Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff

[What if...?]

Nowhere in the story does it describe anyone planning to storm the Capitol, ransack Congressional offices, hang Pence etc.

What is does describe is people:
1. Who thought Trump lost the election through electoral fraud, occurring as a result of the changes made in state electoral laws last year in response to COVID.
2. Who thought Congress had the right to reject state certified electoral votes and to direct them back to the relevant state for re-consideration.
3. Who thought they could pressure Congress to exercise the above mentioned power by organizing demonstrations and protests in DC on the date Congress witnessed the counting of the electoral votes.

So-- does Congress have the right and power to reject state certified electoral votes?
If they do, and Trump is thus correct, then all we have an article which describes an effort to use 1st amendment rights of free speech and to petition government for a redress of grievances.

If they, and Trump, are wrong, and Congress has no such power, then we have an article that describes an effort to use 1st amendment rights of free speech and to petition government for a redress of grievances, directed toward the wrong people (There was a quote in the article by someone saying the efforts should be directed at the state capitols).

Problem is with no. 1.

There is no link between increased mail voting and fraud. Not in the states that use it exclusively or in 2020.

What it was was a bald faced lie.

Like claiming that there are unsolved rapes. There are.

But that it is all those unregistered penises that are the problem and everybody must provide a DNA test and their whereabouts when every rape in the country occurred.

So we can be sure that every non-rapist male is accounted for.

And of course: "Your resistance to the universal DNA testing and individual investigations is proof you are protecting rapists!"

You all keep posting claims not in evidence as actual evidence.

They're posing y'all like a fiddle. To the point of filing suits in courts with no jurisdiction to hear them. Which is either incompetence or cynical manipulation so they can tell you the courts refused to hear the evidence.

When it was actually refusal to hear your lawsuit against the unicorns for violating you with their horns.

In traffic court.

 

[jpevans]

What a a bunch of bull. Typical leftist post, leaving out all the pertinent information, conveniently forgetting about rioters trying to bar police in a burning building, rioters tearing down public property, setting fire to police cars, vandalizing and robbing businesses, and a criminal that exited a police car that was then celebrated at the White House. in the mean time, all the decent officers that have lost their lives in the line of duty don't even get a nod, not even a thank you, never mind families invited for commemorations at the White House. And they SURE don't get millions of dollars of tax payer money. I'll tell ya, there's nothing more despicable than an ultra-leftist, Biden bootlicker. Thanks!!

We morn Police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty, the #1 killer of PO's is COVID-19.
The Civil War isn't over until systemic racism is gone from the PD's & Justice system across the country. Black folk aren't a political monolith, but every Black person in America has been called a n****r al some point in their life.

 

[What if...?]

No it wasn't because Biden was already elected when the state certified electoral college cast their ballots back in December.
All Pence was doing was counting the votes and all Congress was doing was witnessing the count.

And voting to challenge a bunch of state's results.

Did you forget all the assholes who did so after having to flee from a rampaging crowd?

 

[jpevans]

Yep. It's all about me. Makes it easier than actually making an argument, doesn't it?

So where did you provide facts? Post number?

 

[jpevans]

About a couple dozen out of hundreds were armed, it was determined. What do you mean by injured? When I say unarmed, I mean guns.

Attila the Hun was unarmed, then?

 

[Rawley]

So where did you provide facts? Post number?

Muller provided hundreds of pages of facts clearly establishing RUssia Russia Russia was a hoax. You jumping in that foxhole with Plasma claiming Trump was colluding with the RUssians?

 

[jpevans]

I can't account for why prosecutors would plea bargain these cases. The act of trying to overthrow... an election and interfere with congress looks like seditious conduct to me.

Pretty much the same reason Confederates weren't jailed & excepting Lee & a few top Generals, were given the right to vote & their homes back. White privilege & comradeship. Disregarding the way the Right seemed to not give a care about the Capital & Metro Police on 1/6, Law enforcement types tend to skew right.

 

[jpevans]

Muller provided hundreds of pages of facts clearly establishing RUssia Russia Russia was a hoax. You jumping in that foxhole with Plasma claiming Trump was colluding with the RUssians?

Do you ever answer a post?
I actually have the (heavily redacted) Mueller Report & read much of it. I don't except Drumpf's Lawyer's (Bill Barr) version of it.

 

[Rawley]

Do you ever answer a post?

Every time. Not my problem if you don't like the answer.

I actually have the (heavily redacted) Mueller Report & read much of it. I don't except Drumpf's Lawyer's (Bill Barr) version of it.

Did you get to this part, where he said his team of Trump hating attorneys “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

Or are you with Plasma and are still under the delusion, in spite of every fact to the contrary, that Trump colluded with the Russians?

 

[Mika-El]

.. if one believes that Congress can 'overturn' an election, then, trying to get Congress to do so is perfectly legal.

No of course not. What one believes and what the law says are not the same thing necessarily.

The former is a subjective opinion the latter is based on a Judge's ruling as to how a law applies.

The problem with you and Trump followers is you believe your subjective opinions are law. You perpetuate this myth of your messiah that anything he says is law. Can you stop just once acting like a blind ideologue and messiah follower and take the time to understand your country's laws. People died in many wars so you could enjoy the freedom those laws give and you can't take the time to find out what the basis of your freedom is they died for? Why? You call yourself a patriot and you are that intellectually lazy? Really?

No "overturning an election" using violence is NOT and has never been legal and you very well know why. You also know without legal evidence of an illegal vote, you have no legal grounds to go to court to challenge the election vote. You also know damn well the place to challenge an election vote for fraud is in court not having a tantrum on the street and breaking into public property and desecrating it and threatening people's lives.

What Trump followers did was no different than the masses Hitler would incite to burn books, burn the Reichstag, smash windows of synagogues and Jewish stores and go out in the streets and beat to death or cause serious injuries to political opponents such as socialists, communists, Jews. It was nothing more than cheap thug fascist mob street theatrics violence . People of the United States went out and voted and told people like you to piss off. Now you do not like being put in your place. You don't like the very freedom of speech you demand for yourself when it does not work in your favour. You believe freedom of speech is fine as long as it agrees with you and if it does not you want to smash it, break it, mock it.

You have zero argument. Zero. Where is your damn proof of a fixed election? Go on get it. We can wait. Bring it.Provide it to a court. You have no evidence. All you have is a year later, whining and trying to defend the very same street violence you are the first to complain about if its done by Black Lives Matter or Antifa.

 

[Mika-El]

Every time. Not my problem if you don't like the answer.


Did you get to this part, where he said his team of Trump hating attorneys “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

Or are you with Plasma and are still under the delusion, in spite of every fact to the contrary, that Trump colluded with the Russians?

Speaking of delusions. For you to come on this forum and attempt to pretend Putin did not intrerfere with the 1016 and 2020 US elections is laughable. Not only is that evidence in public domain for all to see but even your beloved messiah who denied Putin interfered in 2016, backtracked and tried to pretend he never made that denial when the evidence of Putin's interference became public domain. Your messiah doesn't even deny the 2016 Putin interference.

Go on tell everyone how your own US Intelligence is part of the conspiracy against Trump. You words are past laughable.

Russia, Iran Acted to Influence 2020 Presidential Election, Report Says

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said Russian President Vladimir Putin tried to hurt Biden’s prospects and sow discord, while Iran’s supreme leader moved to undercut Trump.

www.wsj.com

Here's What We Know So Far About Russia's 2016 Meddling

It included hacking, spreading propaganda on social media and even staging rallies.

time.com

Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says (Published 2021)

The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election.

www.nytimes.com

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy

www.theguardian.com

Putin likely directed 2020 U.S. election meddling, U.S. intelligence finds

Russian President Vladimir Putin likely directed efforts to try to swing the 2020 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump, according to an American intelligence report released on Tuesday that sources said would likely trigger U.S. sanctions on Moscow.

www.reuters.com

 

[Mika-El]

Muller provided hundreds of pages of facts clearly establishing RUssia Russia Russia was a hoax. You jumping in that foxhole with Plasma claiming Trump was colluding with the RUssians?

No he did not.

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

www.acslaw.org

Are you done just out and out making false statements or do you want to continue?

 

[RAMOSS]

Oh, if the argument is that political violence is never an acceptable way of influencing, or seeking to influence an elected legislature, this is true.
Which explains why conservatives trot out the sympathies expressed to the rioters of 2020 by progressives as a sign of their lack of honesty on the issue of the events of 1/6.

But if we are going to talk about crimes such as sedition, or terms such as "insurrection" or make claims of seeking to disqualify sitting members of Congress based upon the Constitution, then it does matter whether Congress has such power to reject state certified electors, and what exactly they were doing on 1/6.

Not quite. It is not 'influencing or seeking to influence', it is 'interring with Congress to disrupt the validation of the legitimate election. Setting up a gallows, trying to find the vp, and chanting 'hang mike pence' goes beyond merely trying to influence legislation.

 

[Rawley]

Speaking of delusions. For you to come on this forum and attempt to pretend Putin did not intrerfere with the 1016 and 2020 US elections is laughable.

LOL I never said word about Putin interfering, did I?

 

[Rawley]

No he did not.

Well, in our world Mueller “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

www.acslaw.org

Are you done just out and out making false statements or do you want to continue?

Uh, it was Mueller's statement, not mine.

 

[Plasmaball]

Yeah, you forgot a few things, like the draconian lock-step society Biden is trying to establish. All of what you are talking about sounds so idyllic until inflation bites everybody in the ass and makes life miserable, that parents aren't allowed to raise their children as they see fit, that the IRS is breathing down every American's neck. Oh I know, you think it's just those awful rich people that are gonna take the hit, but nope, scrutiny will be national. What else are all those new IRS agents gonna do with themselves?? Then, there's the gas that becomes prohibitively high which then makes everything more expensive, so families eat less healthy food as the good stuff gets pretty pricey. Oh I know. Small price to pay. So what if there are a few more potato chip eating fat kids?? Then of course there's the vaccine mandate, better known as the guaranteed labor shortage mandate, the goods shortage - which is now so short that farmers can't get tires or parts for their tractors. So that makes food even more expensive. And as if that's not bad enough, we have all kinds of immigrants NOT required to so much as wear a mask being dropped off haphazardly all over the nation, while everybody is supposed to pay homage to such a stupid president that he can't even remember that while he's resuming flights for the fully vaccinated from China, he FORGOT that the Chinese vaccine is not considered viable in the US. Yes, they have to have US VACCINES at the border. And no Russian either. He probably forgot that, too. Maybe he should just ask Fauci to step it up with another mutation, instead of letting covid bide its time among all the infected that he's letting in or are sneaking in. There's lots of those, thanks to his "screw America" invitation. Thanks!!

I don't know...maybe go outside and take a walk?
Cuz this shit is crazy talk

 

[Plasmaball]

x.com

mobile.twitter.com

Watch the Eastman videos..
It's crazy...

 

[upsideguy]

I have many alternate truth-based news sites at my fingertips. No garbage from HuffPo, The NY Times, WaPo, Politico,

Alternative truth???? WTF.... You have to be kidding us? If you believe such, you are certainly kidding yourself. There is no alternative truth. There is truth and there is fiction.

There is no "alternative truth" nor are there, as KellyAnne Conway once uttered, alternative facts. Now you can have beliefs. Beliefs are not the same as truth. Beliefs can be true, but they can be false, but beliefs are less than truth because they are unproven. We find truth by proving belief through facts and logic. Until a belief is proven as a truth, it remains suspect as to whether or not it is true.

The problem many on the extreme of the right have is they confuse belief for truth and belief there are such things as alternative facts. That thinking is why far to many of them live in fantasy land. They actually have no interest in truth; just interest in their beliefs. Don't confuse your beliefs with truth, for it makes you ignorant.

The thought that Trump won the last election is a belief. It is NOT a truth. When you apply facts and logic, you begin to realize that belief is fantasy. The problem that we have with 1/6, is that far too many people confused belief (that Trump was somehow robbed) with truth, and acted on erroneous belief, to the detriment of American democracy. What led people to act as such is the purpose of the Select committee.

A traitor to America by visciously going after our former p[resident.

No, our President is going after the threat to American democracy that the "stop the steal" farce has become. It is the President's job to protect the American constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The question that remains open is whether the former president riled up his useful idiots to the point that they attacked American democracy at is core; attempting to stop the certification of the vote. If Trump was behind this, overtly, covertly or with a reckless disregard for it happening, that makes him a domestic enemy; a traitor to our country. For the sake of our democracy, this question demands rigorous attention.

 

[Paradoxical]

Alternative truth???? WTF.... You have to be kidding us? If you believe such, you are certainly kidding yourself. There is no alternative truth. There is truth and there is fiction.

There is no "alternative truth" nor are there, as KellyAnne Conway once uttered, alternative facts. Now you can have beliefs. Beliefs are not the same as truth. Beliefs can be true, but they can be false, but beliefs are less than truth because they are unproven. We find truth by proving belief through facts and logic. Until a belief is proven as a truth, it remains suspect as to whether or not it is true.

The problem many on the extreme of the right have is they confuse belief for truth and belief there are such things as alternative facts. That thinking is why far to many of them live in fantasy land. They actually have no interest in truth; just interest in their beliefs. Don't confuse your beliefs with truth, for it makes you ignorant.

The thought that Trump won the last election is a belief. It is NOT a truth. When you apply facts and logic, you begin to realize that belief is fantasy. The problem that we have with 1/6, is that far too many people confused belief (that Trump was somehow robbed) with truth, and acted on erroneous belief, to the detriment of American democracy. What led people to act as such is the purpose of the Select committee.



No, our President is going after the threat to American democracy that the "stop the steal" farce has become. It is the President's job to protect the American constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The question that remains open is whether the former president riled up his useful idiots to the point that they attacked American democracy at is core; attempting to stop the certification of the vote. If Trump was behind this, overtly, covertly or with a reckless disregard for it happening, that makes him a domestic enemy; a traitor to our country. For the sake of our democracy, this question demands rigorous attention.

Ummmm, alternative is instead of. IOW, instead of YOUR goto sources like HuffPo, etc. Not alternative truth. So, instead of (alternate) reading the garbage that poisons the minds from The NY Times, WaPo, HuffPo, etc., I read alternative sites.

PS. I hope this helps.

 

[Logophile]

I don't know...maybe go outside and take a walk?
Cuz this shit is crazy talk

Yet another typically lazy leftist post. As per your suggestion, my index finger will now take a short virtual walk to escort you out of my purview. Thanks!!

 

[Plasmaball]

Yet another typically lazy leftist post. As per your suggestion, my index finger will now take a short virtual walk to escort you out of my purview. Thanks!!

Nobody likes it when their ideas are shown to be fringe...

 

[upsideguy]

Ummmm, alternative is instead of. IOW, instead of YOUR goto sources like HuffPo, etc. Not alternative truth. So, instead of (alternate) reading the garbage that poisons the minds from The NY Times, WaPo, HuffPo, etc., I read alternative sites.

PS. I hope this helps.

So, share with us all these "alternative truth-based" news sources. You, and every one here knows they are not "truth-based" at all. They are "alternative truth's"..... political porn, designed to play upon your fantasies. Any connection with such sources and the truth are purely coincidental.

You read news that is fact free and has no journalistic rigor. The NY Times and WaPo remain widely acknowledged as two of the greatest newspapers (and news sources) in the world. They deal in fact and have a journalistic rigor.

You, OTH, as my previous post suggests do not value fact or journalistic rigor. You value news sources that tell you what you want to hear be it truth or fantasy (generally the latter). You live in an alternative reality. I get it that you don't like truth because it conflicts with much of your beliefs.... but, if you want to debate, you have to deal in truth.

If, they truly are "truth-based", you would have no problem sharing them with us, so that we all might come to understand what you are talking about. But, you are afraid to do so because I am right on this, and you don't wish to be exposed. Too late.

 

[jakiejakester]

Ummmm, alternative is instead of. IOW, instead of YOUR goto sources like HuffPo, etc. Not alternative truth. So, instead of (alternate) reading the garbage that poisons the minds from The NY Times, WaPo, HuffPo, etc., I read alternative sites.

PS. I hope this helps.

I think the problem is that your alternative sites are Breitbart, Town Hall, Michelle Malkin, The Drudge Report, Info Wars etc. Would you please provide us - enlighten us with the "ALTERNATE NEWS" sites that you read so we can see where your "truth" comes from?

Thanks!

 

[prometeus]

Muller provided hundreds of pages of facts clearly establishing RUssia Russia Russia was a hoax

Quote one ****ing page instead of posting yet another of your moronic lies.

 

[Rawley]

Quote one ****ing page instead of posting yet another of your moronic lies.

You funny. Let me guess, Mueller was lying when he said he and his 19 Trump hating lawyers “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”