Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge

[Chomsky]

Italy will expand the lockdown of the Lombardy region to the entire country, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said Monday.

People throughout the country should not leave their homes other than for work or emergencies, Conte said.

He added that all public gatherings will be banned and sporting events suspended.

Schools and universities all over the country will remain closed until April 3, he said, but public transit will remain operational. All schools in the country were previously closed until March 15.

He also said all restaurants and bars across the country will have to close at 6 p.m.

Source: (CNBC) Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge

Italy is really raising the bar on virus counter-measures. And a 6:00P business curfew? Quite contrary to the Italian love of evening strolling & socializing!

Will other countries follow suit? Will we? Hopefully not!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hmm... is COVID-19 more contagious after 6PM?

 

[Lutherf]

Source: (CNBC) Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge

Italy is really raising the bar on virus counter-measures. And a 6:00P business curfew? Quite contrary to the Italian love of evening strolling & socializing!

Will other countries follow suit? Will we? Hopefully not!

No pizza in the piazza for anyone any more! The hysteria is getting out of hand.

 

[Hamish Howl]

If Italy is canceling soccer, then this is actually serious.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Hmm... is COVID-19 more contagious after 6PM?

Obviously, it is to discourage large indoor gatherings of people eating out in restaurants, since this is supposed to be one of the most likely opportunities to get infected. Think of it: it's enough to have one food preparation worker contaminated with the virus back in the kitchen, or one waitress, and suddenly the whole group of people eating out there are exposed.

This virus is twice as infectious as the flu and there is no immunity to it, so it spreads fast.

Italy with an aging population has been particularly hard hit, so they are panicking and adopting extreme measures.

Over here, this would be both impractical (given the size and population of our country) and impossible (lawsuits would pop up all over the place to bring down the lockdown) so I expect that we'll have more trouble containing this thing here, than Italy.

 

[Napoleon]

Obviously, it is to discourage large indoor gatherings of people eating out in restaurants, since this is supposed to be one of the most likely opportunities to get infected. Think of it: it's enough to have one food preparation worker contaminated with the virus back in the kitchen, or one waitress, and suddenly the whole group of people eating out there are exposed.

This virus is twice as infectious as the flu and there is no immunity to it, so it spreads fast.

Italy with an aging population has been particularly hard hit, so they are panicking and adopting extreme measures.

Over here, this would be both impractical (given the size and population of our country) and impossible (lawsuits would pop up all over the place to bring down the lockdown) so I expect that we'll have more trouble containing this thing here, than Italy.

The reason China has been able to bring the spread of the virus under control - and is thus far the only country to do so - is because they implemented mandatory quarantine, nationwide travel bans, and mobilized tens of thousands of healthcare workers around the country. Size and population aren’t the issue. The issue is the US is a nation of morons who would literally rather be dead than spend 14 days in quarantine and live with travel restrictions.

 

[JANFU]

Source: (CNBC) Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge

Italy is really raising the bar on virus counter-measures. And a 6:00P business curfew? Quite contrary to the Italian love of evening strolling & socializing!

Will other countries follow suit? Will we? Hopefully not!

Who knows has fast it is spreading the US??

Italy had no choice, strict containment or their HC system craters, and that would make it worse

Was reading this earlier. May find it interesting

Iran's Coronavirus Problem Is a Lot Worse Than It Seems - The Atlantic

 

[Mach]

No pizza in the piazza for anyone any more! The hysteria is getting out of hand.

Quarantines based on controlling the outbreak, are hysteria?

Your reaction to everything coronovirus looks like the hysteria. Well, that and the toilet paper barons.

The reality is that a comprehensive government response that helps limit the spread. Didn't they control SARS pretty well? MERS? Why weren't you calling the effective control of the spread of those hysteria, and not "effective limitation of a contagious virus? It's not. It's just what you do to help prevent the spread. Big ****ing deal. The panic is people buying up toilet paper, masks, etc.

It's also good that we exercise this in a case where it's not a really terrible virus. Imagine if we never went through these things, and then had a crazy contagious/fatal epidemic...we'd be ruined.

 

[calamity]

Source: (CNBC) Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge

Italy is really raising the bar on virus counter-measures. And a 6:00P business curfew? Quite contrary to the Italian love of evening strolling & socializing!

Will other countries follow suit? Will we? Hopefully not!

I see nothing to be gained with a quarantine which says, "Stay home, but go to work."

 

[Barnacle]

The reason China has been able to bring the spread of the virus under control - and is thus far the only country to do so - is because they implemented mandatory quarantine, nationwide travel bans, and mobilized tens of thousands of healthcare workers around the country. Size and population aren’t the issue. The issue is the US is a nation of morons who would literally rather be dead than spend 14 days in quarantine and live with travel restrictions.

The reason China has been able to bring the spread of the virus "under control" is ... because towards the end of February they changed the reporting guidelines.

‘Confusion breeds distrust:’ China keeps changing how it counts coronavirus cases
'''Confusion breeds distrust:''' China keeps changing how it counts coronavirus cases

Scientists question China’s decision not to report symptom-free coronavirus cases
Scientists question China’s decision not to report symptom-free coronavirus cases

The Chinese province at the heart of the coronavirus outbreak changes how it counts cases—again
China'''s Hubei province changes how it counts coronavirus cases | Fortune

"... But the country earned a C- on sharing epidemiological data on the disease, such as the number of ill people and their clinical symptoms. "They changed their case definitions [the criteria used for diagnosing the disease], and people just didn't have confidence in the data that they were reporting," ..."
China gets 'mixed report card' in its coronavirus response. How will the US do? | Live Science

 

[Cardinal]

I have friends in Italy. This is really hard on them.

 

[trouble13]

Source: (CNBC) Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge

Italy is really raising the bar on virus counter-measures. And a 6:00P business curfew? Quite contrary to the Italian love of evening strolling & socializing!

Will other countries follow suit? Will we? Hopefully not!

Do you advocate suspending allbpolitical campaigns and rallies indefinitely? Why or why not?

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[trouble13]

Quarantines based on controlling the outbreak, are hysteria?

Your reaction to everything coronovirus looks like the hysteria. Well, that and the toilet paper barons.

The reality is that a comprehensive government response that helps limit the spread. Didn't they control SARS pretty well? MERS? Why weren't you calling the effective control of the spread of those hysteria, and not "effective limitation of a contagious virus? It's not. It's just what you do to help prevent the spread. Big ****ing deal. The panic is people buying up toilet paper, masks, etc.

It's also good that we exercise this in a case where it's not a really terrible virus. Imagine if we never went through these things, and then had a crazy contagious/fatal epidemic...we'd be ruined.

How far are you talking about taking this?

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[Simon W. Moon]

Source: (CNBC) Italy expands its quarantine to the entire country as coronavirus cases and deaths surge
Italy is really raising the bar on virus counter-measures. And a 6:00P business curfew? Quite contrary to the Italian love of evening strolling & socializing!
Will other countries follow suit? Will we? Hopefully not!

But what if you work at a place of public gathering?

 

[trouble13]

I see nothing to be gained with a quarantine which says, "Stay home, but go to work."

I think its prudent to suggest to people to voluntarily limit their contact with others until we better understand what we are dealing with.

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[Simon W. Moon]

No pizza in the piazza for anyone any more! The hysteria is getting out of hand.

I heard Italy's only doing this to get at Trump and make Trump look bad.

 

[Lutherf]

Quarantines based on controlling the outbreak, are hysteria?

Your reaction to everything coronovirus looks like the hysteria. Well, that and the toilet paper barons.

The reality is that a comprehensive government response that helps limit the spread. Didn't they control SARS pretty well? MERS? Why weren't you calling the effective control of the spread of those hysteria, and not "effective limitation of a contagious virus? It's not. It's just what you do to help prevent the spread. Big ****ing deal. The panic is people buying up toilet paper, masks, etc.

It's also good that we exercise this in a case where it's not a really terrible virus. Imagine if we never went through these things, and then had a crazy contagious/fatal epidemic...we'd be ruined.

If this was an Ebola outbreak I could understand the quarantine. Hell, if it was Measles I could understand it. It's freaking coronavirus and it's no more deadly than the flu. Shutting down a whole country over it is absurd.

 

[Lutherf]

I heard Italy's only doing this to get at Trump and make Trump look bad.

I don't know. It's way, WAY out in the nutso end of the spectrum. Even here we have people buying Costco out of water and TP. I mean, seriously, it's not that big a problem.

 

[Gondwanaland]

If this was an Ebola outbreak I could understand the quarantine. Hell, if it was Measles I could understand it. It's freaking coronavirus and it's no more deadly than the flu. Shutting down a whole country over it is absurd.

It's more deadly than the flu, ESPECIALLY in elderly folks.
How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu.

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%.

Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%, according to the China CDC Weekly study. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 have been reported.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Who knows has fast it is spreading the US?

I heard virus spread exponentially.
ie The longer it spreads, the more quickly it spreads.
until w/e saturation is of course

I think the hope is that our medical resources catch up before we hit saturation.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I don't know. It's way, WAY out in the nutso end of the spectrum. Even here we have people buying Costco out of water and TP. I mean, seriously, it's not that big a problem.

What do you think about all the craziness China has done and is doing?
More disproportional freak-out?

 

[JANFU]

I heard virus spread exponentially.
ie The longer it spreads, the more quickly it spreads.
until w/e saturation is of course

I think the hope is that our medical resources catch up before we hit saturation.

Lockdowns are the only thing that will slow and contain the virus

Iran is seen as having a major outbreak, not providing accurate numbers.

Some think the outbreak there is massive, and with little HC facilities- stadd- medicines
Iran's Coronavirus Problem Is a Lot Worse Than It Seems - The Atlantic

 

[JANFU]

What do you think about all the craziness China has done and is doing?
More disproportional freak-out?

Take off on an old saying
You can lead a man to knowledge but you cannot make him think

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Lockdowns are the only thing that will slow and contain the virus
Iran is seen as having a major outbreak, not providing accurate numbers.
Some think the outbreak there is massive, and with little HC facilities- stadd- medicines
Iran's Coronavirus Problem Is a Lot Worse Than It Seems - The Atlantic

It looks like the cardinal sin was not motivating and engaging the public right away.

Iran tried to downplay the risks to re-assure.
This allowed the virus to spread unabated for a longer period.
Exponential expansion means the earlier the intervention the better by orders of magnitude.

 

[Lovebug]

No pizza in the piazza for anyone any more! The hysteria is getting out of hand.

Salami, don't forget the salami