• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Jan. 6 panel to subpoena Trump, show new evidence from Secret Service

Hillary Clinton managed...and without pleading the 5th. If Trump makes it that far it's about all we'll hear from him.
She wasn't under the gun of threatened prosecution from all directions. She also faced a real bipartisan committee that was focused on a specific issue.

Of course, to be fair, she also committed perjury and should have been prosecuted over the email issue and perjury about it.
 
So, after I refuted your stupid attempt to try to equate Trump's public show of support and affection for Jan 6 criminals to Harris' and other mainstream politicians' support of the BLM protesters, you change the claim and you start talking about other things. Typical for every person who is incapable of defending his original claim.
You are incapable of repudiating anything I post because I am always right.
 
What is your disagreement with regards to security? Capitol security is the responsibility of congress. Why wasn't there enough security on hand? Why were repeated requests for national guard support that day rejected by congressional leadership? Why the %$^#$ weren't the doors to the capitol reinforced so that they couldn't be breached by people with items on hand.
Can you support your implicit contention that congressional leadership was repeatedly denying requests for NG support? I saw them repeatedly requesting them as they were holed up in the depths of the Capitol. Not that they have the authority to do so, mind you. The NG answers to the President of the United States, not Congress.

Again - the 'roadmap' has been anything but clear, and is entirely partisan. They are going far afield of January 6 into election issues - and only the election issues they want to do. It's largely focused on political speech.

Congress is not suited for or equipped to do criminal investigations. The DOJ doesn't need any help from them. Quite the opposite - congress should direct the DOJ to provide a report with respect to the criminal issues involved.
As you've seen explained many times here and other places, the congressional committee is not pursuing a criminal investigation, but facts in support of legislative recommendations. As part of this, they will draw conclusions as to who did what and will present a report that will outline further measures to protect the integrity of elections should one madman and his cohorts author and/or promote conspiracy after conspiracy of "theory in search of evidence." (Guiliani)

It would be good to get Trump's direct answers to what he did on Jan 6 instead of calling the NG, so that the congress could understand what they need to do in the future to protect Congress from a hostile President. Maybe he was just indisposed for several hours. That might clear up a lot of things.
 
Sure he can. He goes in, takes the fifth, and walks out. Easy Peazy. It may not stop his indictment, but there is no way Trump testifies. He would lie. He can't help himself. He knows it. If that happens, regardless of anything else, he goes to jail for perjury. He knows this. He has been warned repeatedly over the years. If he testifies, he goes to jail. No ifs ands or buts.
It's posturung from Trump. He will never testify, it's perjury in the bag.

The Committeee has repeatedly asked Trump to come in, talk under oath. Its better for him to just whine and play victim. The snowflakes in his base eat it up.
 
Can you support your implicit contention that congressional leadership was repeatedly denying requests for NG support? I saw them repeatedly requesting them as they were holed up in the depths of the Capitol. Not that they have the authority to do so, mind you. The NG answers to the President of the United States, not Congress.
lol. Really? That's very old news. The sergeants-at-arms denied multiple requests to have the national guard on hand. When they finally did request help during the riot, the NG had to mobilize and respond.

The president isn't in the chain. The capitol has to request the support from the secretary of the army. In this case, they sent assistance when requested - there within 3 hours. It was just too late once the riot started.


The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress. Former chief Steven Sund -- who resigned his post last week after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for him to step down -- made the assertions in an interview with The Washington Post published Sunday.

Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it. Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.

Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.


As you've seen explained many times here and other places, the congressional committee is not pursuing a criminal investigation, but facts in support of legislative recommendations. As part of this, they will draw conclusions as to who did what and will present a report that will outline further measures to protect the integrity of elections should one madman and his cohorts author and/or promote conspiracy after conspiracy of "theory in search of evidence." (Guiliani)

It would be good to get Trump's direct answers to what he did on Jan 6 instead of calling the NG, so that the congress could understand what they need to do in the future to protect Congress from a hostile President. Maybe he was just indisposed for several hours. That might clear up a lot of things.

Actually, people here have repeatedly and consistently talked about criminal investigation and prosecution. It's all about digging out crimes to send to the DOJ. To suggest otherwise is silly.
 
9 yes votes to 0 no votes. DJT is to be subpoenaed as agreed minutes ago. (y)
LOL. Bet that was a real nail-biter vote. As if we needed any more evidence that the entire proceeding is a pre-ordained Stalinesque show trial...,
 
She wasn't under the gun of threatened prosecution from all directions. She also faced a real bipartisan committee that was focused on a specific issue.

Of course, to be fair, she also committed perjury and should have been prosecuted over the email issue and perjury about it.

Either way Hillary turned up and handled it and Trump won't. If his lawyers can't get him out of attending he'll plead the fifth all day long (like totally innocent people do, right?).

But if would be great to watch him try and answer, erratically lying and changing stories the whole way. If they could just let him free-mike it like at his rallies, he could practically convict himself.
 
lol. Really? That's very old news. The sergeants-at-arms denied multiple requests to have the national guard on hand. When they finally did request help during the riot, the NG had to mobilize and respond.

The president isn't in the chain. The capitol has to request the support from the secretary of the army. In this case, they sent assistance when requested - there within 3 hours. It was just too late once the riot started.

Yeah, I read that article ages ago. Stg at Arms Irving rebuffed the offers and resigned. I thought you said Congressional leadership.

Actually, people here have repeatedly and consistently talked about criminal investigation and prosecution. It's all about digging out crimes to send to the DOJ. To suggest otherwise is silly.
Oh, I don't much doubt they'll pass along their treasure trove of evidence to the DOJ, but there is a clear need for a fact-finding commission after a failure like that. What caused it? Who responded to it? Who was supposed to respond to it and failed to do so? Who was supposed to foresee the problem and how or why did they fail at preventing the breech? Why did Trump's Republican VP come under the attack of Trump supporters attacking the Capitol? The report is going to be massive. There were so many failures, but one real cause.
 
I guess he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to answer.
I get it. It's not easy for your side to lose a hotly contested election. Then to be lied to repeatedly, told of countless conspiracies of fraud that turn out to be more lies. I remember when Trump (unexpectedly to me) won in 2016. I would have initially believed some wild and crazy excuses to explain how such a loser could have been elected President of the US. Turns out, however, people voted for him. That's what happened.

What I don't get, however, is that we still have these sycophants. After all of the failures in court, the constant debunking of every wacky theory of fraud, and especially the foreshadowing in several interviews that Trump would never accept defeat. Bannon told us exactly what he was planning to do in face of a defeat on election night. How can anyone ignore this clear promise of what Trump actually did? On top of that, he lost in so many key states, it wasn't even a close election. Seriously, what the heck is wrong with people?
 
It's telling that they waited so long to subpoena Trump. They had to know the clock would run out on their monkey trial on Jan 6, 2023 when the GOP takes back the House and the subpoena is rescinded.

In other words, Trump will never ever ever ever testify to this committee. They are playing to the Nov 8 2022 midterm election, not the Jan 6 2021 riot.
 
LOL. Bet that was a real nail-biter vote. As if we needed any more evidence that the entire proceeding is a pre-ordained Stalinesque show trial...,

What trial? What the hell are you on about?
 
Image
 
lol. Already got that talking point today. It's silly.

No, its not silly. Its the issue with your post. You are like the film critic that never saw the movie. You haven't done your homework on this and thus have no clue what you are talking about. Hence, you are speaking from ignorance

Your entire point is about the events ON 1/6. As the committee has shown us, this was a much bigger assault on American democracy than a riot at the Capitol on 1/6. There is a a much grander, more diabolical scheme by Trump to discredit and set aside the results of the 2020 election. It was an attempted coup.

What we have also seen is there is NO counter-narrative..... certainly not one that can be told without risk indictment.

No one takes the film critic that never saw the film seriously. Not your way to keep your relevance. Please do your homework and keep up with the rest of us.



 
She wasn't under the gun of threatened prosecution from all directions. She also faced a real bipartisan committee that was focused on a specific issue.

Of course, to be fair, she also committed perjury and should have been prosecuted over the email issue and perjury about it.
Um, she had an entire right wing party screaming lock her up.
 
It's telling that they waited so long to subpoena Trump. They had to know the clock would run out on their monkey trial on Jan 6, 2023 when the GOP takes back the House and the subpoena is rescinded.

In other words, Trump will never ever ever ever testify to this committee. They are playing to the Nov 8 2022 midterm election, not the Jan 6 2021 riot.
Trump isn't running for election.
 
It's telling that they waited so long to subpoena Trump. They had to know the clock would run out on their monkey trial on Jan 6, 2023 when the GOP takes back the House and the subpoena is rescinded.

In other words, Trump will never ever ever ever testify to this committee. They are playing to the Nov 8 2022 midterm election, not the Jan 6 2021 riot.
Trump was asked to testify long ago. Why does he need a subpoena?
 
Trump isn't running for election.
Really? You wouldn't guess that looking at the Democratic party's campaign strategy. They seem to have gone all in on the 45th president and making the election a referendum about him.
 
Trump was asked to testify long ago. Why does he need a subpoena?
Because he's got no intention of voluntarily gracing this monkey trial with his presence. Why give them the publicity? They deserve to be shut down and forgotten.

They are already spending my tax dollars on what is basically an 11 month long campaign rally. That should be enough.
 
Because he's got no intention of voluntarily gracing this monkey trial with his presence. Why give them the publicity? They deserve to be shut down and forgotten.

They are already spending my tax dollars on what is basically an 11 month long campaign rally. That should be enough.
So, you support fascism.
 
Yeah, I read that article ages ago. Stg at Arms Irving rebuffed the offers and resigned. I thought you said Congressional leadership.


Oh, I don't much doubt they'll pass along their treasure trove of evidence to the DOJ, but there is a clear need for a fact-finding commission after a failure like that. What caused it? Who responded to it? Who was supposed to respond to it and failed to do so? Who was supposed to foresee the problem and how or why did they fail at preventing the breech? Why did Trump's Republican VP come under the attack of Trump supporters attacking the Capitol? The report is going to be massive. There were so many failures, but one real cause.
Yes - congressional leadership. So now you did see it? And yet, those questions weren't asked

And yes, the whole focus has been on trying to find crimes.
 
Trump isn't running for election.
Right? You wouldn't know that from Democrats though. I guess running against Trump is easier than running on their record.
 
Back
Top Bottom