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Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law


None of those cases is a 9th Circuit case, and the sole Supreme Court case there isn't on point (though it does say that asking about immigration status doesn't violate the 4th Amendment). So, she wasn't ignoring anything she was bound to follow.
 

Then why is Obama fining business who hire illegal immigrants millions of dollars?
 
FWIW, for an injunction to be issued, the plaintiff must (1) be likely to prevail on the provisions in question and (2) face likely "irreparable harm" in the absence of an injunction. The crux of Judge Bolton's decision is that:

...the United States is likely to succeed on the merits in showing that the following Sections of S.B. 1070 are preempted by federal law:

Portion of Section 2 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 11-1051(B): requiring that an officer make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested if there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is unlawfully present in the United States, and requiring verification of the immigration status of any person arrested prior to releasing that person

Section 3 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-1509: creating a crime for the failure to apply for or carry alien registration papers

Portion of Section 5 of S.B. 1070 A.R.S. § 13-2928(C): creating a crime for an unauthorized alien to solicit, apply for, or perform work Section 6 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 13-3883(A)(5): authorizing the warrantless arrest of a person where there is probable cause to believe the person has committed a public offense that makes the person removable from the United States

The Court also finds that the United States is likely to suffer irreparable harm if the Court does not preliminarily enjoin enforcement of these Sections of S.B. 1070 and that the balance of equities tips in the United States’ favor considering the public interest…

If enforcement of the portions of S.B. 1070 for which the Court finds a likelihood of preemption is not enjoined, the United States is likely to suffer irreparable harm. This is so because the federal government’s ability to enforce its policies and achieve its objectives will be undermined by the state’s enforcement of statutes that interfere with federal law, even if the Court were to conclude that the state statutes have substantially the same goals as federal law…
 
Yeah, anyone want to explain what "a reasonable suspicion exists that person is an alien" means?

A reasonable suspicion is an articulable suspicion based on observation and law-enforcement experience.
 
Yeah, anyone want to explain what "a reasonable suspicion exists that person is an alien" means?

No drivers license, paid under the table....
 
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You already said that. It doesn't answer the question. It's just a circle.
 
Then why is Obama fining business who hire illegal immigrants millions of dollars?

Supply and demand. No jobs, no illegal immigrants.

But, that has to be enforced more locally and won't be. Obama has to make a show in this direction as well. He can't afford to look pro illegal immigrations. None of this is new.
 
You already said that. It doesn't answer the question. It's just a circle.

But it does answer the question. None of this is real. both sides are acting in order to make a show, to look good to their followers. You can't have a show without a stage. So, you need it to go to court.
 

“[T]he fact that aliens are the subject of a state statute does
not render it a regulation of immigration

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0729sb1070-bolton-ruling.pdf
 
But it does answer the question. None of this is real. both sides are acting in order to make a show, to look good to their followers. You can't have a show without a stage. So, you need it to go to court.

If your'e saying that AZ enacted the law for show, then I'd have to say you're mistaken. Though you may well be right that the federal government is suing for those reasons.
 
If your'e saying that AZ enacted the law for show, then I'd have to say you're mistaken. Though you may well be right that the federal government is suing for those reasons.

Yes, they did. They know they already have the laws to tackle this problem on the book. If they were serious, they'd skip the theater and just enforce the law.
 
Yes, they did. They know they already have the laws to tackle this problem on the book. If they were serious, they'd skip the theater and just enforce the law.

If you're referring to the feds (which you must be, because it doesn't make any sense as it would apply to AZ), then I agree entirely.
 
If you're referring to the feds (which you must be, because it doesn't make any sense as it would apply to AZ), then I agree entirely.

Nope Arizona. Arizona could have simply enforced the laws on the books. They choose theater.
 

This is exactly what she ruled against.

This ruling is not a bump in the rode, it is more like a dagger stabbed in the heart of this law.
-CNN
 
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I hope this ruling can be changed. This judge clearly doesn't understand the law and is legislating from the bench. She hasn't ruled them to be illegal either, she has placed them "on hold" until things are legally resolved.
 
I hope this ruling can be changed. This judge clearly doesn't understand the law and is legislating from the bench. She hasn't ruled them to be illegal either, she has placed them "on hold" until things are legally resolved.

Your in no place to state whether or not a judge knows what she's talking about.
 
Your in no place to state whether or not a judge knows what she's talking about.

What utter nonsense. Any public official can and should be criticized.
 
Nope Arizona. Arizona could have simply enforced the laws on the books. They choose theater.

Which laws on the books? The federal laws? Funny; that's exactly what SB 1070 aims to do, and exactly what the suit against them claims they can't do.
 
What utter nonsense. Any public official can and should be criticized.

Yeah, followed by rational statements. Not just, "This judge is wrong!"
 
This is exactly what she ruled against.


-CNN


Son . . . she ruled against nothing. Have you not gotten that yet? Seriously?
 
Yeah, followed by rational statements. Not just, "This judge is wrong!"

No, "this judge is wrong" is perfectly acceptable for anyone to say. Indeed, it is their place. If they don't defend it well, so be it, but it's certainly well within their purview in a free society.
 
Oh really? So Arizona doesn't need to appeal anything huh.
 
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