Julia Roberts Reminds Us - Your Vote, Your Choice

[Bodi]

It is amazing how so many men cannot ever dare bring themselves to ask "what is it about me and my behavior that makes my wife feel like she has to lie about who she voted for"? Men like Charlie Kirk and Jesse Watters really tell on themselves. But their attitudes are hardly unique. Many much less famous men believe the same things and behave much worse.

Is it really that hard to understand that there are all sorts of people out there? There are murderers and bank fraud and bad husbands and corrupt cops and shady mechanics ... and... bad wives. IT does not really seem so amazing that they can't see how they cause problems. Are these people known as super introspective, or something?

 

[Bodi]

So what?

They could have made an ad like that... but they didn't.

 

[Ikari]

Wow. Those women sure are clever. They outwitted their dumb Maga cavemen husbands and voted for Harris instead of making "the right choice". That knowing nod between them says it all.

As Reps (actually one Rep) stereotype women as cat-owning man haters, Dems confirm the stereotype and stereotype men in return as dangerous assholes who want to control their women's vote but are too stupid to actually pull it off.

The Dem party's misanthropy is just disgusting. That they then trot out Barack Obama to try to shame the cavemen into voting for Harris is just weird.

How outrageous that a woman would say that women should think for themselves and vote for whom they want.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I don't understand this abject denial from some men on the right that there ARE indeed men who would object to their wives/girlfriends/daughters voting for THEIR preferred candidate.

It's the same reason they can never recognize that the overwhelming about of White Supremacists and Nazis that are public about both their political views and who they are voting for support Trump/GOP.

It's the same reason many object to the teaching of virtually ANY of the historical actions the US has taken that paint the US in a...less heroic light.

It's the same reason they will never acknowledge that even the most comical examples of racism/sexism didn't happen because of bigotry or if they did it was some hyper isolated incident and says nothing about broader society.

MAGA/Fascism relies heavily on esoteric mythologizing. The US can't just be A country. It has to be a perfect idealized society that is carrying the torch of "Western Civilization" and whose lineage can be traced back to ancient Greek and Roman societies. Them and their supporters can't just be "patriots" but are idealized model American citizens with idealized model families. Therefore their wives must all love them and be dutiful and want to have beautiful white American children to continue western civilization American society.

Remember like a few days ago, there were a bunch of conservatives on here saying how elegant Melania is and how obvious her and Donalds deep love for each other is? How they CONTINUE to argue that Trump is deeply Christian and religious?

Even the IDEA that a woman would want to vote against her husband's wishes (and for Kommiela no less) shatters the beautiful idealized mythology they've built for themselves. Even acknowledging a simple thing like that for them is impossible it is not compatible with how they believe the world is/ought to be.

 

[Peacenik]

I've seen the shocking marriages where the man tells the wife what she can and can not do - lays down his rules - and she follows them or else.

I always figured the 'or else' is physical abuse.

Any woman who feels threatened with physical abuse needs to seek help. There is counseling available and if he won't go and try to improve she needs to consider leaving the marriage before something serious happens.

Nobody needs to live like they are nothing more than the oldest child and He expects His word to be obeyed without question.

A marriage needs to be an equal partnership.

Those unequal marriages are rarely found in liberal men. It's usually the conservatives wanting to tell her what to do. Maybe that's why they want to make laws telling others what they can and can not do.

 

[Bodi]

In the article there are these two gems:

Fox News host Jesse Watters mentioned his own spouse in discussing the ad, comparing a woman who doesn’t tell her husband who she is voting for to someone having an affair.

“If I found out Emma was going to the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that’s the same thing as having an affair,” Watters said on air Wednesday in response to the ad.

Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk called it “gross” to suggest women would “undermine their husbands.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4966533-pro-harris-ad-strikes-gender-gap/

 

[phoenix2020]

In my case that particular shoe doesn't fit. My wife and I fill out our mail-in ballots at home, and if she wants to vote differently than I do, that's absolutely fine with me. I'll even mark her ballot for her the way she wants. Because that's how democracy works.

Not all of your fellow soldiers believe that their marriage should work the same way as yours.

 

[btthegreat]

I have never seen it as controversial to remind anyone that their vote is private, and they are entitled to that privacy. I go further. If someone asks me a 'none - of - your - business question, I can tell them its none of their business, I can ignore it, or I can lie through my teeth to get them off my back. . They don't deserve better.

I feel perfectly free to tell whoever I choose that I am a Trump supporting moron if it ever suits my purpose. It hasn't yet.

 

[Michael Cole]

Wow. Those women sure are clever. They outwitted their dumb Maga cavemen husbands and voted for Harris instead of making "the right choice". That knowing nod between them says it all.

As Reps (actually one Rep) stereotype women as cat-owning man haters, Dems confirm the stereotype and stereotype men in return as dangerous assholes who want to control their women's vote but are too stupid to actually pull it off.

The Dem party's misanthropy is just disgusting. That they then trot out Barack Obama to try to shame the cavemen into voting for Harris is just weird.

Well, those wives just need their TV and internet privileges stripped.

 

[The AntiDonald]

I don't get those ads here... but I think there is a better way to get balance in the world than to blame people and there are better ways to teach people than to make them victims.

In a perfect world, maybe. But with the current polarization and hate mongering, and with only a few days to go, a strong and direct message was needed. It's not an order, just a suggestion.

 

[eman623]

Certainly not. But almost everyone who is getting publicly outraged over it I have seen thus far are men.

Maybe because men are being negatively stereotyped? And also that's not true. "Plenty" of women ARE outraged over this ad. You may need to explore outside your bubble to see them.

Not all women are single and own cats, but if the GOP put out an ad of a woman leaving the house to vote and saying goodbye to her cats (with no man around), then after casting her vote for Harris, she comes home to proudly show off her "I Voted" sticker to her cats, I would imagine "plenty" of women would be publicly outraged. And rightly so IMO.

The reality is more accurate - significantly more on the left won't date across political lines then the right.

Most Democrats who are looking for a relationship would not consider dating a Trump voter

Many single-and-looking people wouldn’t want to date someone who voted for the opposing party's candidate in the 2016 presidential election.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[eman623]

You’re crying about an ad making sure that women know that it's okay to vote for who they want to vote for.

Not crying.

Maybe they could have done that without the negative stereotyping.

Nah! Democrats are the party of division and hate. Race against race. Class against class. Women against men

If you had any guts you would be talking about how incredible it is that an ad like this has to exist in 2024.

If you had any rational arguments, you would not need to resort to nasty personal snark.

 

[eman623]

Not all of your fellow soldiers believe that their marriage should work the same way as yours.

Soldiers? I'm not part of the military. I'm just some rando guy who loves his wife and loves democracy.

Not all my fellow women believe their relationships should work the same as mine too. Maybe even most of them.

 

[eman623]

Well, those wives just need their TV and internet privileges stripped.

Indeed. Their husbands need to get them home, back in the kitchen and out of those shoes at once!

 

[Phys251]

Maybe because men are being negatively stereotyped? And also that's not true. "Plenty" of women ARE outraged over this ad. You may need to explore outside your bubble to see them.

Not all women are single and own cats, but if the GOP put out an ad of a woman leaving the house to vote and saying goodbye to her cats (with no man around), then after casting her vote for Harris, she comes home to proudly show off her "I Voted" sticker to her cats, I would imagine "plenty" of women would be publicly outraged. And rightly so IMO.

The reality is more accurate - significantly more on the left won't date across political lines then the right.

Most Democrats who are looking for a relationship would not consider dating a Trump voter

Many single-and-looking people wouldn’t want to date someone who voted for the opposing party's candidate in the 2016 presidential election.

www.pewresearch.org

Not crying.

Maybe they could have done that without the negative stereotyping.

Nah! Democrats are the party of division and hate. Race against race. Class against class. Women against men


If you had any rational arguments, you would not need to resort to nasty personal snark.

Soldiers? I'm not part of the military. I'm just some rando guy who loves his wife and loves democracy.

Not all my fellow women believe their relationships should work the same as mine too. Maybe even most of them.

Indeed. Their husbands need to get them home, back in the kitchen and out of those shoes at once!

You seem upset by this ad.

 

[eman623]

You seem upset by this ad.

You seem unable to address my points and need to go ad-hominum.

I was out yesterday after starting this thread and only now am able to respond to folks.

 

[Phys251]

You seem unable to address my points and need to go ad-hominum.

I was out yesterday after starting this thread and only now am able to respond to folks.

Was I right?

 

[phoenix2020]

Soldiers? I'm not part of the military. I'm just some rando guy who loves his wife and loves democracy.

Not all my fellow women believe their relationships should work the same as mine too. Maybe even most of them.

You are a MAGA soldier required to pledge loyalty to your fellow MAGA soldiers and to your lord and savior, Donald John Trump.

 

[btthegreat]

Not crying.

Maybe they could have done that without the negative stereotyping.

Nah! Democrats are the party of division and hate. Race against race. Class against class. Women against men


If you had any rational arguments, you would not need to resort to nasty personal snark.

Before I decide this is more than a simple reminder that people, (in this case two women) have a right to a private ballot and a right not to be harassed or bullied or argued with about who they vote for, rather than some stereotype promotion, I need to see a larger sample size on these ads. Show me five or six that all feature two women, and none featuring men and you won't be the one stereotyping. On this evidence you are the stereotyper not dems. We don't know what the next ad will produce, but this one is absolutely perfect. Nobody, not men or women needs the drama in their personal relationships that comes with being attacked by their spouses for who they choose to vote. If spouses don't mind their own business, they deserve to be lied to. They should not ask the question. Its the pressure to conform within a marriage, thats the real problem. Its a perfect ad.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Maybe because men are being negatively stereotyped? And also that's not true. "Plenty" of women ARE outraged over this ad. You may need to explore outside your bubble to see them.

Not all women are single and own cats, but if the GOP put out an ad of a woman leaving the house to vote and saying goodbye to her cats (with no man around), then after casting her vote for Harris, she comes home to proudly show off her "I Voted" sticker to her cats, I would imagine "plenty" of women would be publicly outraged. And rightly so IMO.

The reality is more accurate - significantly more on the left won't date across political lines then the right.

Most Democrats who are looking for a relationship would not consider dating a Trump voter

Many single-and-looking people wouldn’t want to date someone who voted for the opposing party's candidate in the 2016 presidential election.

www.pewresearch.org

If you think liberal women would be offended by that commercial, then you don’t know a lot of liberal women.

 

[btthegreat]

Before I decide this is more than a simple reminder that people, (in this case two women) have a right to a private ballot and a right not to be harassed or bullied or argued with about who they vote for, rather than some stereotype promotion, I need to see a larger sample size on these ads. Show me five or six that all feature two women, and none featuring men and you won't be the one stereotyping. On this evidence you are the stereotyper not dems. We don't know what the next ad will produce, but this one is absolutely perfect. Nobody, not men or women needs the drama in their personal relationships that comes with being attacked by their spouses for who they choose to vote. If spouses don't mind their own business, they deserve to be lied to. They should not ask the question. Its the pressure to conform within a marriage, thats the real problem. Its a perfect ad.

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[eman623]

Before I decide this is more than a simple reminder that people, (in this case two women) have a right to a private ballot and a right not to be harassed or bullied or argued with about who they vote for, rather than some stereotype promotion, I need to see a larger sample size on these ads. Show me five or six that all feature two women, and none featuring men and you won't be the one stereotyping. On this evidence you are the stereotyper not dems. We don't know what the next ad will produce, but this one is absolutely perfect. Nobody, not men or women needs the drama in their personal relationships that comes with being attacked by their spouses for who they choose to vote. If spouses don't mind their own business, they deserve to be lied to. They should not ask the question. Its the pressure to conform within a marriage, thats the real problem. Its a perfect ad.

Absolutely perfect? At what? At portraying men as potentially abusive control freaks? Sure.

Not sure why you need additional examples of negative stereotyping and man-hating to be able to see it.

But here's a hypothetical one the GOP could have made. It's actually closer to reality.

Say there's an ad showing a man and woman going into the polling place. They're both in their 20s. She has a piercing or tattoo. She votes, then tells her boyfriend, "your turn babe". He's a Trump supporter but doesn't want her to know because see #36. In fact, he's afraid to admit to anyone he's a Trump supporter because too many leftists are crazy zealots. That's why Trump always does about 3-5 points better at the voting booth than he does in polls.

Anyway, he goes in and after nodding to another guy also there with a young hot liberal gal, the both vote for Donald Trump. Afterwards, the girlfriend asks, "did you vote the right way?" And then adds, "next time babe, take a picture of your ballot and send it to me."