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Judge schedules hearing on unsealing FBI Mar-a-Lago search records

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note it's "media organizations" not just RW media . So will the magistrate be a toad for the DoJ or exercise transparency?

The hearing is set to be held Aug. 18 in the West Palm Beach Division. Reinhart will discuss with the government and Trump's legal team the motion to unseal the search warrant materials and attachments—the affidavit for the search warrant likely is included in that material.

Media organizations are asking Reinhart to unseal the affidavit despite objections by the Department of Justice. Reinhart has not ruled on the matter yet.
 
<> So will the magistrate be a toad for the DoJ <>

People who have to reach for conspiracy to explain anything that happens that they would prefer not to have happened should really engage in a good hard reevaluation of their worldview.
 
when did transparency become conspiratorial?
When you choose one afidavit out of thousands, to suddenly want to interfere with an ongoing investigation in order to view, then act like the entirety of the FBI and judges are so untrustworthy and need "oversight" based no nothing but political butt-hurt.
 
When you choose one afidavit out of thousands, to suddenly want to interfere with an ongoing investigation in order to view, then act like the entirety of the FBI and judges are so untrustworthy and need "oversight" based no nothing but political butt-hurt.
“The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable.” Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote.

So, they are untrustworthy. It's not a conspiracy. It was stated on the record by a federal judge, found by the Office of Inspector General, and admitted by the Department of Justice.

The only reason folks don't want the affidavit exposed is because they know it will be shown to be weak sauce, at best.
 
"media organizations" does not mean that it isn't just right wing media. It could be Breitbart, Fox, etc.
CNN is among the organizations seeking its revelation.
 
It's not typical for the FBI to release the name of a confidential source before an arrest has even been made. If you pretend to not understand why, the conversation will end.
It's not typical of the FBI to raid the home of a United States (former) President, after having already been caught more than once lying and misleading courts to get warrants in investigations involving that same person.
 
So, they are untrustworthy.

You want to see the FBI disbanded, you obviously have issues beyond the scope of reasonable debate on the matter.

Just so you know, all human endeavors involve human error, and human malfeasance. Cherry-picked examples alone do nothing to detract from the need for institutions like the FBI.
 
note it's "media organizations" not just RW media . So will the magistrate be a toad for the DoJ or exercise transparency?

The hearing is set to be held Aug. 18 in the West Palm Beach Division. Reinhart will discuss with the government and Trump's legal team the motion to unseal the search warrant materials and attachments—the affidavit for the search warrant likely is included in that material.

Media organizations are asking Reinhart to unseal the affidavit despite objections by the Department of Justice. Reinhart has not ruled on the matter yet.
They will be so redacted; you won't be able to make out anything. All you want is the names of the witnesses and the FBI agents so more death threats can be thrown around. You won't get that.
 
note it's "media organizations" not just RW media . So will the magistrate be a toad for the DoJ or exercise transparency?

The hearing is set to be held Aug. 18 in the West Palm Beach Division. Reinhart will discuss with the government and Trump's legal team the motion to unseal the search warrant materials and attachments—the affidavit for the search warrant likely is included in that material.

Media organizations are asking Reinhart to unseal the affidavit despite objections by the Department of Justice. Reinhart has not ruled on the matter yet.
I don't think they will unseal the affidavit. It has information regarding the witnesses leading to the search warrant and about an ongoing criminal investigation. It will be released as other similar affidavits are, when the case has been charged or dropped.
 
Yep. Trump says I’ll play. Show watcha got tough guys.
 
It's not typical for the FBI to release the name of a confidential source before an arrest has even been made. If you pretend to not understand why, the conversation will end.
Good point. It is my impression that is standard operating procedure, though I assume evidence and is revealed after indictments are and before trial. Releasing names of witnesses on a case that may never result in an indictment wouldn’t seem wise.
 
Good point. It is my impression that is standard operating procedure, though I assume evidence and is revealed after indictments are and before trial. Releasing names of witnesses on a case that may never result in an indictment wouldn’t seem wise.

This is all correct. The affidavit will be turned over in discovery, if Trump is charged.
 
You want to see the FBI disbanded, you obviously have issues beyond the scope of reasonable debate on the matter.
Nonsense. There have been reasonable justifications advanced for its disbandment since shortly after it was created. The very idea that it is not "reasonable debate" to contemplate whether we need the FBI shows you don't know what you're talking about and you haven't read the first thing about the history of the abuses meted out by the FBI.
Just so you know, all human endeavors involve human error, and human malfeasance. Cherry-picked examples alone do nothing to detract from the need for institutions like the FBI.
Sure - in this case, it's not "cherry picked." They lied in warrant applications in relation to the investigation of the Trump campaign. That's not "cherry picking."
 
CNN is among the organizations seeking its revelation.

A link to CNN should have been included then. You can't just take a sentence from a Fox report that says 'media organizations' and extrapolate from that which organizations are calling for it.
 
Before it is all said and done, the media and Republicans (ironically) will end up getting someone killed much to the delight of the far right Trump enablers.
 
This is all correct. The affidavit will be turned over in discovery, if Trump is charged.
Which is why he won't be charged, because the goal is to have half the country riled up about Trump because the warrant "must be reasonable" because, heck, it's an FBI thing and they got a judge to sign it, so.... -- which is exactly what most of you defending this crap are doing. You are prime examples of propaganda shaping a narrative.

If you cared about the truth, you'd want the warrant affidavit revealed now, so that it cannot be used for political purposes if it is questionable. And if it is not questionable, then we all should know about it for that reason alone.
 
Before it is all said and done, the media and Republicans (ironically) will end up getting someone killed much to the delight of the far right Trump enablers.
Before this is all said and done, the Democrats will eventually accept that there has been 5-6 year witch hunt for Donald Trump and so many of what we thought were honorable apolitical actors sacrificed their principles to destroy him.
 
note it's "media organizations" not just RW media . So will the magistrate be a toad for the DoJ or exercise transparency?

The hearing is set to be held Aug. 18 in the West Palm Beach Division. Reinhart will discuss with the government and Trump's legal team the motion to unseal the search warrant materials and attachments—the affidavit for the search warrant likely is included in that material.

Media organizations are asking Reinhart to unseal the affidavit despite objections by the Department of Justice. Reinhart has not ruled on the matter yet.
Fox and Breitbart would technically be called “news organizations” grammatically.

And obviously had the desired effect on you.
 
"media organizations" does not mean that it isn't just right wing media. It could be Breitbart, Fox, etc.
Great minds think alike! As you’ll see later in the thread!
 
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