Jobs leaving again

[PIPEWRENCH]

Don't go into the sciences as a career.

Don't have to. While us older people worked all through this pandemic the left sent all the young and healthy home and paid them to do nothing.

 

[noonereal]

There is nothing to understand. The left shut down the country and destroyed our economy. Trump and the republicans wanted to work around the virus. Thousands of businesses had no problem. Amazon, all the grocery stores, all the big box stores, just about everyone who donated to the corrupt parties got to stay open. Now the small mom and pop shops that don't fund the parties well there gone now so mission accomplished.

stop it

 

[calamity]

There is nothing to understand. The left shut down the country and destroyed our economy. Trump and the republicans wanted to work around the virus. Thousands of businesses had no problem. Amazon, all the grocery stores, all the big box stores, just about everyone who donated to the corrupt parties got to stay open. Now the small mom and pop shops that don't fund the parties well there gone now so mission accomplished.

Nonsense

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Nonsense

Your right it was and is nonsense. I needed a watch battery for my moms watch. Instead of going to the local mom and pop shop where they were putting it I the watch for her for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Walmart. I wanted to get flowers for my yard. Instead of going to the local flower place I shopped at for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Home depot. I just love how the left figure it was safer me to shop in an overcrowded big box store than the local shop where most likely I would be the only person in the store. The left are so full of it it is beyond ridiculous. They send young healthy people home who have parties with no care in the world about this virus yet fail to protect our most vulnerable in our nursing homes. They even undermined instead of help the President who was focused on the vaccine. Even to the point of our current President and VP saying they would not get the vaccine if asked to by our president. That is beyond nonsense and is a big part of the problem why people do not trust the current President and are refusing the vaccine.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Your right it was and is nonsense. I needed a watch battery for my moms watch. Instead of going to the local mom and pop shop where they were putting it I the watch for her for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Walmart. I wanted to get flowers for my yard. Instead of going to the local flower place I shopped at for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Home depot. I just love how the left figure it was safer me to shop in an overcrowded big box store than the local shop where most likely I would be the only person in the store. The left are so full of it it is beyond ridiculous. They send young healthy people home who have parties with no care in the world about this virus yet fail to protect our most vulnerable in our nursing homes. They even undermined instead of help the President who was focused on the vaccine. Even to the point of our current President and VP saying they would not get the vaccine if asked to by our president. That is beyond nonsense and is a big part of the problem why people do not trust the current President and are refusing the vaccine.

The left has always been the party of the rich, but claims that of the right.

Just look at their contributions. The right outnumbers the left is "grass roots" money. The left outnumbers the right in money from the rich.

They play the deceit game very well.

 

[calamity]

Your right it was and is nonsense. I needed a watch battery for my moms watch. Instead of going to the local mom and pop shop where they were putting it I the watch for her for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Walmart. I wanted to get flowers for my yard. Instead of going to the local flower place I shopped at for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Home depot. I just love how the left figure it was safer me to shop in an overcrowded big box store than the local shop where most likely I would be the only person in the store. The left are so full of it it is beyond ridiculous. They send young healthy people home who have parties with no care in the world about this virus yet fail to protect our most vulnerable in our nursing homes. They even undermined instead of help the President who was focused on the vaccine. Even to the point of our current President and VP saying they would not get the vaccine if asked to by our president. That is beyond nonsense and is a big part of the problem why people do not trust the current President and are refusing the vaccine.

Your rant makes no sense. Walmart and Home Depot are not leftist. Smh

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

The left has always been the party of the rich, but claims that of the right.

Just look at their contributions. The right outnumbers the left is "grass roots" money. The left outnumbers the right in money from the rich.

They play the deceit game very well.

The rich and powerful that own the left also own the media as well. They do an awesome job of keeping the sheep herded. Even Hitler understood how important it was to control the media and education system. Once parties gain control of government the people have lost their government. It does not matter if it is the Communist party, the Socialist party, the Nazi party or our current parties. There is a major difference between a government that serves the people and one that rules over the people.

 

[Visbek]

Yes the plan failed. That being said it was mainly aimed at China. It might be interesting to debate why the plan failed. However we would get bogged down in Trump this or that versus why the U.S. has a problem with implementing long term strategy with politicians who think short term and presidents who have 4 years.

Or, we can talk about how protectionism almost never works, no matter which party is pushing that line.

 

[Visbek]

Your right it was and is nonsense. I needed a watch battery for my moms watch. Instead of going to the local mom and pop shop where they were putting it I the watch for her for years I had to go to the overcrowded super spreader Walmart....

HOLY SHIT NOOOO!!!

Oh, wait. The lockdowns were brief, and the vast majority of small businesses survived. What a concept.

I just love how the left figure it was safer me to shop in an overcrowded big box store than the local shop where most likely I would be the only person in the store.

So, you think that a retail store with almost no customers was going to survive? Did you learn economics on Bizarro World?

By the way, my local supermarket is tiny, and it stayed open during the pandemic. Almost all of the small stores and non-chain restaurants in my thoroughly "Blue" area survived, too. Care to explain?

The left are so full of it it is beyond ridiculous. They send young healthy people home who have parties with no care in the world about this virus yet fail to protect our most vulnerable in our nursing homes.

Uh huh. And yet, you seem to be fine with someone like DeSantis, who is now deliberately opposing any lockdowns, vaccinations, masks, or doing anything at all about the virus -- even as it kills tens of thousands of Floridians. Care to explain?

They even undermined instead of help the President who was focused on the vaccine.

Oh, you mean the guy who had no distribution plan for the vaccine, never admitted that he got the vaccine, admitted to downplaying the virus, repeatedly fought with and undermined health experts in his own administration, suggested that we inject bleach, refused to wear a mask, hosted multiple super-spreader events, got COVID at one of those super-spreader events, and did nothing as half the White House got sick too?

And how was he "focused" on the vaccine? All he did was pre-pay for a bunch of doses. He wasn't calling up Pfizer every single day, requesting updates, and making thoughtful suggestions about the distribution process. No, he was watching CNN all day, and throwing empty soda cans at the TV whenever they interviewed Fauci.

That is beyond nonsense and is a big part of the problem why people do not trust the current President and are refusing the vaccine.

lol... Yes, I'm sure that the die-hard pro-Trumpers are refusing to get vaccinated because Harris said she wouldn't trust Trump.

Please spare us the ideological self-serving nonsense, kthx. The reality is that Trump screwed up most of the federal response, because he cared more about his ego than the safety of the nation. Numerous elected Republicans are now following suit, because they care more about re-election or higher office than the safety of their constituents. It's ****ing embarrassing.

 

[Fishking]

Trump failed to reshore jobs. As a result, we landed a $2m project to strip a series of assembly lines out of a plant in Missouri, refurbish a few robots and send the whole thing to Mexico. Why?

There are three stories. Maybe all three played a part..

1. The plant was recently sued due to hazardous work conditions. The judgement against them approached $30M. They are appealing.

2. Costs: It’s simply cheaper to build in Mexico than it is in Missouri.

3. People: They can’t find enough labor in Missouri. This may be true or it may be a matter of cost. Either way, there is no shortage of workers in Mexico.

IMO, this is a horrible outcome for the US from what is likely a sound business decision by said company. Logistics are a nightmare but lower costs and less legal hassles makes a move like this worthwhile for corporations.

I’m just glad that I’ll manage this project from my office in Ohio and not be one of the guys doing all the work in Mexico. The team will sleep in Texas and commute by bus to the plant every day for about a month to complete this task.

On failed Trumpism: We probably should have just let more Mexicans come up here rather than ship more of our jobs down there. Seems to me that would have been logical. No?

Really bending backwards to somehow stick the blame on Trump, eh? Unfortunately, everything you talked about were dynamics that either existed long before Trump or after Trump. For example, the current labor shortage is happening under Biden. The off-shoring for cheap labor has been happening for decades.

Trump might've been the only one that tried to do anything about it, yet you're blaming him in the weirdest ways.

 

[calamity]

Really bending backwards to somehow stick the blame on Trump, eh? Unfortunately, everything you talked about were dynamics that either existed long before Trump or after Trump. ...

Yes, you've made it clear that NOTHING is ever Trump's fault.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Oh, you mean the guy who had no distribution plan for the vaccine, never admitted that he got the vaccine,

Trump put in place OWS which made funds available to all the vaccine producers so we could have multiple vaccine manufacturers working on the cure. This greatly increased our chances of having a vaccine in record time. What was it the experts said it would take a miracle to have vaccine in under a year. My mistake in miraculous time. OWS funded 800 million doses of the vaccine from 13 different vaccine manufacturers to insure that whichever one became first to come up with a safe working vaccine the American people would be first in line. The only problem we had with distribution is that a true leader Trump who was focused on getting us a vaccine in record/miraculous time and that the American people would not have to wait in line for it by purchasing 100's of millions of doses in advance was not the one distributing it. Instead puppet Joe showed us he was not even capable of distributing the vaccine.

 

[Razoo]

Trump failed to reshore jobs. As a result, we landed a $2m project to strip a series of assembly lines out of a plant in Missouri, refurbish a few robots and send the whole thing to Mexico. Why?

There are three stories. Maybe all three played a part..

1. The plant was recently sued due to hazardous work conditions. The judgement against them approached $30M. They are appealing.

2. Costs: It’s simply cheaper to build in Mexico than it is in Missouri.

3. People: They can’t find enough labor in Missouri. This may be true or it may be a matter of cost. Either way, there is no shortage of workers in Mexico.

IMO, this is a horrible outcome for the US from what is likely a sound business decision by said company. Logistics are a nightmare but lower costs and less legal hassles makes a move like this worthwhile for corporations.

I’m just glad that I’ll manage this project from my office in Ohio and not be one of the guys doing all the work in Mexico. The team will sleep in Texas and commute by bus to the plant every day for about a month to complete this task.

On failed Trumpism: We probably should have just let more Mexicans come up here rather than ship more of our jobs down there. Seems to me that would have been logical. No?

Now look hard at what is happening when a bunch of ships carrying USA merchandise cannot get through somewhere so merchandise is sitting in a big body of water go nowhere. This impacts the USA economy in a huge way and many different ways.

Outsourcing has been a rather short sighted policy to say the least. And reckless most certainly. Putting it yet another way USA corporate America has placed the USA in the hands of our so called enemies. Really ****ing stupid. Our cost of living continues to climb as a result of unacceptable decisions.

I read this week COSTCO is leasing some container ships to get their stock into the stores .............hmmmmmmm. 18 wheelers as well? I don't know. COSTCO may be on to something????

Just think if the USA merchandise were manufactured in the USA there would be no sitting in docks
waiting to be unloaded. Or is that corporate is wanting to bust the labor market to replace people with robots?????

 

[Razoo]

The USA government is locking up folks from Mexico and deporting them yet USA corporations are able to ship work to mexico after we hear they are stealing jobs.

There is a host of BS floating around.

 

[Visbek]

Trump put in place OWS which made funds available to all the vaccine producers so we could have multiple vaccine manufacturers working on the cure.

Sigh... No, it didn't. Nations around the world were throwing money at pharmaceuticals. Pfizer didn't take any money at all from Warp for R&D. All Warp did was lock up purchases of a lot of doses of vaccines -- which Trump supporters, apparently, don't want.

This greatly increased our chances of having a vaccine in record time.

Nope, bullshit. Multiple vaccines were developed in other nations just as fast as the companies that participated in Warp.

Plus, almost all of the work was done years ago. Researchers developed a generic coronavirus vaccine after SARS. All that had to be done was a few alterations based on the specific gene structure of COVID, and testing.

What was it the experts said it would take a miracle to have vaccine in under a year.

It wasn't a miracle.

OWS funded 800 million doses of the vaccine from 13 different vaccine manufacturers....

No, it bought huge amounts of doses. They were going to be made even if Warp didn't exist.

The only problem we had with distribution is that a true leader Trump....

Yes, Trump was the problem.

His administration had no plan whatsoever to distribute the vaccine. Trump refused to admit that he got vaccinated. He refused to promote the vaccine, even though there were early indications that his own followers were reluctant to get it. By the time he could be bothered to tell his followers at a rally that they should get vaccinated, it was too late -- they booed him. Needless to say, since that rally, Former President Spineless has put zero effort into changing anyone's mind about the vaccine.

Instead puppet Joe showed us he was not even capable of distributing the vaccine.

lol... Hello? 504 million doses distributed. 190 million Americans fully vaccinated. 220 million Americans partially vaccinated. The US has so many doses that it's donated 110 million. The brief shortages, caused by Trump's incompetence, has been over for a long time. Biden is doing everything he can to get people vaccinated. Some Republicans are so overwhelmed by partisanship that they'd rather risk death and killing people they know than get a safe, free, vaccine developed during the Trump administration.

Let us know when you rejoin the real world.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Sigh... No, it didn't. Nations around the world were throwing money at pharmaceuticals. Pfizer didn't take any money at all from Warp for R&D. All Warp did was lock up purchases of a lot of doses of vaccines -- which Trump supporters, apparently, don't want.

Operation Warp Speed (OWS)—a partnership between the Departments of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Defense (DOD)—aimed to help accelerate the development of a COVID-19 vaccine. GAO found that OWS and vaccine companies adopted several strategies to accelerate vaccine development and mitigate risk. For example, OWS selected vaccine candidates that use different mechanisms to stimulate an immune response (i.e., platform technologies; see figure). Vaccine companies also took steps, such as starting large-scale manufacturing during clinical trials and combining clinical trial phases or running them concurrently. Clinical trials gather data on safety and efficacy, with more participants in each successive phase (e.g., phase 3 has more participants than phase 2)

Sorry but you are wrong as usual.

 

[Fishking]

Yes, you've made it clear that NOTHING is ever Trump's fault.

That's not a rebuttal. You've failed to actually make a link to Trump, full stop. Offshoring has been happening for decades and the supply shortage happened on Biden's watch, and it's not being fixed on Biden's watch.

Now, I don't think Biden is actually responsible for the supply shortages, and the solutions aren't so quick as a snap of the fingers, but it remains a point none the less.

 

[Lord of Planar]

That's not a rebuttal. You've failed to actually make a link to Trump, full stop. Offshoring has been happening for decades and the supply shortage happened on Biden's watch, and it's not being fixed on Biden's watch.

Now, I don't think Biden is actually responsible for the supply shortages, and the solutions aren't so quick as a snap of the fingers, but it remains a point none the less.

Good luck with that one. He's just a pundit, and doesn't care about the facts.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Out of desperation caused by the fool who occupied the Oval Office before Biden, it is not surprising that Republicans are blaming our President for just about everything these days.

Biden is being blamed for the pandemic which in turn is responsible for the supply chain difficulties which is responsible for shortages of just about everything which is causing inflation. Without going into detail -- because there isn't any -- according to Republicans, our President is somehow responsible for the worldwide shortage of fuel which is driving prices still higher.

Unfortunately for Republicans the President is no more responsible for these temporary economic difficulties than Hoover being responsible for the Great Depression. In 2008, Bush was not responsible for the Great Recession, and Trump was not responsible for the pandemic induced recession during the spring and summer of 2020.

Unless our President loses a war, the President has little or no control over the largest economy in the world ... ours. Nevertheless, Americans blame our Presidents if the economy goes bad, and give credit to our Presidents if the economy is doing well.

Both the blame and the credit are undeserved. No one man is responsible for what our huge economy does. Our economy is in the hands of business leaders and the American worker.

That said, despite the lingering effects of the pandemic, our economy is doing quite well.

The stock market is a bellwether for future economic success or failure.

ABC News reports, "A broad rally for stocks on Wall Street sent the S&P 500 and Nasdaq to new highs Thursday, as the market more than made up for modest losses a day earlier.

"The S&P 500 rose 1%, posting its third all-time high this week. More than 80% of the stocks in the benchmark index closed higher. Technology stocks, banks and a mix of companies that rely on consumer spending accounted for much of the gains.

"The Nasdaq rose 1.4%, nudging the tech-heavy index above its previous record high set Sept. 7. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 0.7%, leaving it just shy of the all-time high it set on Tuesday.

"The number of Americans applying for unemployment benefits fell to a pandemic low last week as the job market continues to recover from last year's coronavirus recession.

"Jobless claims dropped by 10,000 to 281,000, lowest since mid-March 2020, the Labor Department said Thursday. Since topping 900,000 in early January, weekly applications have steadily dropped, moving ever closer to pre-pandemic levels."

Does the President get any credit for our thriving economy?

As explained, hell no.

 

[washunut]

Or, we can talk about how protectionism almost never works, no matter which party is pushing that line.

Leveling the playing field could work, regardless of the party pushing it!

 

[calamity]

Leveling the playing field could work, regardless of the party pushing it!

Should we level it to the German standard or the one in Mexico?

You do know the US more closely resembles Mexico. Correct?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Should we level it to the German standard or the one in Mexico?

You do know the US more closely resembles Mexico. Correct?

The US of course should focus on low skill low wage job and leave the technical high skill jobs servicing robots to Germany and China in the future

 

[calamity]

The US of course should focus on low skill low wage job and leave the technical high skill jobs servicing robots to Germany and China in the future

lol....that is the GOP platform under Donald J Trump, it seems.

 

[washunut]

Should we level it to the German standard or the one in Mexico?

You do know the US more closely resembles Mexico. Correct?

Do not agree with that assessment. Germany has the advantage of a unified currency. Do you think it makes sense for their currency to have the same value as Grease or Italy?

 

[calamity]

Do not agree with that assessment. Germany has the advantage of a unified currency. Do you think it makes sense for their currency to have the same value as Grease or Italy?

Does it make sense for Connecticut's currency to have the same value as Mississippi or Alabama?

I hope you get my point.