argexpat
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Jufarius87 said:i have no problem w/ evolution being taught in school so long as the atheist/liberal lie of it being unfallible is removed
Jufarius87 said:your resoning is flawed i will assume the sticker/bible thing is a joke but i will prove it wrong anyways people who read the bible or own own do so willingly where as in public school you are forced to learn about evolution
Jufarius87 said:your resoning is flawed i will assume the sticker/bible thing is a joke but i will prove it wrong anyways people who read the bible or own own do so willingly where as in public school you are forced to learn about evolution
argexpat said:An excerpt from a CNN.com articld on the subject:Three cheers for Judge Cooper!
P.S. I propose we put a sticker on Bibles: "This book contains material on creationism. Creationism is mythology, not science. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.''
"According to the AP, the schools placed the stickers after more than 2,000 parents complained the textbooks presented evolution as fact, without mentioning rival ideas about the beginnings of life."
I'm sure that if you were aware of this, you would have mentioned it, wouldn't you?
Fantasea said:An excerpt from a CNN.com articld on the subject:
"According to the AP, the schools placed the stickers after more than 2,000 parents complained the textbooks presented evolution as fact, without mentioning rival ideas about the beginnings of life."
I'm sure that if you were aware of this, you would have mentioned it, wouldn't you?
Perhaps you will be kind enough to furnish some of the 'fact' to which you refer.argexpat said:No, I wasn't aware of it. Wow, to think, in 21st century America, there are still people out there who confuse superstition with fact, and want to make sure everyone else is as ignorant of science as they are. Thank God the forces of enlightenment prevailed!
Maybe we need a Surgeon General’s warning on bibles: “TAKING THIS BOOK LITERALLY MAY CAUSE SEVERE COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT.”
Jufarius87 said:i believe in the scientific method it says unless something can be proven without resonable doubt its theory still tons of doubt about evolution and yes as long as they dont teach creation as fact and more from historys perspective why not teach creation and any other religion?
Hoot said:>why not teach creation and any other religion?<Jufarius87
As far as High Shool, we're having enough problems teaching basic math, reading and writing.
I'm sure creationism and evolution are taught at colleges nation wide.
High school level? I think we're pushing that...just not enough time.
Hoot
vauge said:Neither should be taught as "FACT". Neither have been proven beyond any dought. I have no qualms with them teaching that both methods are viable. Presenting only one of them as a proven method is irresponsible at best.
argexpat said:Is this why the theory of a flat earth and the sun revolving around the earth made sense for so many centuries?Here we go again...Evolution is an observable, undeniable fact. Only those who don't understand how science works and/or want to force their religious beliefs onto others claim otherwise. The theory that explains the fact of evolution is "natural selection." A scientific theory doesn't have to be "proven beyond any doubt."
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A scientific theory, to be valid, simply has to explain the observable phenomenon (i.e. the facts) better than any other.
At the risk of being repetitious, teach both comparitively in the same class, or separately in individual classes. Since the 'belief' in each is so widespread, why not find a way to teach both?This is where "creationism" fails miserably. Why? Because it's not a theory, it's mythology, and thus has absolutely no place being taught in a science class.
I've asked this repeatedly of every proponent of "creationism" on this site, and have yet to get a proper response: What is the "theory of creationism" exactly? Has it been published in a reputable sceintific journal? Has it been subject to peer review? Has it been tested? And if "creationism" is as valid a theory as natural selection, what criterion is used to determine validity? Is every creation myth a viable "theory"? And shouldn't they all be taught along with the Biblical one? Who will decide which creation myths to teach alongside evolution? And why stop at evolution? Why don't Christians question everything taught in science classes, like chemistry and physics? Have atoms been proven to exist "beyond a doubt"? DNA? Light waves?
It seems to me that school vouchers would solve everyone's problem with the subject, wouldn't they?
I responded to this in an earlier post.If evolution is theoretical, then everything is theoretical. And if you don't believe in evolution, you just don't believe in science.
Fantasea said:Is this why the theory of a flat earth and the sun revolving around the earth made sense for so many centuries?
Fantasea said:At the risk of being repetitious, teach both comparitively in the same class, or separately in individual classes. Since the 'belief' in each is so widespread, why not find a way to teach both?
argexpat said:Actually, a Greek mathematician, more than two millenia ago, using geometry, not only discovered that the Earth was round, but was able to measure its circumference with astounding accuracy. By the time Columbus sailed, only the ignorant believed the Earth to be flat. (BTW Fantasea, to be intellectually consistant, shouldn't you be advocating the teaching of the "flat Earth" theory along with the round-Earth one?)
In both instances, the word, 'ignorant', was the dominant factor in the inability of convincing persons that what they thought they saw was, in fact, not what they saw. The theoretical had advanced to the applied but the masses were not equipped to understand that.
Perhaps when the level of theoretical knowledge comes closer to approaching applied, then it will be easier for folks to fall into line.
Yes, you're being repetitious. Therefore, so must I: Teach "creationsim" in Sunday school, and evolution in the science class. If you must teach them both in the same class, you could teach them in a class about the development of rational scientific thought against the backdrop of anti-intellectual religious zealotry.
As the title Shakespeare chose for one of his works, "As You Like It."
Fantasea said:Perhaps when the level of theoretical knowledge comes closer to approaching applied, then it will be easier for folks to fall into line.
ViperX83 said:Creationism is not science. Evolution is. That evolution happens is fact. Natural selection is the current generally accepted theory for the mechanism of evolution.
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