So If Im mexican I should deal with having to possibly prove my citizenship everywhere I go possibly. Even if I were legal. At the risk of ending up detained for not having papers?
I dont care about catching illegals that much. Its the legals that may suffer due to this that bothers me.
Actually, the ability of racist Arizona cops to do THIS was struck down. A trucker was stopped in Arizona, and had his driver's license in order. However, he was not carrying his birth certificate with him, so he was thrown in jail. Who the hell carries their birth certificates with them at all times?
That trucker is an AMERICAN CITIZEN, who was born in Fresno, California. What Arizonans want to do smacks of South African apartheid. I know I am not supposed to judge people by where they are from, but I can't help feeling that the majority of Arizonans who support that law, and most of them do, would have made outstanding German citizens in the 1930's. Anyways, his rights were clearly violated. When a state law enables violations like this to happen, then it is not only the right of the Federal government to step in, but the duty of the Feds to step in.
Good ruling. The thing is, that if they checked the legal status of everyone, I'd be fine with this law. But the whole reasonable suspicion thing, is bull. It might as well say if you catch any person who looks latino check them to see if they are legal.
I believe yesterday, an article came out that stated the cartels had severed the head of several victims. Severed heads discovered in Mexico state - UPI.com
Good ruling. The thing is, that if they checked the legal status of everyone, I'd be fine with this law. But the whole reasonable suspicion thing, is bull. It might as well say if you catch any person who looks latino check them to see if they are legal.
I don't see how anyone can honestly say that the AZ law won't lead to racial profiling, considering where AZ is geographically located and that illegals tend to be hispanic.
I would actually find it to be more honest and realistic if someone just came out and said, "We SHOULD be profiling hispanics to see if they are legal." I mean, it would be unPC, but at least that's the honest truth of what the law makers are beating around the bush about. But no, we're just going to pretend that it's an innocent law for the security of America and we're just going to catch people as they commit other crimes.
The level of bull****ting here is just off the scale. I agree that enforcement of the law should be suspended until the Fed case goes through.
Don't you realize that one can commit a crime without being in a car.
Oh jesus christ. Go do some research.
Reasonable Suspicion is NOTHING NEW. Every time you are pulled over by the police on the roadways, or temporarily detained by the police elsewhere, the standard needed for them to have the authority to detain you is...... REASONABLE SUSPICION!
This standard is nothing new to those who actually enforce the law. Its these god damned armchair legal scholars who don't know jack about law enforcement/legal terminology that freak the **** out and make up their own idea of what a term means.
So, if you are a person who is against this based upon the phrase, "reasonable suspicion"... here is a hint, go actually learn what the hell that means, and where/when it is used, and go surprise yourself. Don't make **** up as you go along....
ARRRGGG!!!
Ahhh the old "more important things to do" argument I always hear from folks.....shouldn't Police officers have more important things to do rather than bring in Jorge because he doesn't have his papers?
I know what reasonable suspicion means, but answer me this. What would be reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien, how does one look like they are here illegally?
WTF Do you mean "how does one look like".
It isn't about physical ****ing appearances. Or do you wish for it to be to support your preconceived idea that this is just racial profiling?
Why don't drop the ignorant ass loaded questions and respond in a way that makes me think you actually care about the exchange of ideas instead of just bickering.
That assumption is correct, the law still requires az police to enforce FEDERAL immigration statues of those they arrest, or those that are here illegally. It does not allow AZ to charge them with a crime of trespassing.
Still didn't answer my question, what qualifies for reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien?
Will you show where this is illegal? other than the 1070 law that was just castrated.
Lets ask this: If AZ law enforcement can't check to see who is legal, then who can? What government agency is authorized to "check".. How many of them do we have? How often, and under what circumstances do they "check" legal status?
Don't you all see what a mess this is?
Tim-
Actually, the ability of racist Arizona cops to do THIS was struck down. A trucker was stopped in Arizona, and had his driver's license in order. However, he was not carrying his birth certificate with him, so he was thrown in jail. Who the hell carries their birth certificates with them at all times?
That trucker is an AMERICAN CITIZEN, who was born in Fresno, California. What Arizonans want to do smacks of South African apartheid. I know I am not supposed to judge people by where they are from, but I can't help feeling that the majority of Arizonans who support that law, and most of them do, would have made outstanding German citizens in the 1930's. Anyways, his rights were clearly violated. When a state law enables violations like this to happen, then it is not only the right of the Federal government to step in, but the duty of the Feds to step in.
Still didn't answer my question, what qualifies for reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien?
I know what reasonable suspicion means, but answer me this. What would be reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien, how does one look like they are here illegally?
Sure, its a couple things.
First, the supremecy clause, which designates that federal law over rules state. Second, the SCOTUS has found that in a DIRECT sense, exercising rasonable suspicion based singularly on the facet of race is unconstitutional and thus illegal. Additionally you have U.S. v. Montero-Camargo which found that race can not be part of a broader group of reasonings either. The only time when its currently legal to use race is for searching for a specific suspect, such as when you KNOW that the perpetrator based on eye witness reports is white/black/hispanic/etc.
What makes it political and not her reading of the law? Is everything you disagree with political?
Judge Boltons brief does not say that AZ law enforcement cannot check immigration status, it says that they are not required to check. They may still check if they want to.
I know what reasonable suspicion means, but answer me this. What would be reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien, how does one look like they are here illegally?
The law SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS this....
Also, as for supremecy, are you arguing that state governments have ZERO authority to enforce ANY federal law?
Also, the legislature of AZ was not passing immigration legislation, they were legislating the behavior of illegals already in the state.
The oil industry at work. It's hard to have effective governance when corporations have more pull these days. I wonder what extras this judge got for his ruling.
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