor:

Let's see if these masks hold in coughing using vaping

Im not in the medical field, I've only made a very short video to make a quick point. If need be I can make a longer video with further reasearch and good fa...

www.youtube.com

A surefire way to test this is for any smoke here to do this test with someone else at home, which is what the idiotic lab guys SHOULD have done.

lol

So, the guy who doesn't even follow his own suggested test is smarter than the people who not only do these kinds of tests, they actually filmed it. lol

Some of you are thinking now that maybe COVID is heavier than smoke particles. Nope. I looked it up. They are almost identical in weight.

LOL

1) It's not about weight. It's about the size of the particles relative to the gaps in the mask/filter.

2) You haven't proven ANYTHING, because YOU HAVEN'T RUN YOUR OWN EXPERIMENT.

Oh, wait. You did prove one thing -- that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and don't even know the basic concepts of science.

 

[Paradoxical]

Wow!!! Deep science!!!

You can't even bother to run the experiment yourself, and you declare victory? SCIENCE!! PROOF!!!

Back in the real world, there are already tons of videos showing how yes, masks do work, and do in fact alter the path of moisture from breath, coughs, and so on.








This guy even used a vaporizer, and the masks clearly altered the path of the vapor:

Let's see if these masks hold in coughing using vaping

Im not in the medical field, I've only made a very short video to make a quick point. If need be I can make a longer video with further reasearch and good fa...

www.youtube.com

lol

So, the guy who doesn't even follow his own suggested test is smarter than the people who not only do these kinds of tests, they actually filmed it. lol



LOL

1) It's not about weight. It's about the size of the particles relative to the gaps in the mask/filter.

2) You haven't proven ANYTHING, because YOU HAVEN'T RUN YOUR OWN EXPERIMENT.

Oh, wait. You did prove one thing -- that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and don't even know the basic concepts of science.

So, you believe a lab wonk who did not use humans because he has initials behind his name?

You know all that there tests showed, right? How far H2O molecules go through cloth.

 

[Paradoxical]

You’re still asking me to disprove something you haven’t proven.

And: your potus is now sick with a preventable disease most likely because of teh WH’s shitty protocols other than testing. Chris Christie said at debate prep they wore no masks, practiced no distancing. So you’ll just have to forgive me if I don’t take any attempts at science-knowin’ on your part that seriously.

Feel free to answer your own question. it’s okay to put some work into things beyond demanding someone else do it for you.

MANY people got Covid. MANY people survived. Not sure what your point is. People WITH masks got COVID all over America.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

MANY people got Covid. MANY people survived. Not sure what your point is. People WITH masks got COVID all over America.

Of course many people survived, this isn’t the end of the world plague. ANd sure, people who masked got covid because no one offered that it was 100% guarantee. It’s best practices, used in conjunction.

See? There is no part of science that you are even remotely interested in. Just your feelings about science.

 

[ataraxia]

I don't smoke anymore but someone here who does smoke can do this test. Before I say what the test is, I want everyone to think of being in Las Vegas or some other area such as a bar or home where people smoke. Ceilings and walls actually get a yellow tint from the nicotine in smoke if not painted. That shows you how far smoke travels.

Take a drag off your cigarette/ Then put whatever mask you would wear in the grocery store on. Don't even try to blow the smoke out to see how far it would go. Just breathe out normally. See what happens to the smoke. It goes right through masks of ANY material. Now blow out the smoke as if you were talking and see how far it goes. You'll see it wafting into the air and usually it will rise but what you don't see generally is that it also falls. In any event, someone as much as 10 feet away from you would be able to not only smell that smoke but be breathing it in. Naturally, you smell with your nose meaning that with a mask you breathe in those smoke particles. At this point, I believe I have demonstrated that a sneeze or a cough would make no difference except that the smoke would get to you quicker. Suffice to say that smoke particles will go from a smoker with a mask to someone else with a mask. A surefire way to test this is for any smoke here to do this test with someone else at home, which is what the idiotic lab guys SHOULD have done. Sometimes, the simplest method is the easiest one. yet the new high priests of the left are never questioned. They are just accepted as gospel. By the way, COVID viruses don't have to attach themselves to water molecules which os the silly test method they used.

Some of you are thinking now that maybe COVID is heavier than smoke particles. Nope. I looked it up. They are almost identical in weight. What this means is that COVID goes straight through masks and if you can smell someone else's smoke through your mask while they also have a mask and blow smoke casually through out, you WILL also get COVID virus in the same manner, mask or no mask. COVID goes right through them.

Someone here claims he is a scientist. I forget who. Prove me wrong with my thesis. I have already made several posts on this to the sound of crickets.

this video shows a nice experiment showing how spit travels with and without a mask.

 

[Paradoxical]

this video shows a nice experiment showing how spit travels with and without a mask.

Audience...PUHLEEZE stay of track. I am talking about how SMOKE particles, basically the same size as COVID particles travel through masks.

I don't give a whit or a spit about spit or sneezes without masks.

 

[ataraxia]

So, you believe a lab wonk who did not use humans because he has initials behind his name?

You know all that there tests showed, right? How far H2O molecules go through cloth.

Studies show Coronavirus travels primarily through air-borne droplets.

“Succinct and straightforward, the statement puts forward the expert opinion of the Penn Healthcare Epidemiologists’ Workgroup:

• No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
• The overwhelming majority of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is via large respiratory droplets as conclusively demonstrated by contact tracing studies, cluster investigations, the lack of infection spread in hospital settings with universal masking protocols and the low estimated R”
  
  

  COVID-19: Droplet or Airborne Transmission? Penn Medicine Epidemiologists Issue Statement - Penn Medicine

  The coronavirus airborne vs. droplet transmission controversy currently involves scientists with very different perspectives on viral transmission—those involved in the study of airflow in contained environments, and those who research viral infection and spread in populations.

  www.pennmedicine.org

 

[ataraxia]

Audience...PUHLEEZE stay of track. I am talking about how SMOKE particles, basically the same size as COVID particles travel through masks.

I don't give a whit or a spit about spit or sneezes without masks.

well that’s the main way the virus travels: water droplets. Smoke is not a good model.

 

[Paradoxical]

Studies show Coronavirus travels primarily through air-borne droplets.

“Succinct and straightforward, the statement puts forward the expert opinion of the Penn Healthcare Epidemiologists’ Workgroup:

• No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
• The overwhelming majority of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is via large respiratory droplets as conclusively demonstrated by contact tracing studies, cluster investigations, the lack of infection spread in hospital settings with universal masking protocols and the low estimated R”
  
  

  COVID-19: Droplet or Airborne Transmission? Penn Medicine Epidemiologists Issue Statement - Penn Medicine

  The coronavirus airborne vs. droplet transmission controversy currently involves scientists with very different perspectives on viral transmission—those involved in the study of airflow in contained environments, and those who research viral infection and spread in populations.

  www.pennmedicine.org

Since they did NOT have the COVID virus in the lab tests, can you tell me how they could reach the conclusion that it only attaches to H2O?

 

[ataraxia]

Since they did NOT have the COVID virus in the lab tests, can you tell me how they could reach the conclusion that it only attaches to H2O?

Because the observed transmission rate and patterns reflect a water droplet transmission model, not a dry aerosolized particle transmission model.

Isn’t science great?

 

[Paradoxical]

Because the observed transmission rate and patterns reflect a water droplet transmission model, not a dry aerosolized particle transmission model.

Isn’t science great?

Really? Try this:

Although spread of SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be primarily via respiratory droplets, the contribution of small respirable particles to close proximity transmission is currently uncertain. Airborne transmission from person-to-person over long distances is unlikely.

Also from this study by a doctor:

http://image.www2.pennmedicine.org/lib/fe2d117170640478711179/m/1/d6cef08a-993b-4f2f-b2c9-8a89b8bcf373.pdf?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=SFMC&_ga=2.79883921.728955581.1601646033-394718890.1601646033

“Outside of medical facilities, some outbreak reports related to indoor crowded spaces have suggested the possibility of aerosol transmission, for example during choir practice, in restaurants or in fitness classes. In these events, short-range aerosol transmission, particularly in specific indoor locations, such as crowded and inadequately ventilated spaces over a prolonged period of time with infectious persons, cannot be ruled out.

Summary Conclusions: 1. Scientists studying the physics of air flow have demonstrated evidence supporting the possibility of aerosol transmission

Once again, and as I have pointed out continually, there have been NO tests...zero,zip, nada with the actual COVID-19 virus because that sort of test would expose humans to death. The reports from doctors and epidemiologists are speculative and NOT science based. When you look at the conclusion, you see proof that it has been demonstrated that Scientists studying the physics of air flow have demonstrated evidence supporting the possibility of aerosol transmission This is all anyone needs to know. Additionally, the testings that have been done IN LABS did not test the wide variety of masks that people wear. Surely, a hospital mask is best but the world isn't wearing them.

I submit and it will be proven later after this is all said and done, that masks, while OK, do NOT prevent COVID and this is why so many people kicked the bucket in New York, Conn. Mass and New Jersey. It was actually worse than it should have been because the masks gave the people a sense of security, like taking a placebo pill and thinking you could then drink battery acid.

 

[ataraxia]

Really? Try this:

Although spread of SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be primarily via respiratory droplets, the contribution of small respirable particles to close proximity transmission is currently uncertain. Airborne transmission from person-to-person over long distances is unlikely.

Also from this study by a doctor:

http://image.www2.pennmedicine.org/lib/fe2d117170640478711179/m/1/d6cef08a-993b-4f2f-b2c9-8a89b8bcf373.pdf?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=SFMC&_ga=2.79883921.728955581.1601646033-394718890.1601646033

Summary Conclusions: 1. Scientists studying the physics of air flow have demonstrated evidence supporting the possibility of aerosol transmission

(shrug)
Maybe- there may be some component of dry aerosolized transmission. But even if there is, the transmission data suggests it is plays a minor role at best. Controlling a pandemic is all about risk mitigation. The cigarette smoke model is not a good model.

Wear your mask.

 

[Paradoxical]

(shrug)
Maybe- there may be some component of dry aerosolized transmission. But even if there is, the transmission data suggests it is plays a minor role at best. Controlling a pandemic is all about risk mitigation.

Wear your mask.

I doubt it and I say that statistically, based on world events, I am most likely right and you are most likely wrong. I am not saying that masks are completely useless. I would grant that in SOME cases, a mask would protect some vulnerable people. However, when you look at what's happened, the data doesn't support masks when you look at just Sweden who arguably has now achieved immunity without masks, based on their very low death rate. They NEVER wore masks. Look at Manaus, also...a similar situation.

Now, look at the four states back east with the highest death tolls of all. They wore masks. The look at California. there NEVER was a time that private businesses did NOT mandate masks. They had low death rates and now the virus is culling the herd of those who were at risk and hadn't yet git it. Calif. got hammered WITH masks over the past two months.

Do all the "science" you want. Sometimes, you have to look at facts. Masks may help a small percentage of people. Basically, they are face placebos.

 

[Visbek]

So, you believe a lab wonk who did not use humans because he has initials behind his name?

I believe you when you say you haven't actually run the experiment at all.

I believe it is completely and utterly ludicrous to claim that you know the results of an experiment, when you haven't even run the experiment.

I believe it is completely and utterly ludicrous to think that masks block molecules based exclusively on what you read on a Wikipedia page about the mass of those particles.

I believe you are completely and utterly ignorant of how the virus is transmitted via respiration. Hint: You aren't breathing out virus particles; rather, the virus particles are within the droplets of moisture that you are exhaling or sneezing or coughing out. It is the respiratory droplets, which are much *COUGH* larger than the virus particles, which get caught in the mask.

I believe actual scientists who have actual videos showing what actually happens when you breathe through a mask. Not someone who doesn't even bother to run his own experiment to test his own claims.

I believe decades of science which show the benefits of masks for health care professionals.

I don't believe people who make unsubstantiated claims based on motivated reasoning.

 

[Visbek]

Once again, and as I have pointed out continually, there have been NO tests...zero,zip, nada with the actual COVID-19 virus because that sort of test would expose humans to death.

LOL

So you won't believe it without a test that you know we can't run. But you believe your own claims about cigarette smoke and masks, even though you haven't actually tested your own claim!

I submit and it will be proven later after this is all said and done, that masks, while OK, do NOT prevent COVID and this is why so many people kicked the bucket in New York, Conn. Mass and New Jersey.

No, it won't, because your claim is moronic.

The vast majority of case transmission in NY, NY, CT, MA happened BEFORE people were social distancing and wearing masks.

These states have had social distancing and mask policies for months, and case numbers have remained low. In fact, it is only when people or governments relax the restrictions that the numbers start to (slightly, so far) increase.

This has been pointed out to you many, many times. Your lies are completely unacceptable.

 

[lwf]

I don't smoke anymore but someone here who does smoke can do this test. Before I say what the test is, I want everyone to think of being in Las Vegas or some other area such as a bar or home where people smoke. Ceilings and walls actually get a yellow tint from the nicotine in smoke if not painted. That shows you how far smoke travels.

Take a drag off your cigarette/ Then put whatever mask you would wear in the grocery store on. Don't even try to blow the smoke out to see how far it would go. Just breathe out normally. See what happens to the smoke. It goes right through masks of ANY material. Now blow out the smoke as if you were talking and see how far it goes. You'll see it wafting into the air and usually it will rise but what you don't see generally is that it also falls. In any event, someone as much as 10 feet away from you would be able to not only smell that smoke but be breathing it in. Naturally, you smell with your nose meaning that with a mask you breathe in those smoke particles. At this point, I believe I have demonstrated that a sneeze or a cough would make no difference except that the smoke would get to you quicker. Suffice to say that smoke particles will go from a smoker with a mask to someone else with a mask. A surefire way to test this is for any smoke here to do this test with someone else at home, which is what the idiotic lab guys SHOULD have done. Sometimes, the simplest method is the easiest one. yet the new high priests of the left are never questioned. They are just accepted as gospel. By the way, COVID viruses don't have to attach themselves to water molecules which os the silly test method they used.

Some of you are thinking now that maybe COVID is heavier than smoke particles. Nope. I looked it up. They are almost identical in weight. What this means is that COVID goes straight through masks and if you can smell someone else's smoke through your mask while they also have a mask and blow smoke casually through out, you WILL also get COVID virus in the same manner, mask or no mask. COVID goes right through them.

Someone here claims he is a scientist. I forget who. Prove me wrong with my thesis. I have already made several posts on this to the sound of crickets.

You are correct that masks are not 100% effective at protecting you from COVID-19.

But they are definitely better than nothing. The vast majority of COVID-19 infections come from person to person contact. The next most common way to get infected seems to be through surface transmission. Inhaling heavier droplets and aerosols is also believed to be a common vector. Masks, social distancing, and hand sanitizer help to protect you from all of these vectors.

Airborne transmission of COVID particles suspended in the air seems to be possible, and you are correct that masks are less effective at preventing this. The only thing you can do to reduce your risk of this is social distancing.

***So wear a mask, use hand sanitizer, and social distance.

 

[Paradoxical]

I believe you when you say you haven't actually run the experiment at all.

I believe it is completely and utterly ludicrous to claim that you know the results of an experiment, when you haven't even run the experiment.

I believe it is completely and utterly ludicrous to think that masks block molecules based exclusively on what you read on a Wikipedia page about the mass of those particles.

I believe you are completely and utterly ignorant of how the virus is transmitted via respiration. Hint: You aren't breathing out virus particles; rather, the virus particles are within the droplets of moisture that you are exhaling or sneezing or coughing out. It is the respiratory droplets, which are much *COUGH* larger than the virus particles, which get caught in the mask.

I believe actual scientists who have actual videos showing what actually happens when you breathe through a mask. Not someone who doesn't even bother to run his own experiment to test his own claims.

I believe decades of science which show the benefits of masks for health care professionals.

I don't believe people who make unsubstantiated claims based on motivated reasoning.

You have CLAIMS is all. There is NO scientific testing and you know it. I posted an article that you ignore which says that the virus CAN be transmitted through the air, just like cigarette smoke. You choose to ignore it. I tell you that California wore masks since day ONE and people are still dying. You ignore it.

Basically, you just want to not feel like an idiot wearing a mask you know is just a piece of cloth placebo around your face. You want to feel like you're helping.

 

[Paradoxical]

LOL

So you won't believe it without a test that you know we can't run. But you believe your own claims about cigarette smoke and masks, even though you haven't actually tested your own claim!



No, it won't, because your claim is moronic.

The vast majority of case transmission in NY, NY, CT, MA happened BEFORE people were social distancing and wearing masks.

These states have had social distancing and mask policies for months, and case numbers have remained low. In fact, it is only when people or governments relax the restrictions that the numbers start to (slightly, so far) increase.

This has been pointed out to you many, many times. Your lies are completely unacceptable.

Not one bit of evidence of what you say. Just claims, like the apostle Paul.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I doubt it and I say that statistically, based on world events, I am most likely right and you are most likely wrong. I am not saying that masks are completely useless. I would grant that in SOME cases, a mask would protect some vulnerable people. However, when you look at what's happened, the data doesn't support masks when you look at just Sweden who arguably has now achieved immunity without masks, based on their very low death rate. They NEVER wore masks. Look at Manaus, also...a similar situation.

Now, look at the four states back east with the highest death tolls of all. They wore masks. The look at California. there NEVER was a time that private businesses did NOT mandate masks. They had low death rates and now the virus is culling the herd of those who were at risk and hadn't yet git it. Calif. got hammered WITH masks over the past two months.

Do all the "science" you want. Sometimes, you have to look at facts. Masks may help a small percentage of people. Basically, they are face placebos.

That’s not how science works.