"It's Real Y'all": People Are Sharing Their Tariff Receipts, And My Wallet Is Not Ready For What's Coming (1 Viewer)

[NWRatCon]

Apparently, you're quite adept at virtue signaling, especially while implementing a strawman to obfuscate my point. Nice try

Wait, there was a point in that?

 

[NWRatCon]

Needs work.

A lot of work. Between Medi and Logophile I see the burgeoning of a whole new approach to posting: use as many words as possible to obscure a lack of meaning. Anyone have a clue what point they think they're making?

 

[Hamish Howl]

This might help those among us who believe tariffs will help America when in fact they hurt the consumer.

This is but one example of many, hope you trump voters like the higher prices. Where is that horrible Biden economy when we need it?

"It's Real Y'all": People Are Sharing Their Tariff Receipts, And My Wallet Is Not Ready For What's Coming

"The product cost is $524 and the tariff charge is $890."

www.yahoo.com

Spin this my republican counterparts. Like I've been telling y'all, owning the libs is getting very expensive, hope y'all are enjoying your trump vote as he punishes y'all along with everyone else.

It's hard for Peter Thiel and Musk to buy up companies at bargain basement prices if they're thriving.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Are you familiar with history? I suspect you are. Well, the richest families in the world are in China. Now how do you suppose that happened? Why the reference to history? What we have in China is just like the old Imperial China of the past. What we have been seeing for about 40 to 50 years has been a slow takeover of the economic levers of power the world over. And Western rich folks are just as guilty as the thugs that have been running China.

What we are seeing right now is nothing short of an economic war. That is right; WAR!

Y'all best get that fact into your thought processes and quit messing about with petty crap. This is a complete change of the entire world's economic situation.

If you need some help with this short explanation, I'll be happy to post links. But be ready for a couple of hours of studying to grasp the basics. And then a few days of studying to see what supports that summary of the basics.

By the way, the older Republican Party chiefs are just as guilty as the Democratic Party chiefs. That is why they tried at first to stop Donald Trump. They recognized what was coming and didn't like it one bit. The Democratic Party bosses were a bit slow to recognize what was going to happen.

It is all in the history. The records are all there, if you want to understand what is happening.

This is not China against the United States. This is the rich against the middle class and lower class; economically lower class. And Donald Trump doesn't like his rich friends. He talks bovine excrement about how cool they are, but he actually is going to bring them down with a crash. And I don't think most of you understand that. You really think this is a political thing? This is far-far bigger than that. Much-much bigger.

Who is going to win this war? Good question. The rich folks might just win. That's war. Only the last banner flying on the battle field is the winner.

People making excuses for the leopards eating their faces/making the market pogo up and down like Mia Khalifa.

 

[NWRatCon]

Take a few classes in economics. I will give you a hint to get you started: American made goods will be far more expensive than imported goods due to the wages the US pays it's workers compared to Chinese workers.
Next: do a bit of research (serious suggestion) and see how expensive and how long it takes to start new start ups of factories to replace the goods not being imported, and with the US almost at full employment and shipping out immigrants, pray tell us where the work force will come from.

It's easy to regurgitate something you heard somewhere, it is quite something else to understand international trade, how actions (such as the tariffs) effect prices, and how a nation that has almost full employment and is NO LONGER a nation of factories is going to suddenly, overnight, find an adequate work force.

This is a point that has to be made over and over, because the thickness of the skulls it needs to penetration is so deep.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Take a few classes in economics. I will give you a hint to get you started: American made goods will be far more expensive than imported goods due to the wages the US pays it's workers compared to Chinese workers.
Next: do a bit of research (serious suggestion) and see how expensive and how long it takes to start new start ups of factories to replace the goods not being imported, and with the US almost at full employment and shipping out immigrants, pray tell us where the work force will come from.

It's easy to regurgitate something you heard somewhere, it is quite something else to understand international trade, how actions (such as the tariffs) effect prices, and how a nation that has almost full employment and is NO LONGER a nation of factories is going to suddenly, overnight, find an adequate work force.

See, this is the sort of thing that makes MAGAs go into full cognitive dissonance.

Someone's going to have to clean this mess up, @SNOWFLAKE and I vote for you because you just caused it.

 

[NWRatCon]

Why wouldn't the importer refund the customer?

And get refunded by the government how? That would just double their expense. They pay the $145 tariff twice, and wait to get it back from an understaffed government?

 

[NWRatCon]

The tariffs are generally ten percent, no biggie. It's China tariff that's stuck in everybody's craw there, "idiot"

You really don't have a clue about economics, do you? That belongs in the "dumbest post" thread...

 

[Mr Person]

The tariffs are generally ten percent, no biggie. It's China tariff that's stuck in everybody's craw there, "idiot"

Only if you're rich does the prospect of prices on everything imported suddenly jumping 10% add up to "no biggie" (nevermind the other wood/auto/metal tariffs on top). Nevermind tariffs have all sorts of negative downwind effects.

All we're really doing is reducing our future growth; stabbing ourselves in the dicks...

But Trump did it, so MAGAs have to sing their praise or else be ex-communicated as a "leftist". So they all line up, bend over, and beg Trump for that steel pineapple. To own the libs, see? God, what a stupid timeline.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

This is a point that has to be made over and over, because the thickness of the skulls it needs to penetration is so deep.

See, this is the sort of thing that makes MAGAs go into full cognitive dissonance.

Gentlemen, since @Logophile either chose not to acknowledge my rebuttal to his inanity or was afraid of looking foolish in the face of superior intellect, I can only assume he will continue to post naivety because it is easier than getting an education on how international economics work or thinking independently.

 

[Michael Cole]

The tariffs are generally ten percent, no biggie.

Really?

$40k vs $44k.

Which car are you going to buy?

It's China tariff that's stuck in everybody's craw there, "idiot"

It's mortgage rates that everyone hates. God, what idiots they are. It's like 7%. No biggie.

 

[NWRatCon]

Please allow me to help you with the issue you raise about the constitutionality of what is taking place.
....
In other words, if you can prove your case for something being unconstitutional, you are doing a great service to your nation and maybe your preferred political party organization.

The case is actually quite straightforward. One needn't get bogged down.

First, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress exclusive authority over "taxes" (clause 1), and "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations". Arguably, they delegated some authority to the executive with the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-35

Trump invoked the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to justify the tariffs.

Regulating Imports with a Reciprocal Tariff to Rectify Trade Practices that Contribute to Large and Persistent Annual United States Goods Trade Deficits

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency

www.whitehouse.gov

That requires an emergency. He declared one, but he didn't justify it, nor is it "unusual" as required by the statute. Second, the act does not address tariffs, which are a tax, a separate authority of Congress. Third, the tariffs are too broad to be justified under the declaration. (Penguins in Antarctica, really? Lesotho? The UK, which has a trading surplus with the US?) Ergo: they are unconstitutional.

 California has sued to block them on that basis.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/FILE_8502.pdf

Their complaint has merit.

 

[NWRatCon]

If they were susceptible to embarrassment, a couple of our wordiest posters here would be horrified about their historical, legal and economic ignorance. Such, however, is the effect of such gross ignorance, as demonstrated by Professors Dr. Dunning and Dr. Kruger. This ignorance is broad-based, encompassing all three areas of academic study.

The Trump Tariff idiocy is centered on mercantilist economics which was ushered out of valence in economic thought two centuries ago. It's frankly just stupid. Because it is so idiotic and fringe, it is rejected by all educated economists, and has been implemented in a completely amateurish way.

It is also breathtakingly illegal, as demonstrated (in part) by my previous post. In addition to those obvious constitutional faults, it violates numerous treaties to which the United States is a signatory (See, US Constitution, Article VI). Suits have been initiated in the International Court of Justice for that reason.

 

[reflechissez]

And get refunded by the government how? That would just double their expense. They pay the $145 tariff twice, and wait to get it back from an understaffed government?

They could get refunded via tax returns. Not saying this is ideal, just that they don't have to wait for the government.

 

[Logophile]

Really?

$40k vs $44k.

Which car are you going to buy?


It's mortgage rates that everyone hates. God, what idiots they are. It's like 7%. No biggie.

Well, the mortgage rates were right up there with Biden, so if people want those to come down, they're gonna have to be more interested in inflation reduction. Powell jumped the gun back in December, lowering the interest rate, so that helped inflation set in at a stubborn high ever since, long before the tariffs. The other problem is flat out greed. Biden was thrilled to give everybody big fat federal pay raises, then companies felt compelled to follow suit. Well, now with a minimal general standard of 20 bucks an hour, stuff is expensive, and a house with labor costs alone is super expensive, so the usual housing market pattern is no longer viable. It used to be high-mortgage-rate/cheap house. Now it's high-mortgage-rate/super expensive house. Then we have the insurance industry on a tear, trying to control every house, demanding new expensive premature replacements and sky high rates, so that doesn't help affordability, along with the fact that they are in collusion with the banks: no insurance, no loan

 

[NWRatCon]

They could get refunded via tax returns. Not saying this is ideal, just that they don't have to wait for the government.

How long are they supposed to wait? I've been fighting the IRS for 5 years over their $58 error, WHICH THEY ACKNOWLEDGED. I get a new letter every year demanding payment, plus interest and penalties... And they're supposed to get this complicated and unregulated stuff right? (The tariffs were not the result of a studied regulatory regime as the statue requires.) That's why companies are not waiting.

 

[Michael Cole]

Well, the mortgage rates were right up there with Biden, so if people want those to come down, they're gonna have to be more interested in inflation reduction.

You appear lost. Tariffs are inflationary. That's the entire basis for the argument.

$40k vs $44k.

That you begin by focusing on my mockery is fascinating.

Powell jumped the gun back in December, lowering the interest rate, so that helped inflation set in at a stubborn high ever since, long before the tariffs. The other problem is flat out greed. Biden was thrilled to give everybody big fat federal pay raises, then companies felt compelled to follow suit. Well, now with a minimal general standard of 20 bucks an hour, stuff is expensive, and a house with labor costs alone is super expensive, so the usual housing market pattern is no longer viable. It used to be high-mortgage-rate/cheap house. Now it's high-mortgage-rate/super expensive house. Then we have the insurance industry on a tear, trying to control every house, demanding new expensive premature replacements and sky high rates, so that doesn't help affordability, along with the fact that they are in collusion with the banks: no insurance, no loan

WTF are you talking about?

The issue is 10%. You said it was no big deal. This word salad is undecipherable.

I expect you have no objection to me tacking on 10% to your offer for my house. It'll be $550k, thanks. I need a new car. You don't. You need to be less materialistic.

$50k should get me something nice.

Anything else? If 10% is no big deal, 11% certainly isn't. The home will be $555k, thanks. (I have sales tax to pay on the new car. You don't.)

 

[bomberfox]

Trumpists are incapable of understanding soft power.

 

[Logophile]

You appear lost. Tariffs are inflationary. That's the entire basis for the argument.

$40k vs $44k.

That you begin by focusing on my mockery is fascinating.


WTF are you talking about?

The issue is 10%. You said it was no big deal. This word salad is undecipherable.

I expect you have no objection to me tacking on 10% to your offer for my house. It'll be $550k, thanks. I need a new car. You don't. You need to be less materialistic.

$50k should get me something nice.

Anything else? If 10% is no big deal, 11% certainly isn't. The home will be $555k, thanks. (I have sales tax to pay on the new car. You don't.)

Tariffs are separate to inflation because they are temporary, and can be revoked at any time. They are leverage, nothing more, not that I would expect you to get that

 

[Crakhobarbie]

So in a world of over 8 billion people, and roughly 359 million established businesses worldwide, there's only one wholesale vendor of floodlights?? And the guy who likes his Canadian tailored suits can't find a comparable US tailor ANYWHERE?? And the Japanese crafts person can't find a wholesaler of Japanese goods in JAPAN?? She has to buy all her stuff from China?? LOL!!

I find it funny that these examples have been used for "tariff hardship." It really makes us look - I don't know - petty to say the least

Do you think before you post?
Businesses have relationships built over years.
They have price guides, catalogs, websites, all created for the products they've been buying for years from their trusted manufacturer.
Then along comes a moron who forces them, through tariffs, to end that trusted relationship, throw out and redo, reprint all those brochures, scrap that website and start from scratch.... all because the bankruptcy king of the oval office has decided F___ you. I'm in charge now.
I find it pathetic that someone with absolutely no idea of the work and expense that goes into the building of other folks Businesses has the unmitigated audacity to spew their moronic opinions on a public forum.
When one doesn't know what they're talking about, it's best to keep ones mouth shut.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

They are leverage, nothing more,

Better known as blackmail.
You and Donald have no problem with f___ing with thousands of businesses (and the very real people that make them possible) bread and butter.
Then you come here spewing your moronic nonsense.
If you had any common sense you'd be embarrassed.

 

[Michael Cole]

Tariffs are separate to inflation

Alrighty then. You've entered the Earth 2 stage of argumentation. I don't play that.

because they are temporary, and can be revoked at any time.

Marriages are separate from affairs, because they can be revoked at any time.

Okay, I lied. I'll play a little.

They are leverage, nothing more, not that I would expect you to get that

They are cleavage. Keep your hands off.

You're babbling.

Price just went up. $556k for the home. Address that. It's your argument.

 

[Peter]

I wonder where our resident Trump fans are to explain why paying huge tarrifs is actually fantastic news for everyone?

Mayby Trump should double the tarrifs so you guys can pay even more, won't that be wonderful.

 

[Peter]

Look what he’s done with the economy! He’s taken a system that has been accepted institutionally by the D.C. swamp, he’s turned it upside-down on its head. It results in eight trillion in commitments for manufacturing, pharmaceuticals and chips and automobiles. Now, has moved us towards energy dominance. That’ll be a huge, huge profit for every American. We’ll all benefit financially.

Eight trillion dollars in manufacturing investments over the next 3 1/2 years.




How stupid are Fox viewers?

If the US gets $8T investment in manufacturing in the next 4 years I will donate $100 to the forum.

Why does Trump pick such obviously stupid targets?
He may as well claim $100T in investment or say that China will sell him half the country for $5.
Obviously he'll get the good half as he's not stupid.

 

[NWRatCon]

2/3 of US labor is employed by small businesses - the very businesses these tariffs will bankrupt. My son worked for a mom and pop shop. Their profit margin was about 5%. They rely on volume to stay afloat. Most of their products come through China. A plaque produced for $50, would now cost over $100 (labor to assemble has not gone up). Who can absorb a 100% mark up? Already long-term customers are foregoing expensive trophies for small plaques, certificates and ribbons. Business is plummeting. I hate to think what is going to happen this summer. Their 12 employees will likely be unemployed, because their employer will go under. Multiply that by millions. That is what is coming.