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JFK v. djt

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Let's compare a couple of president. trump will not like the comparison.

John F. Kennedy grew up the son of a wealthy, powerful man; much more than trump's father. Joe Kennedy was the youngest bank president in the country, and made fortunes in the stock market, real estate, he founded a movie studio, and imported liquor when prohibition was repealed.

He had the ear of a president, and was made the first head of the new SEC agency, as well as Ambassador to England. He was considered a candidate for president until he made a mistake when WWII started, that ended his political career.

He raised his children for public service. Every night, they were pushed to engage in family discussions about policies. Each son was given a million dollars when he became an adult 'so that he could call the father a son of a bitch if he wanted', and attended schools such as Harvard.

When WWII started, the eldest son, who was fully planned to run for president, did a dangerous tour of 25 bomber missions, making him eligible for going home. Instead, he volunteered for another dangerous mission, flying a bomb toward Germany, which exploded, killing him.

His younger brother, JFK, was rejected for military service for health reasons; he used his father's influence to get INTO combat, and commanded a PT Boat which was sunk and he became a war hero for his efforts to get his crew rescued.

JFK also wrote his first book, about how the allies had not prepared for war, which became a national bestseller. Later, in the hospital as a Senator, nearly killed by his health conditions, he wrote another book with his speechwriter, Ted Sorenson, "Profiles in Courage", which became a classic, and possibly with a little influence, won the Pulitzer Prize.

JFK had no plans for politics - he lacked the qualities of his brother. When his brother was killed, his father pushed him to replace him going into politics, and he did, learning. He won difficult elections for Congress and the Senate.

JFK had the luxury of 'trying to do the right thing' for the planet. He had toured the world, interrogating US embassies around the world, learning. He knew rich men and powerful men, and saw where they were good and bad. He'd seen where the appeal of a Hitler - including with his family - had led to disaster. He saw limits on the pursuit of wealth and humanity's broader needs.

He instinctively cared about the plights of black people, of poor people; when he ran for president, to get around the 'smoke-filled room dealmaking', he did what hadn't done before, and with Sorensen, flew to all 50 states, meeting with party leaders, building support to run in the primaries, and it worked.

He stumbled into supporting Martin Luther King, Jr. when he was arrested, and that was the turning point for race going from a non-partisan issue outside the south, to one where Democrats were the leaders. King's father, who was a Republican who planned to vote for Nixon, switch to support Kennedy, and many black voters followed.

JFK wanted to bring change to the century of racism that had followed the civil war with civil rights laws. Southern Democrats were united in opposition, telling JFK if he did, they would join Republicans to kill his entire agenda in Congress. JFK did not immediately submit the bill, but after 2 years, he did, despite the opposition, the first president to confront the nation with civil rights as a moral imperative.

JFK's concerns included trying to remove the threat of nuclear annihilation; his proudest achievement was the hard-fought passage, fighting his own Pentagon, of the Limited Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, ending the worst testing of nuclear weapons. They included trying to reduce poverty globally, fighting the sort of global corruption Republicans had embraced and been a leading cause of.

JFK became a hero around the world, representing a democratic culture, fighting both the tyranny of communist corruption and fascist corruption. He fought our allies' brutal colonies overseas; and the very powerful organized crime system in the US.
 
Your slavish adoration of an at best mediocre president JFK is noted.
 
Let's compare a couple of president. trump will not like the comparison.

John F. Kennedy grew up the son of a wealthy, powerful man; much more than trump's father. Joe Kennedy was the youngest bank president in the country, and made fortunes in the stock market, real estate, he founded a movie studio, and imported liquor when prohibition was repealed.

He had the ear of a president, and was made the first head of the new SEC agency, as well as Ambassador to England. He was considered a candidate for president until he made a mistake when WWII started, that ended his political career.

He raised his children for public service. Every night, they were pushed to engage in family discussions about policies. Each son was given a million dollars when he became an adult 'so that he could call the father a son of a bitch if he wanted', and attended schools such as Harvard.

When WWII started, the eldest son, who was fully planned to run for president, did a dangerous tour of 25 bomber missions, making him eligible for going home. Instead, he volunteered for another dangerous mission, flying a bomb toward Germany, which exploded, killing him.

His younger brother, JFK, was rejected for military service for health reasons; he used his father's influence to get INTO combat, and commanded a PT Boat which was sunk and he became a war hero for his efforts to get his crew rescued.

JFK also wrote his first book, about how the allies had not prepared for war, which became a national bestseller. Later, in the hospital as a Senator, nearly killed by his health conditions, he wrote another book with his speechwriter, Ted Sorenson, "Profiles in Courage", which became a classic, and possibly with a little influence, won the Pulitzer Prize.

JFK had no plans for politics - he lacked the qualities of his brother. When his brother was killed, his father pushed him to replace him going into politics, and he did, learning. He won difficult elections for Congress and the Senate.

JFK had the luxury of 'trying to do the right thing' for the planet. He had toured the world, interrogating US embassies around the world, learning. He knew rich men and powerful men, and saw where they were good and bad. He'd seen where the appeal of a Hitler - including with his family - had led to disaster. He saw limits on the pursuit of wealth and humanity's broader needs.

He instinctively cared about the plights of black people, of poor people; when he ran for president, to get around the 'smoke-filled room dealmaking', he did what hadn't done before, and with Sorensen, flew to all 50 states, meeting with party leaders, building support to run in the primaries, and it worked.

He stumbled into supporting Martin Luther King, Jr. when he was arrested, and that was the turning point for race going from a non-partisan issue outside the south, to one where Democrats were the leaders. King's father, who was a Republican who planned to vote for Nixon, switch to support Kennedy, and many black voters followed.

JFK wanted to bring change to the century of racism that had followed the civil war with civil rights laws. Southern Democrats were united in opposition, telling JFK if he did, they would join Republicans to kill his entire agenda in Congress. JFK did not immediately submit the bill, but after 2 years, he did, despite the opposition, the first president to confront the nation with civil rights as a moral imperative.

JFK's concerns included trying to remove the threat of nuclear annihilation; his proudest achievement was the hard-fought passage, fighting his own Pentagon, of the Limited Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, ending the worst testing of nuclear weapons. They included trying to reduce poverty globally, fighting the sort of global corruption Republicans had embraced and been a leading cause of.

JFK became a hero around the world, representing a democratic culture, fighting both the tyranny of communist corruption and fascist corruption. He fought our allies' brutal colonies overseas; and the very powerful organized crime system in the US.

But according to the most violent and deadliest trump cult in america, JFK JR is going to rise from the dead to become Trumps VP.
 
Lets add that JFK would not tolerate today's far left democratic party.
He would leave the democratic party of today in a nano second.

JFK loved our nation and worked very hard to improve it.


"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961
 
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961

The words of a communist, or at the very least a socialist. It is not the citizens who should be serving their government, but rather government that should be serving its citizens. Only communists and those who worship government believe their subjects should be slaves to the government and do its bidding, like JFK.
 
On the other hand, donald trump, was also raised by a wealthy father, one who seemed to teach him nothing but ridicule, cruelty, racism, and that money was all that mattered. fred trump's infamous actions included being arrested at a KKK rally, and being punished for racism policies toward black tenants.

He was very successful financially, though not as successful as Joe Kennedy; but he failed in one area, giving vast sums to his son Donald, for countless speculative ventures, where he lost all the money, becoming the American who lost more money than any other American.

Donald trump grew up as a damaged, narcissistic sociopath, always pursuing fame. He'd call media pretending to be someone else, trying to get them to print stories about him; he'd create false stories.

When trump was of age for the Vietnam war, his father used his power to get trump out of service on a lie, giving a podiatrist tenant money to write a phony diagnosis of bone spurs.

trump tried to grab glory of military service, claiming that the military school he was sent to because he assaulted a teacher, was like his having served in the military. "“I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me. They don’t know much because they’re not winning."

Outside his self-promotion, he had some national visibility when in the Central Park jogger rape incident, where five minority young men were arrested, trump took out full page ads demanding the restoration of the death penalty over it. When DNA later cleared the young men, trump refused to acknowledge their innocence.

It was one of many self-indulgent frauds, another, perhaps his most infamous, later being his becoming the leading "birther", promoting the lie that Barack Obama was an illegitimate president, not born in the US.

trump has basically nothing but grift, and con man activities. A writer proposed writing a book promoting him, which the author came to greatly regret having done. trump became unable to get loans from US banks after constant failures, but then got mysterious funding still not revealed, likely from Russian organized crime sources.

He'd buy a property for one price, and then sell it for a greatly inflated price to such a Russian figure. He created false documentation of his wealth to get more loans, committing various frauds for which he's still under investigation.

He's a pathological liar, it would take a volume of books to discuss his history with lies. It's hard to think of any figure in history who compares.

He is simply a corrupt disgrace as president, contemptuous of even his own base, using the cheapest, smarmiest activities, molesting the flag to thrill a lowbrow crowd, stealing his campaign slogan from Reagan, hiring actors to pretend the were supporters for his declaration, avoiding media with pretend veteran fundraisers that were a fraud.

He's established himself as a power in the right by giving the wealthy interests everything they want, while creating a cult of followers for all the wrong reasons which allows him to terrorize other Republican politicians.

A book could be written about JFK's 'good causes' he fought for. Another book could be written about wrong, corrupt causes trump fought for without one good cause.

One thing JFK and trump had in common - and that's a very small list - was a large sexual appetite. One difference - all of JFK's partners were consensual, while trump has 25 accusers of sexual assault. JFK was discreet; trump partied with people such as Jeffrey Epstein, and argued about his promiscuity risking STD's: "It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider."

“You know, if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam, we have our own Vietnam — it’s called the dating game. Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”

On of the very few other things they have in common, is bringing family into office. But JFK appointed arguably the best Attorney General in history, his brother RFK, while trump has put the utterly unqualified Ivanka and Jared in corrupt grifter positions where they only harm the country and the world.

JFK fought for policies that led to a third fewer Americans in poverty long-term; trump signed a bill to transfer trillions to the rich.

JFK fought against a PR campaign led by Ronald Reagan to pass Medicare; trump has fought to repeal healthcare for tens of millions and to reduce funding for Medicare.

JFK created the Alliance for Progress and fought for the poor in Latin and Southern America; trump has abandoned efforts to repair with relations with Cuba and supported coups in Venezuela.

JFK fought for our first arms control agreements; trump has dismantled agreements, both with Russia and Iran.

In short, the contrast between the two men is such that if alien life were discovered, it might be more similar to one of them than they are to each other.
 
JFK was not a great president, - he did not live long enough for that - but he was decent and competent and set a tone which has seldom been duplicated for citizen involvement.

Donald Trump is a piece of waste who is the worst president of all time.

That is the comparison .
 
JFK was not a great president, - he did not live long enough for that - but he was decent and competent and set a tone which has seldom been duplicated for citizen involvement.

Donald Trump is a piece of waste who is the worst president of all time.

That is the comparison .

There's some truth to that, but it's a myth that 'JFK was not a great president'. He was. The issue is whether people learn that. And there is the question of how people define 'great'. There are personal qualities, policies fought for, events that occurred, the economy, all kinds of different definitions. I disagree with some of them.
 
Let's compare a couple of president. trump will not like the comparison.

John F. Kennedy grew up the son of a wealthy, powerful man; much more than trump's father. Joe Kennedy was the youngest bank president in the country, and made fortunes in the stock market, real estate, he founded a movie studio, and imported liquor when prohibition was repealed.

He had the ear of a president, and was made the first head of the new SEC agency, as well as Ambassador to England. He was considered a candidate for president until he made a mistake when WWII started, that ended his political career.

He raised his children for public service. Every night, they were pushed to engage in family discussions about policies. Each son was given a million dollars when he became an adult 'so that he could call the father a son of a bitch if he wanted', and attended schools such as Harvard.

When WWII started, the eldest son, who was fully planned to run for president, did a dangerous tour of 25 bomber missions, making him eligible for going home. Instead, he volunteered for another dangerous mission, flying a bomb toward Germany, which exploded, killing him.

His younger brother, JFK, was rejected for military service for health reasons; he used his father's influence to get INTO combat, and commanded a PT Boat which was sunk and he became a war hero for his efforts to get his crew rescued.

JFK also wrote his first book, about how the allies had not prepared for war, which became a national bestseller. Later, in the hospital as a Senator, nearly killed by his health conditions, he wrote another book with his speechwriter, Ted Sorenson, "Profiles in Courage", which became a classic, and possibly with a little influence, won the Pulitzer Prize.

JFK had no plans for politics - he lacked the qualities of his brother. When his brother was killed, his father pushed him to replace him going into politics, and he did, learning. He won difficult elections for Congress and the Senate.

JFK had the luxury of 'trying to do the right thing' for the planet. He had toured the world, interrogating US embassies around the world, learning. He knew rich men and powerful men, and saw where they were good and bad. He'd seen where the appeal of a Hitler - including with his family - had led to disaster. He saw limits on the pursuit of wealth and humanity's broader needs.

He instinctively cared about the plights of black people, of poor people; when he ran for president, to get around the 'smoke-filled room dealmaking', he did what hadn't done before, and with Sorensen, flew to all 50 states, meeting with party leaders, building support to run in the primaries, and it worked.

He stumbled into supporting Martin Luther King, Jr. when he was arrested, and that was the turning point for race going from a non-partisan issue outside the south, to one where Democrats were the leaders. King's father, who was a Republican who planned to vote for Nixon, switch to support Kennedy, and many black voters followed.

JFK wanted to bring change to the century of racism that had followed the civil war with civil rights laws. Southern Democrats were united in opposition, telling JFK if he did, they would join Republicans to kill his entire agenda in Congress. JFK did not immediately submit the bill, but after 2 years, he did, despite the opposition, the first president to confront the nation with civil rights as a moral imperative.

JFK's concerns included trying to remove the threat of nuclear annihilation; his proudest achievement was the hard-fought passage, fighting his own Pentagon, of the Limited Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, ending the worst testing of nuclear weapons. They included trying to reduce poverty globally, fighting the sort of global corruption Republicans had embraced and been a leading cause of.

JFK became a hero around the world, representing a democratic culture, fighting both the tyranny of communist corruption and fascist corruption. He fought our allies' brutal colonies overseas; and the very powerful organized crime system in the US.

And if he were alive today, he would be rejected by Democrats as an extremest for his stance on
The 2nd amendment,
He called abortion repugnant
Believed in a strong military
He was tough on unions
Lowered taxes,
Very religious
He wanted to reform welfare
He appointed one of the two justices who dissented against Roe v. Wade.

Funny how you spent so much time on him. Democrats wouldn't give him the time of day in todays world.
 
He'd seen where the appeal of a Hitler - including with his family - had led to disaster.

"After visiting these two places you can easily see how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for his country, which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made." - John F Kennedy

lol
 
Your slavish adoration of an at best mediocre president JFK is noted.

So, instead of looking down your nose at President Kennedy, why not back it up with examples of what made him mediocre, IN YOUR MIND, rather than EXCEMPLARY as most historians agree he was.
 
Lets add that JFK would not tolerate today's far left democratic party.
He would leave the democratic party of today in a nano second.

JFK loved our nation and worked very hard to improve it.


"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961

No, he would have worked within the party to make it better.
 
Lets add that JFK would not tolerate today's far left democratic party.
He would leave the democratic party of today in a nano second.

JFK loved our nation and worked very hard to improve it.


"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961
That is communism plain and simple

Working to improve the country for the greater good pure communism.

The government works to serve me, the country exists because of the government. So the country exists to serve me and the millions of other people in the country. I pay my taxes and hire ( elect) people to run the country in the best possible way.
 
There's some truth to that, but it's a myth that 'JFK was not a great president'. He was. The issue is whether people learn that. And there is the question of how people define 'great'. There are personal qualities, policies fought for, events that occurred, the economy, all kinds of different definitions. I disagree with some of them.

The GREAT Presidents usually are Washington, Lincoln and FDRoosevelt. I would place JFK in a group of eight bend that which would include Jefferson, Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Clinton and Obama.

But that is just my personal opinion.

Had JFK served for two terms - who knows what was possible?
 
The words of a communist, or at the very least a socialist. It is not the citizens who should be serving their government, but rather government that should be serving its citizens. Only communists and those who worship government believe their subjects should be slaves to the government and do its bidding, like JFK.

Oh my what a silly post! communist........ :lamo :lamo
 
The GREAT Presidents usually are Washington, Lincoln and FDRoosevelt. I would place JFK in a group of eight bend that which would include Jefferson, Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Clinton and Obama.

But that is just my personal opinion.

Had JFK served for two terms - who knows what was possible?

Jefferson is way overrated. Clinton and Obama were bottom tier presidents as well.
 
JFK v. djt

Comparing JFK with other presidents is complicated considering the national tragedy. However, he was proficient at English as a first language, didn't go spastic in front of large crowds, and had an air of being presidential that Tweety sorely lacks. if Punkinhead was in charge during the Cuban Missile crisis, i think that it would have ended in one of three ways :

1. Utter annihilation.

2. Tweety would have taken his instructions from Khrushchev in a private room like he does with Putin.

3. Tweety would construct a web of lies around the missiles until you couldn't actually know or even care what his real position is. Then he wouldn't have to do anything but keep lying. This might be the most likely scenario. Of course, we have to take into account that there was no Fox or hate radio propaganda back then, so it would have been a little more difficult.

I'll go with number one. He would have botched it hard and then escalated until it was too late, just as he does with everything else.
 
So, instead of looking down your nose at President Kennedy, why not back it up with examples of what made him mediocre, IN YOUR MIND, rather than EXCEMPLARY as most historians agree he was.

most historians are caught up in the entire dead Kennedy mythos as well.

1) His resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis was poor for starters.

2) His lack of support (despite the public perception) for the manned space program.

For starters.
 
The GREAT Presidents usually are Washington, Lincoln and FDRoosevelt. I would place JFK in a group of eight bend that which would include Jefferson, Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Clinton and Obama.

But that is just my personal opinion.

Had JFK served for two terms - who knows what was possible?

That's like saying 'the best meals in America include McDonalds. Many eat it.' It's, no offense, not even a little bit thoughtful about the issue IMO to just name 'greatest hits'.

WHAT makes Washington a 'great president' other than being first? WHAT makes Lincoln a 'great president' other than being president during a major event of civil war, and an eloquent lawyer? But but he's on Mount Rushmore and everyone says. Not much of a reason. I'm not sure you're ready for that discussion? There is a lot to the issue of what a great president is, and why they are. Note that I do include FDR as great.
 
That's like saying 'the best meals in America include McDonalds. Many eat it.' It's, no offense, not even a little bit thoughtful about the issue IMO to just name 'greatest hits'.

WHAT makes Washington a 'great president' other than being first? WHAT makes Lincoln a 'great president' other than being president during a major event of civil war, and an eloquent lawyer? But but he's on Mount Rushmore and everyone says. Not much of a reason. I'm not sure you're ready for that discussion? There is a lot to the issue of what a great president is, and why they are. Note that I do include FDR as great.

Washington's handling of the Whiskey Rebellion was nothing short of brilliant and achieved every possible objective.

Lincoln's handling of the foreign and civilian domestic aspects of the U.S. govt. during the American Civil War was equally brilliant.
 
The words of a communist, or at the very least a socialist. It is not the citizens who should be serving their government, but rather government that should be serving its citizens. Only communists and those who worship government believe their subjects should be slaves to the government and do its bidding, like JFK.

JFK was not a “communist” or even close to one.

Edwin Walker is that you?
 
"After visiting these two places you can easily see how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for his country, which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made." - John F Kennedy

lol

Technically Hitler is “significant”....just as the man who wrecked Germany and murdered millions of innocent people.
 
So, instead of looking down your nose at President Kennedy, why not back it up with examples of what made him mediocre, IN YOUR MIND, rather than EXCEMPLARY as most historians agree he was.

Bay of Pigs, for one. If you are going to support an uprising, support it all the way. If you are going to back out halfway through, don’t support them at all. His approach only succeeded in getting a lot of people killed and directly led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
 
That's like saying 'the best meals in America include McDonalds. Many eat it.' It's, no offense, not even a little bit thoughtful about the issue IMO to just name 'greatest hits'.

WHAT makes Washington a 'great president' other than being first? WHAT makes Lincoln a 'great president' other than being president during a major event of civil war, and an eloquent lawyer? But but he's on Mount Rushmore and everyone says. Not much of a reason. I'm not sure you're ready for that discussion? There is a lot to the issue of what a great president is, and why they are. Note that I do include FDR as great.

The fact that without Washington it’s entirely likely the country never would have held together in the first place and because he easily could have made himself president for life but chose to set the two term precedent still largely followed today....for starters.

Lincoln likewise saw the US through the greatest crisis it had seen, and arguably the greatest crisis it’s ever had and decisively crushed slavery.
 
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