Judge denies Oregon's request to stop arrests by federal agents in Portland

[jaypatriot]

I think Trump is the first President I've lived to see that actually had the golden balls to send forces to Chiraq to try to curb the shooting war in a once beautiful city. Never seen Obama - a Chicagoan - do half of what he did. Speaks volumes about Dems. Trump has shown he cares more about blacks than the entirety of the city leaders in Chiraq.

Trump keeps it up I just might vote for the first time. LOL

Nothing wrong with Trump trying to give a feckless mayor, Lori Lightfoot, a little help doing something she is powerless to do - control the criminals in her city. She gave in to their help because she has no choice. She can't do it herself.
My hope is that the black citizens of that city might find relief from the nightly gang shootings that leave innocent blacks dying on the streets. Where is that idiot Colin Kaepernick where we need someone (even a failed celebrity) to shine a bright light on black people being left to die on the streets because other blacks just don't care who gets shot.
Black Lives Matter? Not in Chicago.

 

[jaypatriot]

Something my Lieutenant told me about handling hardcore inmates: "You can always get respect from them even if you're a by the book asshole, as long as you're consistent every time you step into the unit. You'll have a hard time with them if you're being wishy washy."

Good point. How about applying that to every single anarchist the cops or feds catch (with the appropriate video) throwing tear gas, bricks, molotov cocktails, or fireworks at officers doing their job or destroying public/private property during of their "peaceful riots"? Arrest the law breakers and let them stew in a jail cell for a night until they are arraigned in a court and tried for their crimes.

 

[jaypatriot]

The citizens of Chicago being the "hardcore inmates" in this analogy of yours?

Not the law-abiding citizens of Chicago.
How about the shooters, gang-bangers, rioters, looters, Antifa, and anarchists who do not care about the rule of law?

There are certainly enough of those to go around.

 

[Aberro]

Well how heavy are we talking? Do you want to go back to police using dogs and water cannons?

I like that idea.

 

[Oborosen]

How many lives do you put at risk by cracking down harshly? What is the appropriate response when there is looting and property damage amidst mass protests? Should police attack crowds indiscriminately? Should they grab people off the street? Should they pull back and try to deescalate? No one seems to have figured it out yet, not Democrats or Republicans.

The federal agents are doing their jobs. They were not called in until far after the riots started and the federal court house was being threatened. They're not going out and roving the streets looking for protestors to beat down and they're perfectly within their right to detain individuals when it serves public safety.

You have one group trying to uphold law &order, while the other is not and unfortunately the democrats are supporting the ones causing all of the problems right now.

 

[Michael Johnson]

I wouldn't take too much heart in Judge Mosman's ruling if I were the federal government. Because this was not a clear win for them either. While the judge ruled that the state failed to show the harm it suffered to be able to have legal standing in a suit the judge set out a path for those protesters who believe they have been harmed to bring a case forward that would have legal standing. He also hinted that federal government and the conduct of federal officers in Portland may be on shaky ground constitutionally. Below I highlighted some those comments from Judge Mosman's 14 page ruling.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ord.153632/gov.uscourts.ord.153632.23.0_2.pdf

Libs lost their lawsuit. Period.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Libs lost their lawsuit. Period.

Today I learned that Johnson doesn't know what "lack of standing" means.

 

[Michael Johnson]

I didn’t tell you I misunderstood. I said “unless I misunderstood.” I just read another article that says other suits are pending. Again, the reason the suit was dismissed because the plaintiff didn’t have “standing.” That doesn’t mean the suit was deemed frivolous nor does it mean other suits will be successful.

But you are right, there are so many reasonable gripes against Trump, no one should act on an unreasonable one.

The frivolous suit was thrown out, and the cuck lawyer has a ridiculous gripe against Trump.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Today I learned that Johnson doesn't know what "lack of standing" means.

Today I learned Howl doesn't realize what a loss means, or how to humbly accept one.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Nothing wrong with Trump trying to give a feckless mayor, Lori Lightfoot, a little help doing something she is powerless to do - control the criminals in her city. She gave in to their help because she has no choice. She can't do it herself.
My hope is that the black citizens of that city might find relief from the nightly gang shootings that leave innocent blacks dying on the streets. Where is that idiot Colin Kaepernick where we need someone (even a failed celebrity) to shine a bright light on black people being left to die on the streets because other blacks just don't care who gets shot.
Black Lives Matter? Not in Chicago.

Colin Kaepernick is done. He cared more about the sound of his own voice rather than any true activism. The NFL was right to finally cut ties with him after they extended him an olive branch and he showed his ass.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Good point. How about applying that to every single anarchist the cops or feds catch (with the appropriate video) throwing tear gas, bricks, molotov cocktails, or fireworks at officers doing their job or destroying public/private property during of their "peaceful riots"? Arrest the law breakers and let them stew in a jail cell for a night until they are arraigned in a court and tried for their crimes.

Oh you know me. I'm all for it. Round all their asses up.

 

[Michael Johnson]

The federal agents are doing their jobs. They were not called in until far after the riots started and the federal court house was being threatened. They're not going out and roving the streets looking for protestors to beat down and they're perfectly within their right to detain individuals when it serves public safety.

You have one group trying to uphold law &order, while the other is not and unfortunately the democrats are supporting the ones causing all of the problems right now.

The law only applies to them depending on the current state of their bipolar disorder. If the law suits their emotions, they're all for them. If not.....well the current answer is on our TVs.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Libs lost their lawsuit. Period.

If you think that is the end of it, you're sadly mistaken. The judge layed out that if you are protester who feels he or she was unreasonably accosted and detained by federal officers and you have evidence and proof of these transgressions than you have a case with legal standing that can be brought forward against the federal government, whom he has already opined may well be engaging in conduct that is unconstitutional. You can bet your sweet bippy that there already civil rights lawyers canvassing Portland protesters to form a lawsuit.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

If you think that is the end of it, you're sadly mistaken. The judge layed out that if you are protester who feels he or she was unreasonably accosted and detained by federal officers and you have evidence and proof of these transgressions than you have a case with legal standing that can be brought forward against the federal government, whom he has already opined may well be engaging in conduct that is unconstitutional. You can bet your sweet bippy that there already civil rights lawyers canvassing Portland protesters to form a lawsuit.

That's a good way to get the names of all those 'protesters'.

 

[Atomic Kid]

That's a good way to get the names of all those 'protesters'.

It's also a good way to get the names of all those federal officers who willingly decided to enforce unlawful and unconstitutional orders in violation of their oaths to be prepared to seek another line of work outside of the federal government and law enforcement, and be prepared to be liable for civil penalties as a result of their failure to uphold their oaths without the benefit of the protection of the federal government.

 

[Michael Johnson]

If you think that is the end of it, you're sadly mistaken. The judge layed out that if you are protester who feels he or she was unreasonably accosted and detained by federal officers and you have evidence and proof of these transgressions than you have a case with legal standing that can be brought forward against the federal government, whom he has already opined may well be engaging in conduct that is unconstitutional. You can bet your sweet bippy that there already civil rights lawyers canvassing Portland protesters to form a lawsuit.

Libs lost their lawsuit. Period. I can care less about some rioters who want to file frivolous lawsuits because they got arrested and pepper sprayed.

 

[Nickyjo]

The frivolous suit was thrown out, and the cuck lawyer has a ridiculous gripe against Trump.

Repeat, it wasn’t deemed frivolous. The issue was standing.

 

[Tangmo]

I think Trump is the first President I've lived to see that actually had the golden balls to send forces to Chiraq to try to curb the shooting war in a once beautiful city. Never seen Obama - a Chicagoan - do half of what he did. Speaks volumes about Dems. Trump has shown he cares more about blacks than the entirety of the city leaders in Chiraq.

Trump keeps it up I just might vote for the first time. LOL

Trump's the best thing for Chicago since Al Capone.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Repeat, it wasn’t deemed frivolous. The issue was standing.

It was frivolous. That's why it didn't have any standing.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Libs lost their lawsuit. Period. I can care less about some rioters who want to file frivolous lawsuits because they got arrested and pepper sprayed.

They didn't lose anything and federal government didn't win anything except for a temporary reprieve. The judge ruling had nothing to do with friviouslity of it. There wasn't anything frivolous about it. It had to do with a basic civil law concept of the need to of the filers of a lawsuit to sufficiently prove how they were directly 'harmed' or 'injured' by the defendants actions in order to have legal standing. In that respect the judge's decision was absolutely the right decision. But he still nonetheless left the door wide open to further litigation on this particular matter.

 

[Nickyjo]

It was frivolous. That's why it didn't have any standing.

No, read about it. The plaintiff, the state attorney general, didn’t have standing. As I understand it, the merits of the case were not considered, so that the question if it being frivolous was not considered. Others might have standing, and then the case might be dismissed as frivolous, or be decided one way or the other.

 

[Michael Johnson]

They didn't lose anything and federal government didn't win anything except for a temporary reprieve. The judge ruling had nothing to do with friviouslity of it. There wasn't anything frivolous about it. It had to do with a basic civil law concept of the need to of the filers of a lawsuit to sufficiently prove how they were directly 'harmed' or 'injured' by the defendants actions in order to have legal standing. In that respect the judge's decision was absolutely the right decision. But he still nonetheless left the door wide open to further litigation on this particular matter.

Fact: Water is wet.

Lying Lib: No it isn't! You're a racist!

 

[Michael Johnson]

No, read about it. The plaintiff, the state attorney general, didn’t have standing. As I understand it, the merits of the case were not considered, so that the question if it being frivolous was not considered. Others might have standing, and then the case might be dismissed as frivolous, or be decided one way or the other.

The case was dismissed, no matter how salty your attitude is about it. No matter how much jargon you can come up with to rationalize the major L your party just took.

 

[MTAtech]

The case was dismissed, no matter how salty your attitude is about it. No matter how much jargon you can come up with to rationalize the major L your party just took.

From your own link:
"U.S. District Court Judge Michael Mosman said the state lacked standing to sue on behalf of protesters."

That means the protesters DO have standing and can file a suit.

 

[ludin]

It mostly consist of the fact that democrats walk a very tight rope on issues like keeping law & order in place. Their solutions have always been too heavy handed, or implied in racial circumstances. Such as implementation of stop-and-frisk as an example.

Yet when stop and frisk was implemented the crime rate plunged big time. They claimed it was racist which is why it was considered unconstitutional. I do agree that it is unconstitutional under the 4th amendment but it isn't racist.

That and their dependents on massed voter blocks, being shoved into low-income housing. Shows that they can't just put the hammer down on anyone without risking the stability of that support.

Trump's boon being that he's so brass and off the cuff on such issues. Means that he's more than willing to do what must be done when it comes to enforcing order. Something that I think is a byproduct of his "NY Democrat" days. While his shaky understand of the laws may be an issue, if he ends up biting off more than he can chew.

We'll have to wait and see.

Trump is not a politician nor is he a legal type person. he is a business person. If you have spent any time around big major corporate business people they are 100% like trump when it comes to business.
It very much is i want this done go get it done. i don't care what you have to do. If you don't get it done then well your fired.

A lot of the people that trump has fired is because they worked too much in government and they had this I will do it when I want to attitude. Trump doesn't work like that.
Neither do many other corporate business men. They expect to give directions and you figure out how to get it done.

Yes I think he bites off more than he can chew as well.