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Its Just a FORM nonsense

Maccabee said:
No, I'm asking how likely you think that's possible in numbers.
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It happens all the time. If not to the gun owner then someone else in the house. Sometimes a toddler
 
vegas giants said:
It happens all the time. If not to the gun owner then someone else in the house. Sometimes a toddler
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Wait, I thought you was talking about somebody taking the gun from you and shooting you, not accidents. Pools kill people at the same rate and far more people die from car accidents that firearm accidents.
 
vegas giants said:
Really....its just a form. It's not a big deal
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A form, that records what you own, and becomes a record.

And 4 years later they decide that every type of X gun are banned.

Guess whose going to look at the form?

The Govt jackboots, to take away legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens while the criminals... will still have theirs.

How does that improve safety? Or is "Just a form"?
 
Renae said:
A form, that records what you own, and becomes a record.

And 4 years later they decide that every type of X gun are banned.

Guess whose going to look at the form?

The Govt jackboots, to take away legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens while the criminals... will still have theirs.

How does that improve safety? Or is "Just a form"?
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The mayor and police chief used a form (4473) to find out who owned firearms in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina hit, all in order to help facilitate the confiscation order!
 
JLee1977 said:
Some of the mass shooter have acquired their firearms legally.
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The great bulk of them have as illustrated

However mass shooting account a tiny fraction of the over all firearm related deaths.
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And those numbers are skyrocketing. In other countries people tend to care about such things and demand government action be taken to curb such violence

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We weren't talking about mass shooters though, you asked me when cars had been used for murdering people, I provided you with the Nice France terrorist attack where a guy used a cargo truck to kill 87 people and injure 434. You claimed that that many people die a day by firearms.
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Thats right . They do

87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising

Not so fast! Your claim depends on cities with the same population of Nice France. There are cities with similar populations, that have strict gun control law but have higher gun related deaths. There are also cities with similar populations with lax gun laws that have less gun related deaths. The gun deaths that happen daily have nothing to do legally obtained firearm, and those death are gang on gang shootings. I don't expect a person who doesn't live in this country to understand our culture or our firearms laws. The lawlessness of a few people should never negate the lawfulness of the many!
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If that were so then why were more than half of your police officers gunned down since 2000 killed by legal gun owners ?
 
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flogger said:
The great bulk of them have as illustrated
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As do those in the UK. The statistic means nothing.


And those numbers are skyrocketing. In other countries people tend to care about such things and demand government action be taken to curb such violence
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From the source of your graph:

"The information collected for the Stanford MSA is limited to online resources. An initial intensive investigation was completed looking back over existing online reports to fill in the historic record going back to 1966. Contemporary records come in as new events occur and are cross referenced against a number of online reporting sources. In general a minimum of three corroborating sources are required to add the full record into the MSA (as many as 6 or 7 sources may have been consulted in many cases). All sources for each event are listed in the data.


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It is important to note the records in the Stanford MSA span a time from well before the advent of online media reporting, through its infancy, to the modern era of web based news and information resources. Researchers using this database need to be aware of the reporting bias these changes in technology present. A spike in incidents for recent years is likely due to increased online reporting and not necessarily indicative of the rate of mass shootings alone."

https://library.stanford.edu/projects/mass-shootings-america

Other data sources for mass shootings

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

Thats right . They do

87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising
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Which are about 2/3 suicides, giving the US an intentional death rate under Finland, Russia, Japan and South Korea.

If that were so then why were more than half of your police officers gunned down since 2000 killed by legal gun owners ?
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You're really willing to put your name on this claim again, even though I showed you that the claim came from an Australian source about police deaths in Australia?
 
Renae said:
A form, that records what you own, and becomes a record.

And 4 years later they decide that every type of X gun are banned.

Guess whose going to look at the form?

The Govt jackboots, to take away legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens while the criminals... will still have theirs.

How does that improve safety? Or is "Just a form"?
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Relax....they have registration in Canada and no more confiscation than we do
 
vegas giants said:
Relax....they have registration in Canada and no more confiscation than we do
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"Let us not hear that (registration) is a prelude to the confiscation by the government of hunting rifles and shotguns," Canadian Justice Minister Allan Rock said in Clintonesque tones on Feb. 16, 1995. "There is no reason to confiscate legally owned firearms."
Ten months after Rock's remarks, Parliament passed the Canadian Firearms Act, and confiscating legally owned firearms is precisely the first thing the new law did. The first of three major provisions to go into effect banned private ownership of well more than half of Canada's legally registered pistols. Any handgun of .32 or .25 caliber and any handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.14") or less--more than 553,000 legally registered handguns--became illegal with the stroke of a pen.

Pistol owners, of course, had been promised that registration would never lead to confiscation when Canada's national handgun registry was enacted in 1934. When the newer law passed five years ago, they were given three options: sell their handguns to any dealer or individual legally qualified to buy them (not a real option because the number of potential buyers was so small); render them inoperable; or surrender them to the government without compensation.
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20000215/canada-where-gun-registration-equals-c

Might want to actually understand history before trying to use it.
 
vegas giants said:
Like I said no more confiscation than we have. We confiscate late model fully auto weapons
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Yeah, there is no need for the form, nor is it the Governments business to know what firearms I own.
 
flogger said:
So go knock yourself out with them if thats your bag !

I was never much of a BDSM fan myself :lol:
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Seems like you are. Given your preference for chains and slavery over freedom.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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flogger said:
You guys don't do yourselves any favours on the credibility front do you ? Get back to me once you've researched what the term 'per capita' means :lamo
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I am aware of what it means. I'm also aware of the limitations of per capita analysis and how it distorts overall figures. Especially when one cannot contextualize things like drops in overall numbers in spite of increasing populations or vice versa. It leaves me wondering if you took statistics in college? Did you?




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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vegas giants said:
Why is he not allowed to have an opinion?
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He absolutely IS. As long as his nation allows it anyway. Just remember. His perspective is quite flawed because he doesn't understand that the United States has accurate data collection vs other nations on this particular topic. He also refuses to acknowledge things differences in socioeconomics, drug laws, and even 4th amendment protections.

See. He claims WE are flag waiving. But the reality here is that he is just flag burning. He doesn't like American laws because he doesn't understand them. He doesn't understand freedom like we do. Take free speech. He thinks he has it. But they have limitations on hate speech. Sound free to you as an American? Probably not.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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blackjack50 said:
He absolutely IS. As long as his nation allows it anyway. Just remember. His perspective is quite flawed because he doesn't understand that the United States has accurate data collection vs other nations on this particular topic. He also refuses to acknowledge things differences in socioeconomics, drug laws, and even 4th amendment protections.

See. He claims WE are flag waiving. But the reality here is that he is just flag burning. He doesn't like American laws because he doesn't understand them. He doesn't understand freedom like we do. Take free speech. He thinks he has it. But they have limitations on hate speech. Sound free to you as an American? Probably not.
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I understand American laws and I don't like everyone of them either. Neither do you. To attack his nationality is laughable if he is well versed in the subject matter which he clearly he. It is just an attack by some that have run out of argument and want to make it personal. Its ridiculous
 
vegas giants said:
Just a LITTLE hyperbole there I would say. Chains and slavery? LOL
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Yes. Obviously. He is from the United Kingdom. I am making a statement using a reference to one of the most important speeches in American history. It was specifically hyperbolic rhetoric AGAINST the British. Maybe you have heard of it? Patrick Henry's speech to the Virginia Continental congress? It is quite deliberate for 2 reasons.

1) He doesn't get it. My guess? He hasn't heard that speech ever. MAYBE. But I doubt it.

2) It is a reference to the very reason we need to resist things like gun control. And why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place. So now to Gauge your response...I must ask you a simple question and we MIGHT have an actual honest discussion (I can't have one with flogger as he is militantly anti gun). You still have a chance.

Do you support total bans on firearms?




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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