Judge says she has ‘preliminary intent’ to appoint special master to oversee Mar-a-Lago search review

[WorldWatcher]

Technical critque...

Use a picture that puts the face in the center of the image and the text not placed over the face.

Meme 101.

Something like this...






WW

 

[Paradoxical]

The Democrats are trying to ruin Trump and have been since he won the presidency and even before. But you keep up with the Goebbelsian lies that we think he is just being picked on.

 

[MTAtech]

The Democrats are trying to ruin Trump and have been since he won the presidency and even before. But you keep up with the Goebbelsian lies that we think he is just being picked on.

Trump‘s own actions ruin Trump.

 

[Nwolfe35]

The Democrats are trying to ruin Trump and have been since he won the presidency and even before. But you keep up with the Goebbelsian lies that we think he is just being picked on.

Democrats don’t have to ruin Trump. He’s doing a good job of it on his own.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Which is all the more reason for a special master to evaluate if the recovered documents meet the criteria.
As of now the classification stamps may not even apply.

Wow! You are completely off base. The special master would determine only if any of the documents are client attorney privileged and therefore off limits to be used in criminal proceedings. He/she would not determine if the documents fall under the defense or espionage act.

 

[Tbird19482]

Uh Huh. Even if that stupidity was the case, Putin didn't do diddly while Trump was president, did he?

He was deathly afraid of Trump. And he had every right to be. People don't invade countries when they know the president of the United States would find a way to have him and his family killed. The Taliban knew this as well.

BS
He knew Trump would give him anything he asked for just like Trump gave the Taliban.
Read the "Agreement "Trump signed with the Taliban and you can see Trump gave then everything they were fighting for for 20 years and we were fighting against and a lot of our Military people died for,
Have a nice day

 

[bongsaway]

Could you possibly be in a deeper state of denial?

What is it I'm denying?

 

[Plasmaball]

The taking of the passports was an in-your-face act by the criminal KGB out of spite and a "we'll show YOU and your fascist republican supporters" continuing Strzok attitude where Republicans are all knuckle-dragging confederate flag waving morons in the hills of West Virginia while the FBI guys went to 4 years of college and took women's history as a major and are better than those "fascists".

THIS is the world we live in today. Obama and Biden divided this country more than we were in the days of slavery.

Lol get the fainting couch folks, we got a dropper

 

[element94]

What in your opinion was wrong with the filing?

Nothing, if you're a mob boss, which is quite apropos here.

I for one am glad to see this.

Well then, you must support corruption and fraud since Trump has already been proven to have done both in at least 2 situations (TrumpU/Trump Foundation) and there's more than enough evidence to convince even casual observers in many, many, many others.
Why not just say gee, I hope he gets away with it.
This smells really bad, and I mean really bad for the rule of law and the country. Disgusting is what it is, as is anything to do with that vile steaming pile Trump.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

And they have a strong case against the attorneys who signed saying they did not have the document.

And you're thinking these lawyers are going to lie down and take the hit for Trump? "Yes, your honor, I did it all on my own. My client, even though his handwriting is all over several of the documents in question, had nothing to do with it. I didn't consult with my client, didn't advise my client. Just took it upon myself to commit perjury with the FBI."

Good luck with that.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

And that doesn't work as a defense. The obligation to comply with a subpoena and/or the applicable laws is Trump's, and he cannot shift that burden to his attorney.

Sure, a prosecutor might take the attorney's assertions into account when deciding on the charge and the judge or jury might consider "But my attorney said I was good!" defense at some point, but then the question is then what exactly did Trump "order" them to do? What did Trump do to satisfy himself that "the documents had been returned." Did Trump go through his private files, give access to ALL those private files to the attorneys, give them access to his safe, to the storage room, did Trump direct them to go through those boxes page by page, and did the attorneys assert that they did this review, and found no documents marked classified? Where/when/how did the attorneys represent to Trump that they did these specific steps and found nothing? Etc......

Again, I do not care at all if the attorneys were idiots and didn't CYA big time before signing the response, if that's what happened, without Trump also asserting to its truthfulness and completeness. IMO, if they didn't CYA and are disbarred for making false statements to the court, no loss to the legal profession.

But that simply doesn't relieve Trump of his legal burden. If he hired incompetents who e.g. lied to Trump about the steps they took to satisfy the subpoena, that is still Trump's fault, because he didn't take the steps necessary to verify their alleged efforts were sufficient.

Just to piggyback here: You can delegate tasks; you cannot delegate responsibility. You can't say "I told my lawyer to do ABC. He didn't do it, so I'm in the clear." Nope, nope, nope! Doesn't work that way. It is ultimately Trump's responsibility to comply with the subpoena. If he didn't, it's on him, not his lawyer.

 

[BlueTex]

Get ready for slapdown... They ain't playing...

 

[Stealers Wheel]

But this isn't the win Trump thinks it might be. Assigning a Special Master would only help in two areas:

1) Identifying what items belong to Trump and what belongs to the U.S. Government.

2) Delaying the federal government from taking any further steps, i.e., legal action, if any, in their case against Trump on this matter of improper/illegal possession of classified documents.

It's item #1 that might help Trump the most. How? Remember this WaPo article, "FBI Search of Mar-a-Lago related to nuclear documents"? What if it turns out the FBI didn't find any such documents at MAL? Would this be seen as vindication on his part where he could further claim the "deep state" is out to get him? It would certainly make the government look bad because there would be no accounting for the "missing" TS nuclear tech documents. Same could hold true for no evidence of classified documents outlining the names of "human assets" stationed abroad who have recently died per reports. The government could never reveal the truth on either matter. So, Trump could come out smelling like a rose while the government has egg of their face because the norm is "we want to keep our secrets secret."

Point is, the government comes out looking bad either way. If they did find such information during the MAL search, they may have to provide some details as to what they recovered. But if no such documents were found, they really end up looking foolish which I believe is exactly what Trump's counting on.

So, what you're saying is that the FBI is accountable for what the WaPo reported? If what actually happened doesn't line up with what WaPo reported, then the FBI looks foolish?

WaPo is "fake news" remember? You can't believe anything they write about Trump EXCEPT in this case. In this case it might as well be considered a sworn affidavit by the FBI.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I don't really think it matters. Trump hasn't asked for any actual relief to this point, so to the extent the judge effectively pre-hears their whining, and rules on the issues, it's not going to slow down the DoJ. They've already been through everything, and are as we speak engaging in a more thorough review, and Trump didn't even request that this process stop between now and Thursday. Further, if Trump wants to claim "executive privilege," the PRA, the statute, says the court that must hear that request is the D.C. district court, not this judge in Florida. I don't see how she gets around the PRA on that. And the PRA is very specific about those competing claims, between the current and former POTUS. If/when there's a conflict, the sitting POTUS makes the call, and the purpose for disregarding Trump's wishes in this case is pretty obvious.

If this judge were to order a special master AND the DOJ objected, they could file a motion that says THIS judge has no jurisdiction. That immediately moves it out of her court. The judge herself cannot rule on whether or not she has jurisdiction. If another court agrees on the DOJ motion, it will be up to Trump to refile the motion in the correct court.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Has any President not done this in the last 100 years, at some level or another?

Please provide examples of presidents other than Trump doing this (at some level or another).

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I do not care what happens to Trump, but I do want him to be treated the same as anyone else.

Then you must be terribly disappointed that he has not already been arrested. Anyone else would have been - a long ****ing time ago. The DOJ is not in the habit of playing footsy with espionage suspects.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

This stinks to high heaven. We know there are at least 14 whistleblowers who will state their comrades are crooked and corrupt and wanted Biden to win so they went to the media to keep the laptop story quiet and after 3 years no indictment or charges against him or Joe Biden. We know the FBI set Trump up by using Perkins Coie and has a sweetheart arrangement with them where they had a plush office(s) set up at the expense of Perkins Coie. Yes, the same law firm that gets dirt on people and who Hillary paid millions to frame Trump for Russian Collusion. here the same firm that told her it was OK to destroy evidence was the firm that hired Fusion where the wife was the main character and married to Bruce Ohr, an FBI agent. How any law firm gets away with the destruction of evidence is beyond me unless........the FBI told them it was OK because they get favors such as plush offices and who knows what else (bribes) from them.

The very same criminals that were involved in the 2016 attempt to destroy Trump were involved in the raid. They get an attorney who is so biased that he had to recuse himself from another case. We know the attorney general Garland hates conservatives.....he takes marching orders from the teachers union.

This is another disgrace, another black eye on America, and should be a wake-up call across the land. At most, trump is guilty of a process violation for which NO president has ever been charged or had their house raided over.

We need to remember
Come November

FBI director Wray is a Trump appointee. He signed off on this.

 

[Anthony60]

Then you must be terribly disappointed that he has not already been arrested. Anyone else would have been - a long ****ing time ago. The DOJ is not in the habit of playing footsy with espionage suspects.

Yes, like the time when Hillary had classified material on an unsecured server, and that server was breached by foreign governments. And she was only SOS. Boy, did she get it!

 

[Captain Adverse]

Well then, you must support corruption and fraud since Trump has already been proven to have done both in at least 2 situations (TrumpU/Trump Foundation) and there's more than enough evidence to convince even casual observers in many, many, many others.
Why not just say gee, I hope he gets away with it.
This smells really bad, and I mean really bad for the rule of law and the country. Disgusting is what it is, as is anything to do with that vile steaming pile Trump.

Stop "projecting." Something your side of the argument tends to do every chance you get.

You also seek to constantly demonize as if ad hominins ever win an argument. (Hint: they don't!)

Moreover, I don't intend to travel down any red herring road your post seeks to deflect to.

Meaning there is really nothing of substance to respond to other than my concerns about your comments mentioned above.

 

[MAGAnificent]

As was Bill Barr, correct? Trump hires only the best people. And here you are, smarter than any of them.

I am not suggesting I am smarter then any of them. What I am saying is merely getting appointed Attorney General does not magically endow you with the supreme power of being right on every issue, all the time. I do not dislike Jeff Sessions. I personally met him at a rally for Ted Cruz, shook his hand and chatted with him, however in the legal field, I have my favorites. Some are better then others. My favorite would have been Representative Trey Gowdy. In civilian life he was a top notch prosecutor very knowledgable and I don't think he ever lost a case. I don't dislike Bill Barr either, however he did get his feelings hurt over Trump bashing him and as of late has not been all that objective. I would have been pissed as well, however he does have an axe to grind.

 

[Anthony60]

FBI director Wray is a Trump appointee. He signed off on this.

Are you saying Wray is corrupt?

 

[Captain Adverse]

FBI director Wray is a Trump appointee. He signed off on this.

So what?

Trump, like most Presidents, was likely given a short list of "eligible persons" to pick from and was then advised by "who knows who" on which would be the best pick.

Unlike most Presidents, Trump was never elected to office before, and never himself served in any government agency. He would have no clue who was who, and what they were all about.

That was crystal clear from the problems he had both filling personal administrative/staffing jobs and his Cabinet.

 

[KingLeo]

Judge says she has 'preliminary intent' to appoint special master to oversee Mar-a-Lago search review | CNN Politics

A federal judge scheduled a hearing for Thursday to consider former President Donald Trump's request for a "special master" to oversee the FBI's review of evidence seized at Mar-a-Lago.

www.cnn.com

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Well! I may have gotten this one wrong!

After seeing Trump's original filing in this matter last week, I thought the judge would laugh it out of court!

Apparently last Monday, the judge asked for additional clarification & additional supporting evidence from the Trump team. And, it looks as though she may have gotten it!

If a Special Master is appointed, it may be a big win for Trump & the GOP, as this adds a huge delay to the case including a delay in the possibility of filing charges. I'm thinking this might get them clear of the mid-terms, and get the case out of the media.

We'll find out Thursday . . .

FBI agents have already finished their review of possibly privileged documents seized in an Aug. 8 search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a Justice Department court filing Monday that could undercut the former president’s efforts to have a special master appointed to review the files.
The “filter team” used by the Justice Department to sort through the documents and weed out any material that should not be reviewed by criminal investigators has already “completed its review,” the brief filed by Justice Department prosecutors says. The filing came in response to a ruling Saturday by U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon to hold a hearing this week on Trump’s motion seeking the appointment of a special master.

 

[Paradoxical]

Trump‘s own actions ruin Trump.

Setups by the KGB

 

[j brown's body]

Yes, like the time when Hillary had classified material on an unsecured server, and that server was breached by foreign governments. And she was only SOS. Boy, did she get it!

It is understandable that a Sec of State might have classified material, it relates to her job. What was Trump's motive?

She didn't lie about having them.

The FBI did not find evidence that her server was breached by a foreign government.