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Jesus Christ: Prophet, or Gods Son

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I believe he was the son of God. I believe this because.
1. NO normal prophet could have performed all those miricles EVEN the Jews saw happen and they STILL dont believe him.

2. He fulfilled EVERY old testament prophecy said to him down to who his mother was, his father, where he was born, raised. EVERYTHING. this isnt just told in the bible. Even Jews believe this but they reject him... also Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet when I believe he was actually Gods son





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Thoridorn said:
I believe he was the son of God. I believe this because.
1. NO normal prophet could have performed all those miricles EVEN the Jews saw happen and they STILL dont believe him.

2. He fulfilled EVERY old testament prophecy said to him down to who his mother was, his father, where he was born, raised. EVERYTHING. this isnt just told in the bible. Even Jews believe this but they reject him... also Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet when I believe he was actually Gods son
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And you know these things are true? How? Because someone told you it was true or because someone wrote it in a book?
 
I thought he was a carpenter and community organizer? ;)
 
ITs not the bible that prooves these things... Even the Jews pass this same story down but DOUBT he was God's son but he was. there is no way a normal prophet or blasphemer could have done these great things
 
I believe absolutely that Jesus of Nazareth was the son of the God of the Jews.

Since I am not a Jew and do not worship the God of the Jews, I do not believe that I owe Jesus of Nazareth anything beyond proper respect for his magical powers and for the sheer magnificence of his impact on the world. On the other hand, I would be delighted at the opportunity to sit down with him over coffee and discuss the world.
 
I believe he is God's son and God. That he was with God and part of him in the garden of Eden and before. I also believe in the holy spirit.
The existence of God is easy. Look to the Greek prophets and their reasoning about the origins of the universe. These guys' philosophy was the foundation of math, science and social design.
But it is much harder to define the character of the creator. Was he a three headed dog or a fire fly? Is he a tree in the forest? Or all of the earth?
These are hard questions that come with much reading and soul searching.
Besides my personal revelations, I will tell you it is mighty hard for me to believe that someone who wanted to create a cult around himself would have chosen to do so with the help of leapers and children. Tax collectors and fishermen. He hung out in the equivalent of the local bar-where the sinners and the neediest people hung out.
A whore is the one who found the empty tomb first. Do you think that was an accident? A harlot was in Jesus' direct ancestry (Rahab of Jericho).
Gandhi was a Christian.
And so was the apostle Paul- a Jew and Roman citizen and the man probably responsible for the stoning death of Stephen.
He believed in him. And so did John.
But mostly my grandmother believed in him.
And that is good enough for me.
 
Thoridorn said:
ITs not the bible that prooves these things... Even the Jews pass this same story down but DOUBT he was God's son but he was. there is no way a normal prophet or blasphemer could have done these great things
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If you are not Jewish, then don't pretend to speak for the Jewish People.
 
The actor 'Jesus' in the bible isn't a historical person

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Thoridorn said:
I believe he was the son of God ...
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You decide what you believe because the person 'Jesus' in the bible isn't a historical person. Sons of a god and prophets were important ancient conceptions ...

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Thoridorn said:
I believe he was the son of God. I believe this because.
1. NO normal prophet could have performed all those miricles EVEN the Jews saw happen and they STILL dont believe him.
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According to what do you know whether or not "miracles" were performed at all?

Thoridorn said:
2. He fulfilled EVERY old testament prophecy said to him down to who his mother was, his father, where he was born, raised. EVERYTHING. this isnt just told in the bible. Even Jews believe this but they reject him... also Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet when I believe he was actually Gods son

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He fulfilled all the prophets? Again, according to who?
 
Tashah said:
If you are not Jewish, then don't pretend to speak for the Jewish People.
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People express opinion about the beliefs of other religions all the time. I had thought it was as fair to do that as offering any other opinion.

I'll look forward to you similarly chastising folks for opinining what Muslims believe when they are not Muslims.
 
I believe him to be neither a prophet nor God's son. I'm not even quite sure Jesus existed. I am leaning more towards that if he did exist, he was just some radical preacher and certain people used his image to help build up a massive religion to take over other religions.
 
Thoridorn said:
I believe he was the son of God. I believe this because.
1. NO normal prophet could have performed all those miricles EVEN the Jews saw happen and they STILL dont believe him.

2. He fulfilled EVERY old testament prophecy said to him down to who his mother was, his father, where he was born, raised. EVERYTHING. this isnt just told in the bible. Even Jews believe this but they reject him... also Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet when I believe he was actually Gods son





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Jesus/Isiah is a Prophet, nothing more or less. He didn't die on a cross for my sins in any shape or form, He is not any form/replica/son of God as it would be insulting to God itself and finally, he's no more important than any other Prophet.

Its nice that you believe Jesus is God/God's child.
Jews are doing just fine, its worse to worship a human as God compared to rejecting a Prophet.
 
If the scriptural account is taken as factual... we have no choice but to accept Him as God the Son.

John 8

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
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Jesus refers to Himself as "I AM". The very same phrase that Moses heard from the burning bush.

Exodus 3

13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
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If he ever existed in the first place, and there is no evidence whatsoever that he did, but assuming he did, he was nothing more than an itinerant preacher that had the mantle of divinity draped over him posthumously.
 
You really believe in deities with supernatural powers, miracles, ressurection, etc.? I can't imagine anyone really does.

-Mach
 
Mach said:
You really believe in deities with supernatural powers, miracles, ressurection, etc.? I can't imagine anyone really does.

-Mach
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My sentiments exactly... the day before I believed.
 
Even in this day and age someone with enough Charisma and nerve could claim to be a prophet and gain followers.Thats what it think of guys like jesus(though it seems likely jesus was several guys like this combined into 1 over time).
 
Thoridorn said:
I believe he was the son of God. I believe this because.
1. NO normal prophet could have performed all those miricles EVEN the Jews saw happen and they STILL dont believe him.

2. He fulfilled EVERY old testament prophecy said to him down to who his mother was, his father, where he was born, raised. EVERYTHING. this isnt just told in the bible. Even Jews believe this but they reject him... also Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet when I believe he was actually Gods son





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I believe Jesus is a mythological recreation and combining of pagan sun God's into a story most everyone can get behind. Watered down paganism to get folks behind the idea of 1 and only 1 God.

Let God have a "son" and folks won't be as upset about giving up their Sun gods.

I don't believe he ever existed as a man.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
I believe absolutely that Jesus of Nazareth was the son of the God of the Jews.

Since I am not a Jew and do not worship the God of the Jews, I do not believe that I owe Jesus of Nazareth anything beyond proper respect for his magical powers and for the sheer magnificence of his impact on the world. On the other hand, I would be delighted at the opportunity to sit down with him over coffee and discuss the world.
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Of course, as you post shows you don't think he would be able to tell you something you don't know. So what is the delight, especially when JC drinks wine, but not coffee? How do you think you would make him to have your coffee?
 
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Laila said:
Jesus/Isiah is a Prophet, nothing more or less. He didn't die on a cross for my sins in any shape or form, He is not any form/replica/son of God as it would be insulting to God itself and finally, he's no more important than any other Prophet.

Its nice that you believe Jesus is God/God's child.
Jews are doing just fine, its worse to worship a human as God compared to rejecting a Prophet.
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It would be rather insulting to claim that G-d COULD NOT to show up in a form of a human and to experience the numan life from human POV, remaining being G-d at the same time?

What in your world makes you think that G-d COULD NOT do something?
 
Iriemon said:
People express opinion about the beliefs of other religions all the time. I had thought it was as fair to do that as offering any other opinion.

I'll look forward to you similarly chastising folks for opinining what Muslims believe when they are not Muslims.
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he shouldn't say Even Jews.

Either

Jews, or

in my knowledge Jews, or

I understand that Jews,

of course it is better -

Jews,

but not

Even Jews.

And then if he wanted to be correct he should have said: IN JUDAISM.

Tashah pointed that there can be a confusion; and she has demonstrated her own confusion as a an example.
 
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talloulou said:
I believe Jesus is a mythological recreation and combining of pagan sun God's into a story most everyone can get behind. Watered down paganism to get folks behind the idea of 1 and only 1 God.
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An example of a blind beleive with no evidence or logic.

People believe in all kinds of weird things.

Weird, really weird.
 
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