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In Kansas City they have a TV channel broadcasting pictures from people who get arrested, even for minor offences (such as meeting prostitutes)

WTF?!?

They are humiliating these people! Not only they have to pay a fine (which is normal), but they get fired, divorced...this TV broadcasting demolishes their lives!

Isn't it contrary to the principle "ne bis in idem" (double jeopardy)?
 
bub said:
In Kansas City they have a TV channel broadcasting pictures from people who get arrested, even for minor offences (such as meeting prostitutes)

WTF?!?

They are humiliating these people! Not only they have to pay a fine (which is normal), but they get fired, divorced...this TV broadcasting demolishes their lives!

Isn't it contrary to the principle "ne bis in idem" (double jeopardy)?
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Ever read "The Scarlett Letter"?
 
bub said:
no but it looks like a good book
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It's about public shaming such as this. I think it's supposed to be a deterrent. Who would watch a channel like that?
 
Got a link? I just moved to the Gulf Coast from KC in May and don't recall this taking place.
 
bub said:
In Kansas City they have a TV channel broadcasting pictures from people who get arrested, even for minor offences (such as meeting prostitutes)

WTF?!?

They are humiliating these people! Not only they have to pay a fine (which is normal), but they get fired, divorced...this TV broadcasting demolishes their lives!

Isn't it contrary to the principle "ne bis in idem" (double jeopardy)?
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For awhile, there was an anti-choice website that was photographing women coming in and out of reproductive health clinics.
The antichoicers actually went so far as to post their license plate numbers and other identifying information about these women on their website.
The also posted information about the doctors at reproductive health clinics, including their home addresses and where their children went to school.

A court order finally forced them to stop this.
 
Yes, but the difference is that those women weren't doing anything illegal, the people televised in Kansas are guilty of crimes. Their records are a matter of public record, people could go look them up if they wished, just as the producers of the TV show have to.
 
I would be interested in knowing what crimes qualify for televising. I mean let's face it, we have COPS, Americas Dumbest Criminals, Most Shocking, all kinds of video show that highlight the criminal stupidity of people.

I don't know that I have an issue with this right at the moment. I would like to see the channel first.
 
Ahhh...okay now I see. It was aimed at prostitution stings. Well, I just don't know about this. Part of me says too bad for the John, but another part of me has to ask...how does this fit into the crime and punishment "paradigm?" This, at least right now, falls outside the actual criminal justice system and is certainly a punishment of sorts. I don't know, I'm kind of torn.

I guess I would have to say at what point does the punishment top out for particular crimes? I mean we can all say "too bad for the criminal, shouldn't have done the crime." But where do we say "okay, they paid their fine, did their time, enough is enough." I have my own thoughts about where that line is at.

The other way to look at this is that it is born out of the inability of the criminal justice system to actually deter or prevent crime. Social evolution in response to a social infection...societies immune system stepping up to fight the problem or something.
 
There are more punishments than just what the criminal justice system hands out, being convicted of a crime can, and often does, make it hard to get a job, lose you social credibility, etc. and those are purely outside of the penalties the law hands out.

If you break the law and someone wants to make sure everyone knows you broke the law, there's nothing particularly wrong with that, it might add an additional level of prevention once it becomes widely known that if you do something wrong, you'll end up on the 5 o'clock news.
 
Cephus said:
There are more punishments than just what the criminal justice system hands out, being convicted of a crime can, and often does, make it hard to get a job, lose you social credibility, etc. and those are purely outside of the penalties the law hands out.

If you break the law and someone wants to make sure everyone knows you broke the law, there's nothing particularly wrong with that, it might add an additional level of prevention once it becomes widely known that if you do something wrong, you'll end up on the 5 o'clock news.
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Pretty good summation.
 
bub said:
In Kansas City they have a TV channel broadcasting pictures from people who get arrested, even for minor offences (such as meeting prostitutes)

WTF?!?

They are humiliating these people! Not only they have to pay a fine (which is normal), but they get fired, divorced...this TV broadcasting demolishes their lives!

Isn't it contrary to the principle "ne bis in idem" (double jeopardy)?
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I think it's FANTASTIC. Break the law, suffer for it.
 
I guess my problem with doing this sort of thing is the results for the criminal...if the criminal has been punished then that should be enough...they have paid their debt. I think it becomes a problem when doing a crime makes it difficult to not do crime in the future...take this for instance, the person has been caught trying to get a prostitute...his marriage is destroyed, and he possibly shunned by family and friends, now he's depressed...what do you think he's going to do now? No that's not an excuse, but when you take bigger crimes and apply the same logic, person sells drugs...goes to prison for x time gets out...now he can't get a job earning livable wages...what do you think he's going to end up doing eventually....selling drugs...yeah i know i know it's possible to still make it, but boy is it unnecesarily difficult.
 
1069 said:
For awhile, there was an anti-choice website that was photographing women coming in and out of reproductive health clinics.
The antichoicers actually went so far as to post their license plate numbers and other identifying information about these women on their website.
The also posted information about the doctors at reproductive health clinics, including their home addresses and where their children went to school.

A court order finally forced them to stop this.
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That's a real shame ya know.

Wife and I stopped at a XXX store once in missori, more for the laugh then anything else, some asshat was takin pics of my car so I ran at his car and he took off ;) That was funny.
 
I have a friend who checks the counties mugshots every monday to see if anybody he knows got busted for anything
 
I wonder if people who support this type of thing would support the Mods publicly posting every infraction.

(No, don't even suggest it. It's not gonna happen.)
 
Cephus said:
Yes, but the difference is that those women weren't doing anything illegal, the people televised in Kansas are guilty of crimes.
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Afaik, people can be arrested and not guilty of crimes. Iirc, trials establish guilt.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Afaik, people can be arrested and not guilty of crimes. Iirc, trials establish guilt.
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Then you don't televise the people until after their trials. Easy 'nuff.
 
White power groups in the US and the UK (I think it started in the UK) used to have "Red Watch" where they'd post the addresses of various "communists" (people who they didn't like for whatever reason).
 
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