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Its Just a FORM nonsense

vegas giants said:
Some of us served our country durin war time to fight for those freedoms while some others sat at home
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Sorry, been there, done that, got the combat patch, threw away to brown t-shirts. You don't have to fight in a war to fight for freedom and justice either, home biscuit.
 
BretJ said:
So you claim no one on either side of the aisle wants to enforce laws....then you suggest we pass more laws....:cuckoo:
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Take it up with the gop
 
Rucker61 said:
Sorry, been there, done that, got the combat patch, threw away to brown t-shirts. You don't have to fight in a war to fight for freedom and justice either, home biscuit.
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Was I talking to you?
 
vegas giants said:
Sorry yes it is
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Well there's you, and there's the entire Department of Justice and 55 Colorado sheriffs who say otherwise. Given that you still can't grasp the legal intricacies is a straw purchase, I'm going to take my advice on that from them.
 
Rucker61 said:
Well there's you, and there's the entire Department of Justice and 55 Colorado sheriffs who say otherwise. Given that you still can't grasp the legal intricacies is a straw purchase, I'm going to take my advice on that from them.
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The DOJ said it was enforceable with registration. You lose. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
The DOJ said it was enforceable with registration. You lose. Lol
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Registration, which we don't have. That means that right now it is not enforceable. We will never have comprehensive registration, so it will never be enforceable.
 
Rucker61 said:
Registration, which we don't have. That means that right now it is not enforceable. We will never have comprehensive registration, so it will never be enforceable.
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Never? That is hilarious.
 
vegas giants said:
Trump could do it all by himself. He won't. Lol
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Not until we get out from under the last Administration's last budget, and that still won't ensure that states and cities won't enforce local laws. Feds can't do much about that, if the existence of sanctuary cities are an indication.

If you think Trump is GOP, you haven't been paying attention.
 
Rucker61 said:
Not until we get out from under the last Administration's last budget, and that still won't ensure that states and cities won't enforce local laws. Feds can't do much about that, if the existence of sanctuary cities are an indication.

If you think Trump is GOP, you haven't been paying attention.
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Trump could start tomorrow. Tomorrow. That is a fact
 
vegas giants said:
Trump hates your plan. Lol
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Do you understand why gun control laws go unenforced? Why simple age restrictions and straw purchases and failed background checks are never reviewed?

There are too many people. Sheer volume. And then there is the fact that local law enforcement doesn't have the ability or legal capacity. I am not sure which. But let me put it to you this way. And I will use a personal experience compared to a famous one.

The newtown shooter went to purchase a firearm. He was DENIED. The system worked. And he was denied because he was mentally adjudicated and declared a risk. He was NOT allowed to purchase through due process. Excellent example of how and why someone should be banned that WAS ALSO constitutional. But what happened after? Was anyone notified? Did the local sheriff get a call? Was there an officer handling that? Did anyone in the area even have a section that COULD be notified? And before you suggest that that is possible...let me share MY experience of being denied.

The second firearm purchase I went to make in my life...but the first I went to make alone without family there...was for a little .380 pistol. I had cash in hand and even purchased the ammo and accessories from the establishment for other firearms. I was a "regular" because they sold the ammo and so on that I liked and had good advice. Well I went to fill out the forms. Did every box. Did everything as normal. Handed it in. But was denied. When I was informed I was denied...I was embarrassed and surprised. But it was hardly an unusual error. I had put my new address on the form.

My license? Still my old address. My home where I had lived for 20 something years. Just a mix up. An error on my part that I hadn't considered and didn't even cross my mind. Not an error I will make again. Had nothing to do with my legal ability to purchase. Not a danger. Not a criminal record. Just an error. Do you realize how many of these and how long these would take to actually investigate? I would minimum have to get a phone call right? Maybe just a record check? But all of that requires man hours. Someone you pay around $28,000 to $34,000 a year to actually review if you are hiring poorly educated non LEO parties to investigate.

I know. It seems melodramatic. Seems like a worthwhile expenditure right? But then you factor in what happens when someone is caught WITH an illegal firearm. Or they kill someone. There are plea deals or more important chargers to deal with. Those charges take a back seat. And how did these scumbags get their guns? Well. Stolen. About 30% of the time. Or someone bought the gun illegally FOR them. Maybe a girlfriend or a family member. Can you prove that in a court of law? Good luck. "They stole it." Hell. Ever tried getting someone to admit fault in an insurance related incident JUST for a low dollar amount under $1000? I have. Good ****ing luck. Now make some real consequences BEYOND a reasonable doubt.

Do you dig what I am burying? This isn't a simple issue. Saying "it is just a form" and then pretending that a form is easy to enforce? Not realistic. It is a bag of cats. A form and "emergency legislation" is a pipe dream that won't fix the problem. 90% of the problem is going to be solved by dealing with violent crime issues and drug crime. Our efforts are best spent on proven "wholistic" methods of controlling crime.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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BretJ said:
Incredibly happy....

We have already shown your concern for lives is pretty blind when it comes to your own freedoms. You know how to stop needless deaths and violent assaults but won't. Ein bahn...
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Well our gun control keeps our murder rate at a fifth of yours so I guess we must have got something right :wink:
 
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