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Judge says she has ‘preliminary intent’ to appoint special master to oversee Mar-a-Lago search review

dcsports said:
He made a claim about where they were located. Asking for more details on that.
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My statement was that just because they were passports does not mean they were improperly collected.

That if the passports were co-located with classified documents, then according to the Judges order in the search warrant they were properly collected.

Once the filter team because reviewing the materials collected, they noticed the passports, knew they didn't need them as "evidence, contraband, fruits of a crime, or other illegally possess government documents" and promptly arranged for their return.

WW
 
The AntiDonald said:
The special master has nothing to do with the affidavit. All they do is go through the documents and weed out the personal stuff or attorney privileged stuff.
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Well, that's what they should do. But given that Trump and the Republican party has now clearly politicized the judiciary well beyond the Supreme Court itself, anything goes. I could see a scenario in which the judge, herself a Trump/GOP appointee, selects a partisan hack to sift through the documents and come back with some bogus recommendations, forcing the DoJ to appeal directly to the Supreme Court. I suspect the Supreme Court is where the madness would finally end but even so, damage done. They will have succeeded in creating the 'both sides' narrative, and that the entire criminal justice system is hopelessly partisan and to be treated with suspicion. Good luck finding a neutral jury then, if that was even possible to begin with.

The Republican party is succeeding at doing one thing: destroying the United States of America.
 
WorldWatcher said:
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I disagree.

Passports would not have fallen within the description of "Property to be Seized" in an of themselves because passports would not constitute evidence, contraband, fruits of a crime, or other illegally possess government documents.
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Agreed. This warrant was obviously not specific enough and outside the scope and intent of the 4th amendment. The highlighted part seems to be evidence of that.
 
WorldWatcher said:
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I disagree.

Passports would not have fallen within the description of "Property to be Seized" in an of themselves because passports would not constitute evidence, contraband, fruits of a crime, or other illegally possess government documents.

The only way the passports would have been properly collected was if they were co-located with classified documents (one assumes in the basement storage room), on the other hand if FPOTUS kept his passports in his sock drawer like most normal people, they wouldn't have been collected. Well unless FPOTUS was keeping illegal classified documents in his sock drawer of course. (Which come to think about it isn't that far out an idea for the FPOTUS).

WW
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The taking of the passports was an in-your-face act by the criminal KGB out of spite and a "we'll show YOU and your fascist republican supporters" continuing Strzok attitude where Republicans are all knuckle-dragging confederate flag waving morons in the hills of West Virginia while the FBI guys went to 4 years of college and took women's history as a major and are better than those "fascists".

THIS is the world we live in today. Obama and Biden divided this country more than we were in the days of slavery.
 
SuperDS77 said:
Agreed. This warrant was obviously not specific enough and outside the scope and intent of the 4th amendment. The highlighted part seems to be evidence of that.
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The warrant was very specific as to scope and intent, the only purpose team FPOTUS has for even bringing up the "general warrant" claim is as a stalling tactic.

Given that:
  • Trump had been in negotiations for months with the NARA for the return of documents he illegally held,
  • Trump had been in negotiations for months with combined NARA and FBI teams for the return of documents he illegally held,
  • Trump failed to return documents even after being served with a Grand Jury subpoena,
  • The DOJ/FBI came into evidence that even after all that Trump was STILL in possession of illegal documents at MAL, and
  • The warrant specified such illegally held documents and the just the locations that Trump had control of.
The idea that the investigation will be canceled because of some "general warrant" claim (which it isn't) is funny.

Although, I predict Trump will never go to trial, he'll throw subordinates under the bus first. The people whose names are on the transportation documents and sat in the "negotiations" are the ones that have to sweat bullets right now.

WW
 
trump judge makes up mind BEFORE hearing from the federal government! Why are we not surprised?
 
multivita-man said:
Well, that's what they should do. But given that Trump and the Republican party has now clearly politicized the judiciary well beyond the Supreme Court itself, anything goes. I could see a scenario in which the judge, herself a Trump/GOP appointee, selects a partisan hack to sift through the documents and come back with some bogus recommendations, forcing the DoJ to appeal directly to the Supreme Court. I suspect the Supreme Court is where the madness would finally end but even so, damage done. They will have succeeded in creating the 'both sides' narrative, and that the entire criminal justice system is hopelessly partisan and to be treated with suspicion. Good luck finding a neutral jury then, if that was even possible to begin with.

The Republican party is succeeding at doing one thing: destroying the United States of America.
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But it was perfectly fine that the FBI who initiated the warrant was an Obama donator, and the judge who signed the warrant donated to Obama twice and against Trump by donating to Jeb Bush and had to recuse himself from a trial involving trump because of his known animosity towards trump.
 
Trump probably stuck his favorite lesbian porn mag in one of the boxes. We'll have to give that back.
 
Paradoxical said:
Unless you have been successfully gaslighted by MSM to believe that everything Trump says is a lie and cannot point to even ONE, the scenario i presented is the most logical one and based on the events reported.
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You want "even one" lie? September 2020, Trump promised a replacement for ACA 'within about two weeks'. Never happened.
Another lie? Mexico will pay for the border wall.
More lies? https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html
 
Paradoxical said:
But it was perfectly fine that the FBI who initiated the warrant was an Obama donator, and the judge who signed the warrant donated to Obama twice and against Trump by donating to Jeb Bush and had to recuse himself from a trial involving trump because of his known animosity towards trump.
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Imaginative garbage. And the word is 'donor', not 'donator'.
 
snakestretcher said:
Imaginative garbage. And the word is 'donor'.
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All of it is true. But, I forget you don't live in the United States, don't follow the news closely, and are unable to use Google search.
 
multivita-man said:
Well, that's what they should do. But given that Trump and the Republican party has now clearly politicized the judiciary well beyond the Supreme Court itself, anything goes. I could see a scenario in which the judge, herself a Trump/GOP appointee, selects a partisan hack to sift through the documents and come back with some bogus recommendations, forcing the DoJ to appeal directly to the Supreme Court. I suspect the Supreme Court is where the madness would finally end but even so, damage done. They will have succeeded in creating the 'both sides' narrative, and that the entire criminal justice system is hopelessly partisan and to be treated with suspicion. Good luck finding a neutral jury then, if that was even possible to begin with.

The Republican party is succeeding at doing one thing: destroying the United States of America.
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She is not just a Trump/GOP appointee, she specifically said in her senate nomination questionnaire that she would recuse herself from civil cases defended by the southern district of Florida US Attorney's office for a "period of time"... She was an assistant US Attorney in the southern district of Florida before being nominated.

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SuperDS77 said:
Agreed. This warrant was obviously not specific enough and outside the scope and intent of the 4th amendment. The highlighted part seems to be evidence of that.
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Horseshit... This warrant is like dozens of warrants that will be issued this week alone...
 
SuperDS77 said:
Agreed. This warrant was obviously not specific enough and outside the scope and intent of the 4th amendment. The highlighted part seems to be evidence of that.
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The entire warrant should be squashed and the FBI (KGB) made to return all of the material they illegally took, along with an apology to Trump and America. This KGB should be eliminated when Trump takes office in 2024.
 
WorldWatcher said:
The warrant was very specific as to scope and intent, the only purpose team FPOTUS has for even bringing up the "general warrant" claim is as a stalling tactic.

Given that:
  • Trump had been in negotiations for months with the NARA for the return of documents he illegally held,
  • Trump had been in negotiations for months with combined NARA and FBI teams for the return of documents he illegally held,
  • Trump failed to return documents even after being served with a Grand Jury subpoena,
  • The DOJ/FBI came into evidence that even after all that Trump was STILL in possession of illegal documents at MAL, and
  • The warrant specified such illegally held documents and the just the locations that Trump had control of.
The idea that the investigation will be canceled because of some "general warrant" claim (which it isn't) is funny.

Although, I predict Trump will never go to trial, he'll throw subordinates under the bus first. The people whose names are on the transportation documents and sat in the "negotiations" are the ones that have to sweat bullets right now.

WW
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I guess it depends on your definition of "particularly describing".

This whole circumstance stinks to high heaven.

A refresher...

Amendment IV​

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
SuperDS77 said:
I guess it depends on your definition of "particularly describing".

This whole circumstance stinks to high heaven.

A refresher...

Amendment IV​

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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The where and what was to be seized were very specific.

WW
 
Manc Skipper said:
A special master is unnecessary, since Trump's physical possession of the documents themselves is the crime being charged, and that is undeniable. The content doesn't actually make any difference.
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It is not so cut and dry! just because a document is stamped with a security classification, does not mean it is still at that security classification.
An example might be the presidents daily briefings, may be classified by default, but could be declassified by the president
for, well whatever reason he might want to. Whereas the justice department might want to see everything with a classified label
as a crime, there may not be any crime at all, depending if the documents continued their classification.
Then there comes the question of whose crime? If Trump ordered his people to send back everything, and things got missed,
that may not be a crime they can charge Trump with, but perhaps the attorneys who told the Justice Dep. they had sent everything they could find back.
 
SuperDS77 said:
If true, that is unfortunate indeed.
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Here is a search warrant issued in the southern district of Florida in November 2017 for an ENTIRE apartment...



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Suppress – #55 in United States v. Wukoson (S.D. Fla., 9:18-cr-80166) – CourtListener.com

MOTION to Suppress Search Warrant by Nicholas Wukoson. (Cohen, Michael) (Entered: 03/13/2019)
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Suppress – #55 in United States v. Wukoson (S.D. Fla., 9:18-cr-80166) – CourtListener.com

MOTION to Suppress Search Warrant by Nicholas Wukoson. (Cohen, Michael) (Entered: 03/13/2019)
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